Is Square-Enix TIRED of the classic RPG Battles??!!!:(

Looking back to FFXI, FFXII for PS2 and FFXII revenant wings battle system :?, Thing have changed a lot since the last rpg with ATB(Active time battle).

I mean originally in RPG´s games you had to wait between actions, you just selected the action and then wait for the characther(s) to do the action. This was someway callled ATB system, PLus, when you were selecting the actioins none enemy could attack you (wait mode) or it could actually attack you (active).

In FFXI and FFXII, Square Eni changed the system to ADB (active Decisive Battle), where enemies were around the map and you could actually attack  them like in a real time battle :P.

And in RW well, as far as i read have similarities to FFXII, plus a new way of using summons :?.

The question is, Do you think Square Enix got tired of the classic RPG´s gameplay or is this the....evolution... where RPG games tend to go? :?.

For me at the begining I though they got tired and wanted to create new process, but after reading about other RPG games, specially online games, I think is just the way RPG games will evolve, with better graphics, real time fights and many other things :P

Well no, they are not tired, they know somethings has to change!TheForgotten0ne

Well like people change, videogames change too...well all the world changes permanently :P. At the begining i didnt like too much FFXII´s battle system, but I accepted it later. But even do i accepted it, I think Im with the people who liked more the old calssic rpg style. Well if Square Enix is not tired, then it must be feeling the preasure of the evolution on gmaing :P

If you want to get technical, FFXII has a form of the ATB system. IT is modified and updated to be much more fluent by gettign rid of random battles, thereby making it more seemless and BETTERfs_metal

Indeed FFXII has been updated, technichally  ts different, but they could have updated the graphics in the old ATB :P. Well I dont think it could have been the same though.

Oh my God! YOU'RE asgreeing with me? Call Ripley. He won't believe this :Pfs_metal

WEll there is always a first time :P 

but this is a good thing because, do you really want the same battle system?

i love 12 battle system because it suprised all the fanboys with its greatness and 13 all i can express my feelings towards the battle system is omfg, thats my opinion, i like the change 

but this is a good thing because, do you really want the same battle system?

i love 12 battle system because it suprised all the fanboys with its greatness and 13 all i can express my feelings towards the battle system is omfg, thats my opinion, i like the change

Linkz0r

Even do the change, created mixed reactions between fans, it was teh average amount of players that dont like the changes, Square Exni did a huge step in FFXII, and XIII will be a word of another world :)  

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]If you want to get technical, FFXII has a form of the ATB system. IT is modified and updated to be much more fluent by gettign rid of random battles, thereby making it more seemless and BETTERangelbless

Indeed FFXII has been updated, technichally ts different, but they could have updated the graphics in the old ATB :P. Well I dont think it could have been the same though.

[QUOTE="Linkz0r"]

but this is a good thing because, do you really want the same battle system?

i love 12 battle system because it suprised all the fanboys with its greatness and 13 all i can express my feelings towards the battle system is omfg, thats my opinion, i like the change

angelbless

Even do the change, created mixed reactions between fans, it was teh average amount of players that dont like the changes, Square Exni did a huge step in FFXII, and XIII will be a word of another world :)  

I liked XII's battle system alot when I got used to it, and I'm excited to see more on how XIII's will work (that is, if I ever get a PS3), but I still like the old battle system alot, as well, and would hate for it to disappear.

Well no, they are not tired, they know somethings has to change!TheForgotten0ne

I blame X2. lol yes they THOUGHT something had to change. From X2 there ATB seemed to disapear from the old random battles. SE might have thought it was getting old. But really FF12 has a feeling like online right no random battles and stuff targeting multiple targets getting attacked by more than one so on. If they keep that up i see no more use in me buying FF. They are trying to add online feel to there offline games making it truly....sad?. With ATB its fun i liked it and best of all it wouldnt really work online. making it somthing to look forward to. but with this new online feel there really is no point in me playing offline when i could just go buy XI or even WOW or somthing. So some things have to change... i feel like they have to change back to there old normal self. Get some good gameplay story and screw the graphics. Ya it looks cool but u cant tell me u rather see realistic people but only a 10 min game with no story what so ever. They should go back to what they were doing in my opinion.

[QUOTE="TheForgotten0ne"]Well no, they are not tired, they know somethings has to change!the_winner30030

I blame X2. lol yes they THOUGHT something had to change. From X2 there ATB seemed to disapear from the old random battles. SE might have thought it was getting old. But really FF12 has a feeling like online right no random battles and stuff targeting multiple targets getting attacked by more than one so on. If they keep that up i see no more use in me buying FF. They are trying to add online feel to there offline games making it truly....sad?. With ATB its fun i liked it and best of all it wouldnt really work online. making it somthing to look forward to. but with this new online feel there really is no point in me playing offline when i could just go buy XI or even WOW or somthing. So some things have to change... i feel like they have to change back to there old normal self. Get some good gameplay story and screw the graphics. Ya it looks cool but u cant tell me u rather see realistic people but only a 10 min game with no story what so ever. They should go back to what they were doing in my opinion.

I agree with you in most of the things, FFXII has a feeling of online game, nad added a realistic real-time game, but it juts avoided the original RPG concept. Thus creating mixed reactions among fans, i dont really know if they will go back to the previous form in fact tehy will add more real -time action to the game. So I tink we will miss the old RPG way in different wyas:cry:

I know I won't miss it at allfs_metal

No? Why not? You sure had good times with it too :P

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]I know I won't miss it at allangelbless

No? Why not? You sure had good times with it too :P

[QUOTE="angelbless"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]I know I won't miss it at allfs_metal

No? Why not? You sure had good times with it too :P

Well actually yes, at some point the become tedious, unless you have a non encounter ability like in FFVIII. But in some point real time actions too become tedious, when you just wan t to run adn they attack you in masses :P, (well after 160 hours anything can become tedious :P) 

Oblivion is playable that long without being tediousfs_metal

It gets a little boring when you have to fight Goblin Warlords, Gloom Wraiths and ogres, they just have so much HP.  Other than that it is perfect. 

Oblivion is playable that long without being tediousfs_metal

Well i cant find to install Oblivion, its just run the begining movie and teh disspapears, must be something bad in my CPU :(

i love oblivion, and we all know darmi does :D

you should really try to install it 

The game is greatness

Give Morrowind a try if Oblivion win't work 

It took the battle system of previous games and eliminated random battles, thus making it all more seamless. No hitches. No loading other screens or any of that. That's all it did, really, apart from making it so that we don't have to heal every 30 freaking seconds. Thank God. I do not miss those mindless prepetitive tasks that the gambit system took care offs_metal

jajajja, yip but this time you just put the Gambits On and you let The game run for itself, with Yiazmat I left the PS2 for 2 hours and they were still battling :?. There is a switch in this FFXII taht makes you participate less in this games :? 

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]It took the battle system of previous games and eliminated random battles, thus making it all more seamless. No hitches. No loading other screens or any of that. That's all it did, really, apart from making it so that we don't have to heal every 30 freaking seconds. Thank God. I do not miss those mindless prepetitive tasks that the gambit system took care ofangelbless

jajajja, yip but this time you just put the Gambits On and you let The game run for itself, with Yiazmat I left the PS2 for 2 hours and they were still battling :?. There is a switch in this FFXII taht makes you participate less in this games :?

[QUOTE="angelbless"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]It took the battle system of previous games and eliminated random battles, thus making it all more seamless. No hitches. No loading other screens or any of that. That's all it did, really, apart from making it so that we don't have to heal every 30 freaking seconds. Thank God. I do not miss those mindless prepetitive tasks that the gambit system took care offs_metal

jajajja, yip but this time you just put the Gambits On and you let The game run for itself, with Yiazmat I left the PS2 for 2 hours and they were still battling :?. There is a switch in this FFXII taht makes you participate less in this games :?

Jajajaj ....lol... Maybe, but it really makes you be more out han in :P

but you do admit, the gambits are very helpful, and i do get what you mean when you say your more out than in, because many people might not want to sit there fighting elite marks pressing buttons over and over, when you can just set them to auto, unless the elite mark turns around and says 'NO YOU NOT FUNNY' and sends some god awful move that abolishs your healer and leaves you for dead, which i think we al agree is not the funniest of situations to get yourself into. but all the otherwise gambits ROCKLinkz0r

Indeed, ...lol .. Gambits were a great  adition to the new type of playing in FFXII, nothing to say about that, In the old RPG games you had to be there to press the buttons and to the actions, aunless you had a party of warriors with a TURBo controller :P

I really don't like the gambits. I agree you participate less... one day they'd probably make a game you could put on auto-pilot and just watch the game play without any strategy.

;l

I really don't like the gambits. I agree you participate less... one day they'd probably make a game you could put on auto-pilot and just watch the game play without any strategy.

;l

SeanN003

:lol:...;P 

[QUOTE="SeanN003"]

I really don't like the gambits. I agree you participate less... one day they'd probably make a game you could put on auto-pilot and just watch the game play without any strategy.

;l

angelbless

:lol:...;P 

Oblivion is playable that long without being tediousfs_metal

your kidding right oblivion is the most tedious game out there(not trying to start war)well thats my opinion.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Oblivion is playable that long without being tediousblademasterx

Ups, I HAVE to install this game, i have heard too much of it :(  Is it erally tedious ?Ups Darmi is going to get mad i think :P

your kidding right oblivion is the most tedious game out there(not trying to start war)well thats my opinion.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Oblivion is playable that long without being tediousblademasterx

OH GOD fs metal shut up i was just stateing a opinion.the comment was not even directed at you jeez.