Zen CPU preview on 13th December, hosted by Geoff Keighley.

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#1 loco145
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Watch New Horizon, hosted by Geoff Keighley, for an exclusive advance preview of our new “Zen” CPU ahead of its 2017 Q1 launch.

See eSports & Evil Geniuses legend PPD put “Zen” through its paces. There’ll be appearances from special guests and giveaways.

This is the first time the public will be able to try it themselves and see what it’s capable of. If you’re serious about gaming, this is an event you do not want to miss.

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How powerful do you expect Zen to be!? Lets not forget that the PS4P is still stuck with puny jaguars.

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Hinting at Zen being in Scorpio?

Nah....

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#3  Edited By madrocketeer  Online
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It will do well if it can match clock-for-clock with Broadwells. I'd be surprised and delighted if I see it go toe-to-toe with Skylakes and Kaby Lakes, but I'm not expecting it.

My plan is still a Kaby Lake upgrade early next year. I don't expect it to change.

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I think they will be competitive, cheaper prices will no longer exist.

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A preview of a freaking CPU core? Beyond nerdy.

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@emgesp:

Eh, AMD could use a bit of hype for a new product. Their recent history has been one cost-cutting restructuring followed by another round of lay-offs. Considering the nature of the console market, their business with Sony and Microsoft most likely did little more than break even. They could really use something to look forward to.

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@madrocketeer said:

It will do well if it can match clock-for-clock with Broadwells. I'd be surprised and delighted if I see it go toe-to-toe with Skylakes and Kaby Lakes, but I'm not expecting it.

My plan is still a Kaby Lake upgrade early next year. I don't expect it to change.

Yep. It looks like Zen will be similar in design to the current Intel chips. Low power design, similar tech to hyper-threading, etc... Hopefully Zen and Kaby are both good and we see price drops across the product lines for the sake of competition.

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Not going to expect anything special from AMD until well after I've seen some rock solid benchmarks from reliable sources. AMD have a habit of, we'll call it, overestimating their new products performance pre-release

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#9  Edited By madrocketeer  Online
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@pyro1245:

Yup, competition is good. Honestly, Intel's entire 14nm gen has been a bit disappointing. I mean, I do appreciate the 200-300 MHz extra clock on Kaby Lake, but the chips are otherwise identical to Skylake, which were only incremental improvements on Broadwell. The recent Kaby Lake benchmarks, admittedly running on Z170 mobos instead of the upcoming 200 series chipsets, reflect this.

So if AMD can come out of nowhere and give Intel a good kick up the backside, I'd be ecstatic. Still not expecting it, but I'd be delighted.

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AMD bout to rekt Gimptel

no more lame 4 cores for $350

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cmon AMD....poke chipzilla with a stick again! man the CPU sector has become a barren wasteland....need some competition.

it doesnt need to smash intels finest (it would be nice if it did but it wont). it just needs to offer excellent bang per buck and a great gaming experience (paired with the right GPU of course). modern games dont need super CPUs. they just need to be good enough.

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#13  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@osan0 said:

cmon AMD....poke chipzilla with a stick again! man the CPU sector has become a barren wasteland....need some competition.

it doesnt need to smash intels finest (it would be nice if it did but it wont). it just needs to offer excellent bang per buck and a great gaming experience (paired with the right GPU of course). modern games dont need super CPUs. they just need to be good enough.

If Zen offers at least Haswell level of performance per clock and come in 4 core 8 thread and 8 core 16 thread flavors on the same standardized socket at lower price than intel's quad and 8 core i7's on two platforms. It will cause Intel to actually price competitively and rethink their two socket platform schemes limiting cpu core counts.

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Zen needs to be at Kaby Lake performance level and 33 percent cheaper to be competitive

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@04dcarraher: that would also be a great CPU in its own right too. i have a haswell i7 in my laptop and there are no games that give it any trouble. its old but its still a beast. ZEN with a similar level of per core performance thats priced well and (in a desktop) with a higher clock would be just dandy for gaming.

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@loco145 said:

Watch New Horizon, hosted by Geoff Keighley, for an exclusive advance preview of our new “Zen” CPU ahead of its 2017 Q1 launch.

See eSports & Evil Geniuses legend PPD put “Zen” through its paces. There’ll be appearances from special guests and giveaways.

This is the first time the public will be able to try it themselves and see what it’s capable of. If you’re serious about gaming, this is an event you do not want to miss.

Source.

How powerful do you expect Zen to be!? Lets not forget that the PS4P is still stuck with puny jaguars.

http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/42231-zen-pricing-document-shows-four-skus-under-500

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@mjebb said:

Zen needs to be at Kaby Lake performance level and 33 percent cheaper to be competitive

That's too high of an expectation, I'm only expecting this to be above haswell and the start of a new era of competitive PC Price/Performance marketing between David and Goliath. Sure AMD may not win certain benches, but they are pose to take back mainstream usage as well as budget hardcore gaming.

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Be nice to see AMD competitive again. Would force Intel to have more reasonable prices and make them do more than piddly performance gains gen to gen

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Getting hyped for AMD's CPU releases typically end in disappointment.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Getting hyped for AMD's CPU releases typically end in disappointment.

I do not have high hopes with AMD, their company seems to be ran by buffoons.. A great example of it was the zen cpu preview they had this summer where they showed the internals of the zen machine.... It was a disorganized mess build that looked like that some unpaid intern had to throw together in a few hours...

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With AMD able to use Samsung's foundries, it puts AMD on a relatively even playing field with Intel to design their chips. I am very much looking forward to seeing what Zen holds for us. We would all win if this is the rebirth of the Athlon vs Pentium days.

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#22  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Getting hyped for AMD's CPU releases typically end in disappointment.

I wasn't hyped with Bulldozer since AMD haven't got the basics for good IPC designs i.e. two X86 instructions per cycle per thread is not good for IPC and it's a step backwards from Phenom II's three X86 instructions per cycle per thread.

The theory and high level concept design has to look better than Phenom II.

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@ronvalencia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Getting hyped for AMD's CPU releases typically end in disappointment.

I wasn't hyped with Bulldozer since AMD haven't got the basics for good IPC designs i.e. two X86 instructions per cycle per thread is not good for IPC and it's a step backwards from Phenom II's three X86 instructions per cycle per thread.

The theory and high level concept design has to look better than Phenom II.

Well, Jim Keller was completely involved with the Development of Zen, but left after he laid out the foundation. He was pretty much a consultant to AMD and their engineers.

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Getting hyped for AMD's CPU releases typically end in disappointment.

I wasn't hyped with Bulldozer since AMD haven't got the basics for good IPC designs i.e. two X86 instructions per cycle per thread is not good for IPC and it's a step backwards from Phenom II's three X86 instructions per cycle per thread.

The theory and high level concept design has to look better than Phenom II.

Well, Jim Keller was completely involved with the Development of Zen, but left after he laid out the foundation. He was pretty much a consultant to AMD and their engineers.

Jim Keller's work covers

AMD's K7, K8, Jaguar and ZEN,

Apple's A4 and A5

Jaguar serves as the basis for ZEN i.e. low power consumption foundation for designing 2X wide Jaguar aka ZEN.