Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year...link inside

Got my PS4 ordered, that's all that matters. :cool: Heil68

Fanboys will believe anything when it is something they want to hear.

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Its hilarious to me that Sony fans think that the opinions on forums are going to translate into real world sales. The people who frequent gaming sites are the very small minority. I expect the Xbox One to outsell the PS4 significantly.Shensolidus

Americans are like that...

Where i live most people never heard of the X1, and quite a few know about the Ps4. Mainly because the X1 is not going to be available here until 2014 and all stores have posters for PS4 pre-orders. When it launches here very few people will even notice it. The Xbox 360 is not really popular here anyway.

I assume many other countries are behaving like this too.

Read between the lines. The words "ship" and "sell" are very different. Though many companies will use "shipped" numbers as a means by which to judge product success -- which backfired on MS... -_-musicalmac

Nintendo did this with the Wii U as well.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-07-23-xbox-one-could-outship-ps4-3-to-1-this-year

granddogg

My point was that shipped to stores is not the same as sold from stores. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about the Microsoft and their 900 million flop (there's some SW terminology for you all). That's not hard to grasp, because it's math.musicalmac

i don't think anybody was saying that shipped to stores is the same as sold from stores.

My point was that shipped to stores is not the same as sold from stores. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about the Microsoft and their 900 million flop (there's some SW terminology for you all). That's not hard to grasp, because it's math.musicalmac

Xbox one will flop just my opinion but soon to be a fact lolrell84

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Its hilarious to me that Sony fans think that the opinions on forums are going to translate into real world sales. The people who frequent gaming sites are the very small minority. I expect the Xbox One to outsell the PS4 significantly.Shensolidus

If Microsoft couldn't dominate last generation they may as well get used to being mediocre. Sony is winning this next generation easily. Any lem that thinks otherwise is delusional. By easily I mean 10-15 million at least. There will be no need to check monthly or quarterly reports.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] "Shipped" means "sold" to companies who aren't watching their products fly off the shelves. It's a lazy, safe way of talking about product success. If you'll notice, it bit MS in the butt to the tune of nearly a billion dollars.

Shipped is not sold.joehult

That went real well for nintendo, I think their product was flying off shelves for what, two weeks. At some point they will have to buyback units, if they haven't already.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

shipped is sold.

CaseyWegner

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="cheesie253"] Be careful people don't seem to understand this. Jakandsigz

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

always? for every retailer? why would more be sent out if they weren't selling?

Got my PS4 ordered, that's all that matters. :cool: Heil68

Got mine all paid up. :P

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]^ ^ This. Only idiotic lems will believe such a shitty prediction.Kaz_Son

And yet cows have spent the last 7 months believing the IDC sales prediction :lol: shut up

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Got my PS4 ordered, that's all that matters. :cool: tonitorsi

Got mine all paid up. :P

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

CaseyWegner

always? for every retailer? why would more be sent out if they weren't selling?

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Got my PS4 ordered, that's all that matters. :cool: blackace

Got mine all paid up. :P

^ Oh my f*ckin god...these flawless posts...

#slayed

900 million flop? Have no idea what you're talking about. Shipped to stores is pretty much SOLD TO CONSUMERS when it comes to the very first shipment of consoles at launch. You, as a mod who knows gaming and the industry, should know this. If both Sony & Microsoft ship say 1.5 million units for the 2013 yrs, they are pretty much SOLD. Especially if every analyst is predicting shortages for the holidays. Now, that's not to hard to grasp right? blackace

My point was that shipped to stores is not the same as sold from stores. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about the Microsoft and their 900 million flop (there's some SW terminology for you all). That's not hard to grasp, because it's math.musicalmac

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

CaseyWegner

always? for every retailer? why would more be sent out if they weren't selling?

No your point was that shipped does not equal sold. It does equal sold. It was sol to the retailer. That's what the manufacturers number represent. They do not claim that number is the number sold at retail. Also, again, what does the tablet "flop" have to do with sales numbers? That was them losing money refunding on units that were SOLD to retailers when they decided on a manufacturers price drop. Those tablets are still sold to the retailers they just reimbursed them on their costs. cheesie253

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Got my PS4 ordered, that's all that matters. :cool: tonitorsi

Got mine all paid up. :P

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] no, because if it doesn't selll after "shipped" there are "buy backs"Jakandsigz

always? for every retailer? why would more be sent out if they weren't selling?

you don't know the answer?

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]No your point was that shipped does not equal sold. It does equal sold. It was sol to the retailer. That's what the manufacturers number represent. They do not claim that number is the number sold at retail. Also, again, what does the tablet "flop" have to do with sales numbers? That was them losing money refunding on units that were SOLD to retailers when they decided on a manufacturers price drop. Those tablets are still sold to the retailers they just reimbursed them on their costs. musicalmac

do retailers not purchase these shipments?

Lems will believe anything when it is something they want to hear.

NathanDrakeSwag

So sayeth the biggest super-mooing-cow in SW. You believe every single positive comment about Sony - substantiated or not. If Sony decleated themselves a fascist state, you'd be goose-stepping by the end of the week.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]No your point was that shipped does not equal sold. It does equal sold. It was sol to the retailer. That's what the manufacturers number represent. They do not claim that number is the number sold at retail. Also, again, what does the tablet "flop" have to do with sales numbers? That was them losing money refunding on units that were SOLD to retailers when they decided on a manufacturers price drop. Those tablets are still sold to the retailers they just reimbursed them on their costs. musicalmac

If shipments didn't end up in the hands of consumers, retailers would stop buying them from the manufacturer. Most sales figures are shipped sales: computers, vg consoles, cars, home appliances, etc.

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Lems will believe anything when it is something they want to hear.

StormyJoe

So sayeth the biggest super-mooing-cow in SW. You believe every single positive comment about Sony - substantiated or not. If Sony decleated themselves a fascist state, you'd be goose-stepping by the end of the week.

as you would for microsoft, you are the village idiot of your respective "faction"

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="cheesie253"]No your point was that shipped does not equal sold. It does equal sold. It was sol to the retailer. That's what the manufacturers number represent. They do not claim that number is the number sold at retail. Also, again, what does the tablet "flop" have to do with sales numbers? That was them losing money refunding on units that were SOLD to retailers when they decided on a manufacturers price drop. Those tablets are still sold to the retailers they just reimbursed them on their costs. StormyJoe

If shipments didn't end up in the hands of consumers, retailers would stop buying them from the manufacturer. Most sales figures are shipped sales: computers, vg consoles, cars, home appliances, etc.

Not true. Lots of iPhones end up shipping but don't end up going to the customer's hands.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/12/links-12-july-verizon-could-owe-apple-14-billion-over-insufficient-iphone-sales/

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

always? for every retailer? why would more be sent out if they weren't selling?

CaseyWegner

you don't know the answer?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="cheesie253"]No your point was that shipped does not equal sold. It does equal sold. It was sol to the retailer. That's what the manufacturers number represent. They do not claim that number is the number sold at retail. Also, again, what does the tablet "flop" have to do with sales numbers? That was them losing money refunding on units that were SOLD to retailers when they decided on a manufacturers price drop. Those tablets are still sold to the retailers they just reimbursed them on their costs. StormyJoe

If shipments didn't end up in the hands of consumers, retailers would stop buying them from the manufacturer. Most sales figures are shipped sales: computers, vg consoles, cars, home appliances, etc.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] Ask Sega and Atari and NEC that question.Jakandsigz

you don't know the answer?

so no link or anything? just an assumption?

TCHBO! 

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]bu bu teh amazon bestsellers list :cry:AD216

The PS4 is leading tremendeously in pre-orders. The chances that the X1 outsells PS4 at launch are 1 out of a million.

LOL @ $50 price difference.

How can MS ship more when its launching in less countries? Logic fails analyst and lemmings,

Try again.

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

AHUGECAT

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

musicalmac

Also X1 is more expensive than launch fat PS3 was in U.K. Do you people research before you post? lol.

Then why is PS4 way ahead in pre-orders in Europe?

Also X1 is more expensive than launch fat PS3 was in U.K. Do you people research before you post? lol.

Douevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Then why is PS4 way ahead in pre-orders in Europe?

Also X1 is more expensive than launch fat PS3 was in U.K. Do you people research before you post? lol.

musicalmac

In other news, pigs fly!

eyebrows

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you don't know the answer?

CaseyWegner

so no link or anything? just an assumption?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] No, you are assuming that they don't do that so YOU don't know the answer. But since you can't spot the obvious, they want to inflate numbers, it's extremely common.Jakandsigz

so no link or anything? just an assumption?

it's more of an assumption to assume that they do than to assume that they don't. retailers order the systems and the manufacturer ships them. they don't just send them out and demand payment.