Xbox Shutting Down Multiple Studios

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#151 Last_Lap
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@davillain: And you know there's no point in you mentioning Playstation to me either and yet you still did 🤷‍♂️

I know you were trying to be funny, but it fell flat.

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@Antwan3K: Tears of the Kingdom mostly shares the map from Breath of the Wild, but only from the Surface. The Sky and the Depths are new maps.

Since Nintendo does not disclose how much it costs (whether in yen or U.S. dollars) to develop its games, I wonder how much it spent to develop Tears of the Kingdom. It must have cost much less than the AAA games that most Western studios make.

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#153 SargentD
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@uninspiredcup said:
@Pedro said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

Seriously Microsoft?

Xbox needs Japanese studios, but they close Tango? I don't get it.

This is why Nintendo is so successful, they nurture talent and rarely get rid of staff.

Nintendo games has a significantly smaller development cost to that of the games MS and Sony develops or back. Folks may shit on the Switch for being weak but it has the advantage of lower graphical expectations and lower cost.

And the end result is still higher regarded critical games.

Because, they are games.

All true.

If the gaming industry is crashing again, Nintendo will probably be one of the few that can coast through it.

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#154 hardwenzen
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@hardwenzen: Please, you've only bought 1 Sony owned ip in nearly 2yrs and you bought that on PC, then you bought Dragons Dogmeh 2 on PC also. You haven't purchased a game on PS5 for the longest time.

That's proof that you're trying to convince yourself to go with Sony than you are me.

Do not pay attention to what i buy. Remember, i am an Ascended Cow that has options. You're not yet there, and you might never get to my level, but if you want to test your faith, begin with a ps5 and see where it leads you.

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#155  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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#156  Edited By templecow90999
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To be somewhat fair, if any of us were doing work output at the quality of Redfall we'd probably get fired too.

Tango on the other hand gave us the 2nd best, and overall most unique + original 1st party game of this gen so far. Just a terrible + brainless move

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#157 Last_Lap
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@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

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#158 hardwenzen
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@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

Like i said, i am not a hermit, and i will never become one. But if i have access to games that run at over twice the frames and better graphical settings, then there's no reason for me to suffer on the PS5. This is what you have trouble understanding.

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#160 navyguy21
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@SolidGame_basic said:

Dishonored will likely continue as Arkane Lyon still exists, shame about The Evil Within (though no one else bought it)

Tango is the only studio that should be saved, the other closures make sense.

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#161 Last_Lap
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@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

Like i said, i am not a hermit, and i will never become one. But if i have access to games that run at over twice the frames and better graphical settings, then there's no reason for me to suffer on the PS5. This is what you have trouble understanding.

That's exactly what a hermit would say. You either don't realise you're a hermit or can't admit it to yourself, but don't worry I see it and so do others, you're not fooling anyone here.

Time to sell that nun you call the PS5 and buy you some PC upgrades hermy.

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#162 DaVillain  Moderator
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@last_lap: Funny?

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#163  Edited By Last_Lap
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@davillain said:

@last_lap: Funny?

Wait you weren't trying to be funny?

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#164 hardwenzen
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@last_lap said:
@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

Like i said, i am not a hermit, and i will never become one. But if i have access to games that run at over twice the frames and better graphical settings, then there's no reason for me to suffer on the PS5. This is what you have trouble understanding.

That's exactly what a hermit would say. You either don't realise you're a hermit or can't admit it to yourself, but don't worry I see it and so do others, you're not fooling anyone here.

Time to sell that nun you call the PS5 and buy you some PC upgrades hermy.

A hermit wouldn't say that because they don't own a ps5, they have no choice but to play third party titles. Me on the other hand, i have access to everything in the universe. Not selling my ps5, sorry.

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@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:
@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

Like i said, i am not a hermit, and i will never become one. But if i have access to games that run at over twice the frames and better graphical settings, then there's no reason for me to suffer on the PS5. This is what you have trouble understanding.

That's exactly what a hermit would say. You either don't realise you're a hermit or can't admit it to yourself, but don't worry I see it and so do others, you're not fooling anyone here.

Time to sell that nun you call the PS5 and buy you some PC upgrades hermy.

A hermit wouldn't say that because they don't own a ps5, they have no choice but to play third party titles. Me on the other hand, i have access to everything in the universe. Not selling my ps5, sorry.

There are plenty of hermits who owns PS5's here, but they're still hermits just like you. You bought Helldivers 2 on PC, that's all the proof I need right there.

You can try and hide from it all you want, but you can't hermwenzen, that's your new nick name, everyone should feel free to use it

#hermwenzen

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#166  Edited By Ghost120x
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Ouch Tango stings. I’m worried about Double Fine and Obsidian as those are the only studios that they bought that I give a damn about…

This is what happens when you sell out to mega corporations and make bad “checkbox” games like RedFall.

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#167 hardwenzen
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@last_lap said:
@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:
@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Like I said you're trying to convince yourself to like the PS5, but you can't seem to that's why you don't buy ganes for it, but it's OK the Hermits will welcome you.

Like i said, i am not a hermit, and i will never become one. But if i have access to games that run at over twice the frames and better graphical settings, then there's no reason for me to suffer on the PS5. This is what you have trouble understanding.

That's exactly what a hermit would say. You either don't realise you're a hermit or can't admit it to yourself, but don't worry I see it and so do others, you're not fooling anyone here.

Time to sell that nun you call the PS5 and buy you some PC upgrades hermy.

A hermit wouldn't say that because they don't own a ps5, they have no choice but to play third party titles. Me on the other hand, i have access to everything in the universe. Not selling my ps5, sorry.

There are plenty of hermits who owns PS5's here, but they're still hermits just like you. You bought Helldivers 2 on PC, that's all the proof I need right there.

You can try and hide from it all you want, but you can't hermwenzen, that's your new nick name, everyone should feel free to use it

#hermwenzen

Face it, you made this up just for the sake of arguing with me. No hermits own a ps5. In the whole of Canada, we only have @BassMan but can we really take him seriously? No, and you know this as well as i do.

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#168  Edited By Last_Lap
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@hardwenzen: You've already admitted to buying games on the PC over the PS5, now it's time to acknowledge that you are hermwenzen.

You can't outrun who you are.

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#169  Edited By AcidTango
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Seriously Microsoft?

Xbox needs Japanese studios, but they close Tango? I don't get it.

This is why Nintendo is so successful, they nurture talent and rarely get rid of staff.

There are plenty of things that Nintendo does that I have issues with but never the less they make a lot of awesome games.

Their games don't have PS5 and Xbox Series X graphics but it doesn't matter because at the end of the day their games are still amazing and very fun. And they don't spend billions of dollars on buying other companies just to close them down like what Sony and Microsoft does.

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#170 hrt_rulz01
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@AcidTango: Yep, exactly.

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#171  Edited By rmpumper
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Blame Gamepass for low sales of good games like Hi-Fi Rush (which is on Humble Choice this month along with Like A Dragon, if you want good games on the cheap). MS can't expect to see goo sales numbers when the majority of their customers base are getting to play the game for free.

I bet Starfield is in the red sales wise.

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#172 dimebag667
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@nintendoboy16: For everyone to just play StarCraft? I agree 👍

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#173 R4gn4r0k  Online
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@SolidGame_basic said:

Lol

It's funny how Microsoft has a controller for every situation.

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every game dev by the studios.

from doing basic research.

never turn a profit.

on top of zenimax lying to M on when the brought them.

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#175  Edited By Macutchi
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judging from all the angry / sympathetic tweets from the arkane lyon team sounds like arkane austin aren't getting absorbed into other studios

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#176 Saint-George
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The fake outrage is still in full swing I see... business is business in a multi trillion industry,and layoffs,game cancelling and studio closures are common place now.and we all know it so let's cut out the act.

Roll on June 9th...when the most anticipated game showcase by Xbox studios bring the games..... you'll be there👍

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@hardwenzen: If ignoring the truth helps you go right ahead

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Sony and Microsoft have become such disappointing companies.

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Don't get Phil Spencer at times he says their all in on Japan and them shuts tango game works without explanation.

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@dabear: Prey is a 10/10, imo.

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Mike Ybarra can't read the room.

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Sad face initiate.


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@saint-george said:

The fake outrage is still in full swing I see... business is business in a multi trillion industry,and layoffs,game cancelling and studio closures are common place now.and we all know it so let's cut out the act.

Roll on June 9th...when the most anticipated game showcase by Xbox studios bring the games..... you'll be there👍

Without intellectual dishonesty, SW wouldn't exist. ;o

lol :P

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#185 SecretPolice
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Rare and Mojang couldn't be in a stronger position these days under MS leadership. ;o

Thanks MS/Xbox and of course, thank you Uncle Phil. lol :P

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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: If ignoring the truth helps you go right ahead

You're the one ignoring it lul

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@SecretPolice said:
@saint-george said:

The fake outrage is still in full swing I see... business is business in a multi trillion industry,and layoffs,game cancelling and studio closures are common place now.and we all know it so let's cut out the act.

Roll on June 9th...when the most anticipated game showcase by Xbox studios bring the games..... you'll be there👍

Without intellectual dishonesty, SW wouldn't exist. ;o

lol :P

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#188 SecretPolice
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@saint-george said:
@SecretPolice said:
@saint-george said:

The fake outrage is still in full swing I see... business is business in a multi trillion industry,and layoffs,game cancelling and studio closures are common place now.and we all know it so let's cut out the act.

Roll on June 9th...when the most anticipated game showcase by Xbox studios bring the games..... you'll be there👍

Without intellectual dishonesty, SW wouldn't exist. ;o

lol :P

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Too good!!

lol :P

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Its fun to read these posts. Almost (not all) of the negative comments are coming from Cows, not Lems.

Trolls to the end.

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Looks like I had the right idea, it would make no sense MS would close their only Japanese studio right after they released a critical success.

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I wish cows would stop with their backfires. They're really stinking up the place. lolol :P

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Kinda surprised though expected it given with Shinji Mikami had left Tango Gameworks.

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They just be out there saying anything

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#195 palasta
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@lamprey263 said:

Looks like I had the right idea, it would make no sense MS would close their only Japanese studio right after they released a critical success.

Really? What sense does it make? Hexplain!

https://www.ign.com/articles/tango-gameworks-founder-shinji-mikami-shares-brief-reaction-to-studio-closure

"Tango closed," Mikami wrote on X/Twitter today. "Sad."

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#196 palasta
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@Ospi said:

Sony and Microsoft have become such disappointing companies.

Microsoft has always been disappointing. Although Sony is plagued by "American Wokism" (like anybody else), at least their focus hasn't changed.

When you see no difference between MS and Sony, you're much like the next clueless soccer mom, buying a hip new entertainment system at BestBuy for her offspring. The only difference she can make out is Blue vs Green.

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#197  Edited By Nonstop-Madness
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@lamprey263 said:

Looks like I had the right idea, it would make no sense MS would close their only Japanese studio right after they released a critical success.

That doesn't really help explain much at all. The next question is going to be ... why did they leave?

Mikami already told us his reasoning.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/resident-evil-director-shinji-mikami-explains-why-he-left-tango-gameworks-and-founded-kamuy/

As his main motivations for leaving, he mentions wanting to create an environment that would allow young game creators to have more frequent opportunities to gain experience, i.e. an environment with shorter cycles between new projects. At the same time, he felt that there was an audience out there for unique, smaller-scale video games, which led him to see an opportunity to link these two factors.

The second reason Mikami mentions is his personal wish to break free from the survival horror game genre that he has come to be associated with. As existing companies have established styles and workflows, he decided to set up a company from zero to accomplish everything he’s set out to do. This is how the new company Kamuy came to be established.

It sounds like he really wants to make games like Hi-Fi Rush and, Microsoft axed it.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@lamprey263 said:

Looks like I had the right idea, it would make no sense MS would close their only Japanese studio right after they released a critical success.

That doesn't really help explain much at all. The next question is going to be ... why did they leave?

Mikami already told us his reasoning.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/resident-evil-director-shinji-mikami-explains-why-he-left-tango-gameworks-and-founded-kamuy/

As his main motivations for leaving, he mentions wanting to create an environment that would allow young game creators to have more frequent opportunities to gain experience, i.e. an environment with shorter cycles between new projects. At the same time, he felt that there was an audience out there for unique, smaller-scale video games, which led him to see an opportunity to link these two factors.

The second reason Mikami mentions is his personal wish to break free from the survival horror game genre that he has come to be associated with. As existing companies have established styles and workflows, he decided to set up a company from zero to accomplish everything he’s set out to do. This is how the new company Kamuy came to be established.

It sounds like he really wants to make games like Hi-Fi Rush and, Microsoft axed it.

Did he make a game like Hi Fi Rush?

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#199 tdkmillsy
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@hardwenzen: https://variety.com/2024/gaming/news/playstation-lay-offs-900-employees-sony-1235923839/

8% of workforce months before MS and with far smaller acquisitions

They both doing it.

The industry has to adapt to survive.

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#200 Nonstop-Madness
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@Pedro said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@lamprey263 said:

Looks like I had the right idea, it would make no sense MS would close their only Japanese studio right after they released a critical success.

That doesn't really help explain much at all. The next question is going to be ... why did they leave?

Mikami already told us his reasoning.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/resident-evil-director-shinji-mikami-explains-why-he-left-tango-gameworks-and-founded-kamuy/

As his main motivations for leaving, he mentions wanting to create an environment that would allow young game creators to have more frequent opportunities to gain experience, i.e. an environment with shorter cycles between new projects. At the same time, he felt that there was an audience out there for unique, smaller-scale video games, which led him to see an opportunity to link these two factors.

The second reason Mikami mentions is his personal wish to break free from the survival horror game genre that he has come to be associated with. As existing companies have established styles and workflows, he decided to set up a company from zero to accomplish everything he’s set out to do. This is how the new company Kamuy came to be established.

It sounds like he really wants to make games like Hi-Fi Rush and, Microsoft axed it.

Did he make a game like Hi Fi Rush?

He was the Executive Producer on Hi-Fi Rush; he left right after the game released.

It sounds like there was a divide between what Mikami and Tango wanted to do vs what Xbox wanted.