[QUOTE="spfx30"]Thanks for clarifying to me the difference between "forfeit" and "vacate". :) At any rate, though, I still must disagree with FSU's standing regarding this issue. You are correct in stating that the Seminoles highly value continuing the "battle" for most wins between Paterno and Bowden. However, that's just my point. It is utterly ridiculous that FSU so highly values the aforementioned contest, that they firmly believe it should nullify any sort of athletic punishment(s). Okay, so the university academically punished all of the known offenders. Great, but big deal. Some of the offending students may still have participated in athletic contests, and that renders all the academic punishments pointless. Because, it supports the notion that, "Well hey, I can cheat but still play games."
If the NCAA does nothing in the wake of this whole mess, that ideology will only prosper. :|
ShuLordLiuPei
FSU already punished itself. The players were suspended, the team went of probabation, and we got rid of scholarships. The NCAA added the punishments of vacating the wins. The coaching staff likely had no knowledge that the tutor gave them answers, or they would have suspended the players before.Many FSU fans are happy about the vacated wins, though. Some of them don't care about the Bowden vs Paterno record, but they see Bowden as a coach past his time. Most of the FSU fans I've talked to online would rather have Jimbo Fisher as the head coach, so FSU can "return". Personally I'd love to see Bowden have the record over Paterno before he goes.
But this thing reaches past football. The NCAA took away FSU's track National Championship, and got rid of all of the runner's records.
Response to first bolded statement: Again, it's commendable that FSU went to those lengths. However, as I mentioned, it still holds no effect on the offending players. Because, the simple fact that the wins remain is proof to the ineligible athletes that, although suspensions and such were handed out, their contributions before the suspensions still count. That's not a good example to set for future prospects. :|
Response to second bolded statement: Well honestly, that's on the coaches. I understand they cannot and will not hold their players' hands every step of the way and watch their lives like hawks, but they are still responsible for keeping tabs on their academic performance and making sure that the grades are where they need to be. That's the whole point of the term "student-athletes". And this scenario is exactly the kind that perterbs JoePa and other individuals who value academics over athletics: people (the coaches, students, teachers, and such) get so wrapped up into the athletic side of things, that academics start to fall by the wayside and after a while, no one has a clue who's doing well and who's not. But really, no one then cares, because it's all about how well the kids do in the sports, right? :roll:
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