CONFIRMED: Jeff Gerstmann was fired from GS due to reviews - SW Magazine

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#1 Willy105
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LIVE from System Wars this is

SYSTEM WARS THE MAGAZINE


JEFF GERSTMANN EXPLAINS WHY HE WAS FIRED FROM GAMESPOT

Willy:

Jeff Gerstmann returned to Gamespot offices today after Giant Bomb was bought by CBS (Gamespot's parent company) in part to explain why he was terminated from Gamespot.

After many years of using a complicated and elaborate mathematical review score system, Jeff Gerstmann decided to implement the modern scoring system Gamespot uses today, which featured half point intervals. However, a side effect of this new scoring system was that the average scores of games went down by a full point, which upset many publishers who advertise on the site.

After Ratchet and Clank Future recieved a disapointing score, Jeff (as Editor, he stood by the score) was approached by Gamespot's business management to discuss why the score was so low. This is common in gaming websites, even happening as far back in the 90's with PS1 games, back when Gamespot was an independent website. However, the Gamespot managerial team (which was new at the time) was not used to these advertising issues.

Problems kept increasing after the Ratchet and Clank review, culminating with Jeff's Kane and Lynch review, which resulted in Eidos pulling out their advertising from Gamespot. This was NOT the reason for Jeff's termination, as it was theorized before.

However, the managerial team could not trust Jeff, so they fired him on November 28, 2007.


CBS INTERACTIVE BUYS GIANTBOMB.COM

Willy:

Jeff Gerstmann announced today that Gamespot's parent company CBS has acquired both Giant Bomb and Comic Vine. Giant Bomb, a gaming site that was founded by former Gamespot staff after Jeff was fired on November 28, 2007, became a very popular site for a lot of old-school Gamespot members, which had over a million visitors from the US, and over two million globally.

Jeff was a "founding father" of Gamespot, he has been with the site since 1996; however, this does NOT mean that Gamespot and Giant Bomb will merge. If anything, the new deal will help Giant Bomb, it will allow them to show less intrusive ads and have better technical support behind them.

Jeff built up a very unique reputation in System Wars with his controversial reviews; such as giving Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 a perfect score, while flopping Zelda: Twilight Princess with an 8.8. The latter score got death threats from Nintendo fans. You could almost argue he was the original Tom McShea.

It has been theorized that Jeff was fired from Gamespot after he gave a negative review of Kane and Lynch, which was posted at the same time as the game was being advertised on Gamespot. Whether the theories were true or not, he will disclose the exact reasons for his termination at 4 PM PST today.

JEFF GERSTMANN WILL BE APPEARING LIVE HERE TODAY, DISCUSSING HIS TERMINATION AND RETURN TO GAMESPOT OFFICES

Original Announcement of the Aquisition

Original Announcement of Gerstmann's firing from Gamespot


PAST ISSUES:

SW Magazine Issue #3 - Posted a month after Jeff was fired

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#2 lbjkurono23
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edit*** remember to read the op first. :P

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How will he fair on the reviews of the next Mario and Zelda games?

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#4 enzyme36
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so is this week game journalism Free Agency week as well??

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How will he fair on the reviews of the next Mario and Zelda games?

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Hopefully he stamps them with 5's and 4's =D
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Cool story. Hope they make another Kane and Lynch soon.
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#7 lbjkurono23
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so is this week game journalism Free Agency week as well??

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More like trade deadline. :P
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#8 enzyme36
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[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

so is this week game journalism Free Agency week as well??

lbjkurono23

More like trade deadline. :P

ahhh yes... so did Giant Bomb get McShea?

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#9 bobcheeseball
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Should be interesting to hear.
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="enzyme36"]

so is this week game journalism Free Agency week as well??

enzyme36

More like trade deadline. :P

ahhh yes... so did Giant Bomb get McShea?

I hope not, we need Mcshea and his badass reviews.
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#11 Kaze_no_Mirai
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I'm really looking forward to this :D I still remember how nuts SW was during the TP and K&L reviews and when he left GameSpot. Could be cool to have him back
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#12 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

How will he fair on the reviews of the next Mario and Zelda games?

lbjkurono23
Hopefully he stamps them with 5's and 4's =D

Considering GameSpot's bias against Zelda and Nintendo in general I wouldn't be surprised...
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Interesting. I dont visit Giantbomb too much but they definitely have the best gaming podcast
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Sounds cray.
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#15 EPaul
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Hmm..... interesting

with Jeff and Mc Shea the opportunities for lulz will be doubled

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#16 Eponique
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Better not review Kid Icarus :x

Edit: Oh wait he's still a part of GB lol. Sheep are safe.

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It has been theorized that Jeff was fired from Gamespot after he gave a negative review of Kane and Lynch, which was posted at the same time as the game was being advertised on Gamespot. Whether the theories were true or not, he will disclose the exact reasons for his termination at 4 PM PST today. Willy105

i'm very curious about this part.

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#18 finalstar2007
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Who da f*** is this guy again?

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#19 Eponique
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Who da F*** is this guy again?

finalstar2007
Tom McShea x 1000000.
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#20 Kaze_no_Mirai
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Who da f*** is this guy again?

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Part of the original GameSpot staff. Gave TP an 8.8 and was pretty controversial :P
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#21 johny300
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Who da f*** is this guy again?

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He's Tom Mcshea's Twin.
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#22 Chutebox
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People really care about this?

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Who da F*** is this guy again?

Eponique

Tom McShea x 1000000.

It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

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#24 Ringx55
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This stream better be on GS after it's done. I can't watch it live :(
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#25 Eponique
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It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

Pikminmaniac

Yeah apologies to McShea.

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#26 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

Eponique

Yeah apologies to McShea.

Hey, Gerstmann gave the game an 8.8; but McShea gave it a 7.5.
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#27 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Who da F*** is this guy again?

Tom McShea x 1000000.

It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

this, jeff isnt a 360 fanboy like Tmac, his mario sunshine review of 8 and 8.8 twighlight princess is what pissed off alot of sheep. sunshine review pissed me off at 1st until i played the game and realized why he was dissapoint, because it wasnt like mario 64.
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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"] Tom McShea x 1000000. PinnacleGamingP

It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

this, jeff isnt a 360 fanboy like Tmac, his mario sunshine review of 8 and 8.8 twighlight princess is what pissed off alot of sheep. sunshine review pissed me off at 1st until i played the game and realized why he was dissapoint, because it wasnt like mario 64.

tom reviewed the first infamous and gave it a higher score than the metacritic average. not the work of a 360 fanboy.

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#29 Shinobishyguy
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People really care about this?

Chutebox
I still son't understand why so many people put this man on a pedestal
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#30 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

It's an insult to relate Gerstman to Mcshea... It really is

this, jeff isnt a 360 fanboy like Tmac, his mario sunshine review of 8 and 8.8 twighlight princess is what pissed off alot of sheep. sunshine review pissed me off at 1st until i played the game and realized why he was dissapoint, because it wasnt like mario 64.

tom reviewed the first infamous and gave it a higher score than the metacritic average. not the work of a 360 fanboy.

he also reviewed the very similar, and better infamous 2 and it, well, seemed to make him like it, less. 7.5 kinda less.
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#31 RoslindaleOne
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Jeff gave Halo 3 a 9.5. Lemming confirmed. [spoiler] :roll: [/spoiler]

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#32 TecmoGirl
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So this is what a man of journalistic integrity looks like?...

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#33 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

People really care about this?

Shinobishyguy
I still son't understand why so many people put this man on a pedestal

It was a big deal in the gaming industry when he was fired, and he was like the head of state of Gamespot while he was here.
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#34 PinnacleGamingP
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Jeff gave Halo 3 a 9.5. Lemming confirmed.

RoslindaleOne

halo games will get above 9 regardless of what site or who reviews them even tho the games are more 5-6. microsoft pays alot of "incentives" to reviewers and i heard they threat to boycott sites with early copies and news.

if they had multiple games like sony does, and not just a couple, it wouldnt matter much to them, but this is all they got, even bungie left it and they still wanna milk it cuz thats all they got. 360 got no game.

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#35 Shinobishyguy
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so does this mean that the giant bomb crew is gonna start reviewing for GS, or will they still be in their own site?

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#36 Arach666
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so does this mean that the giant bomb crew is gonna start reviewing for GS, or will they still be in their own site?Shinobishyguy
GB will still be GB,they´re moving back to the building where GS is located but that doesn´t mean they will merge.

Though they might do some colaborations here and there,just like they did with the folks of the other WM sites.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

People really care about this?

Willy105
I still son't understand why so many people put this man on a pedestal

It was a big deal in the gaming industry when he was fired, and he was like the head of state of Gamespot while he was here.

Yeah, a lot of member detracted from here too.
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#38 Ringx55
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So it because of Kane and Lynch and R&C: TOD... interesting.
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#39 PinnacleGamingP
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so does this mean that the giant bomb crew is gonna start reviewing for GS, or will they still be in their own site?

Shinobishyguy
doesnt mean anything except now microsoft now has more influence on GB as well as GS.
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#40 Willy105
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so does this mean that the giant bomb crew is gonna start reviewing for GS, or will they still be in their own site?

Shinobishyguy
Giant Bomb will stay the same, Gamespot will stay the same. The difference is that the Giant Bomb crew will be working from the same offices as Gamespot is, so you will see Jeff and the crew use the same set as the Gamespot guys do.
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#41 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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I only started posting here properly like a year and a half ago maybe 2 years and all this stuff is going WAY over my head lol All this talk suddenly about GS and GB and I had no idea what was happening. Now it's a little more clear

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#42 Animal-Mother
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Wasn't this confirmed ages ago?

I mean it's not like you need to see or gain evidence to know he was pulled from the site due reviews.

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#43 Slow_Show
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I don't know why everyone thinks GB and GS are actually going to stay separate. Bean counters aren't going to look at a speadsheet that shows CBS's two vaguely different but separate gaming sites are based out of the same building and say "yep, this is a sound financial arrangement with no potential for cost-savings".

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After Jeff gave Ratchet and Clank Future a disapointing score, he was approached by at the time's Gamespot business management to discuss why the score was so low.

Willy105

He didn't review R&CF unless you are saying they approached him beecause he was the boss of the review team or something like that?

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#45 Eponique
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People who think GB will stay the same are deluding themselves. GS basically admitted they take advertising money to prop up scores. GS is a part of CBS, so why won't CBS implement the same rules on GB, which as far as we know doesn't take ad-money to prop up scores?
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#46 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]

After Jeff gave Ratchet and Clank Future a disapointing score, he was approached by at the time's Gamespot business management to discuss why the score was so low.

Wanderer5

He didn't review R&CF unless you are saying they approached him beecause he was the boss of the review team or something like that?

Yep. Jeff explained that although he didn't review it, as the Editor he stood by it and had to defend it when the boss approached him.
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#47 sneslover
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GB will stay the same, and that's good, the GS crew now kinda sucks. Only Justin Calvert is good.

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#48 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

People really care about this?

Shinobishyguy

I still son't understand why so many people put this man on a pedestal

Lemmings mostly because of dah Gearz and dah Haloz.

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It'd be awesome if he posted here. :P
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#50 Slashless
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It'd be awesome if he posted here. :PStevo_the_gamer
Maybe I should send him one of my "letters: ;D