Xbox 360 Ultimate - KEEP IT HERE -Why wasn't this stickied???

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

wmc540

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

What Microsoft should do next is create a version of this SKU without a hard drive, and call it the Core Ultimate. I'm beginning to suspect Microsoft's real goal is to force Best Buy employees to spend eight hours a day explaining what the hell all the different bundles, models, packages, and accessories are to increasingly confused consumers.

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In all seriousness, while I get why a larger hard drive would be ideal for the IPTV package, it seems odd to tuck it for retail in this way, since their IPTV setup seems like it won't really take off (in any significant way) this generation any more than the Sega Genesis' cable-rental cartridge service.

[QUOTE="wmc540"]

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

mazdero

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

To watch movies?? They won't use it for games and if you can't see that than you are a *insert insult*. I don't understand why someone would be that *insert insult* to actually believe that they would out date their first 11 million consoles.

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="wmc540"]

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

wmc540

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

To watch movies?? They won't use it for games and if you can't see that than you are a *insert insult*. I don't understand why someone would be that *insert insult* to actually believe that they would out date their first 11 million consoles.

you=blind fanboy, me=/=fanboy

That is why YOU can't see whats happening. ok, lets say its just for movies. That still makes MS worse than Sony because they are putting HD-DVD in a GAME system to win a format war, not for GAMING. Only, they did it two years later when that format is getting kicked around like a sick puppy. At least the PS3's GAMES are on bluray. I'm not debating whether bluray or HD-dvd is needed this gen, but it looks very suspect for MS to put this in a new SKU after they said they wouldn't do it. And WiFi also. what was it they said, that Wifi standards are always changing which is why they didn't include it in their system, to give their customers a "choice". Yeah, well I guess we know now how big of a crap job that was. I paid 100 dollars for a wifi adapter, and now they decide to include it. I really hope this is a lie.

This article is horsecrap, but, M$ is just handing this gen over to Sony and Nintendo on a platter right now by focusing on the high end and too many SKU's if there's any truth to CES rumors. Somehow you'd think... fix the hardware, cut the price... would make sense. stray720

[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="wmc540"]

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

mazdero

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

To watch movies?? They won't use it for games and if you can't see that than you are a *insert insult*. I don't understand why someone would be that *insert insult* to actually believe that they would out date their first 11 million consoles.

you=blind fanboy, me=/=fanboy

That is why YOU can't see whats happening. ok, lets say its just for movies. That still makes MS worse than Sony because they are putting HD-DVD in a GAME system to win a format war, not for GAMING. Only, they did it two years later when that format is getting kicked around like a sick puppy. At least the PS3's GAMES are on bluray. I'm not debating whether bluray or HD-dvd is needed this gen, but it looks very suspect for MS to put this in a new SKU after they said they wouldn't do it. And WiFi also. what was it they said, that Wifi standards are always changing which is why they didn't include it in their system, to give their customers a "choice". Yeah, well I guess we know now how big of a crap job that was. I paid 100 dollars for a wifi adapter, and now they decide to include it. I really hope this is a lie.

I am no fanboy and I am certainly not a blind fanboy. I just can't believe the logical fallacies that are being presented in this thread. There are more slippery slopes here than in Colorado.

This sounds kind of dumb. This is either how the 360 should have been when released, or something that should be used for their next console.

This sounds like a big waste of money for anyone buying a 360 for gaming purposes.

[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="wmc540"]

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

mazdero

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

To watch movies?? They won't use it for games and if you can't see that than you are a *insert insult*. I don't understand why someone would be that *insert insult* to actually believe that they would out date their first 11 million consoles.

you=blind fanboy, me=/=fanboy

That is why YOU can't see whats happening. ok, lets say its just for movies. That still makes MS worse than Sony because they are putting HD-DVD in a GAME system to win a format war, not for GAMING. Only, they did it two years later when that format is getting kicked around like a sick puppy. At least the PS3's GAMES are on bluray. I'm not debating whether bluray or HD-dvd is needed this gen, but it looks very suspect for MS to put this in a new SKU after they said they wouldn't do it. And WiFi also. what was it they said, that Wifi standards are always changing which is why they didn't include it in their system, to give their customers a "choice". Yeah, well I guess we know now how big of a crap job that was. I paid 100 dollars for a wifi adapter, and now they decide to include it. I really hope this is a lie.

This is very well said, good sir.

It's not real. Nothing has been announced. We are expecting Gates to announce something along the eyes of IP-TV 360 this weekend at CES but nothing is concrete. It's not on any other site, these no press releaseon that site, no pics or even a statement from M$ so it's 100% made up traffic hungering by the site.

"But come autumn 2008, we reckon both will be rendered obsolete by the Ultimate."

Hardly confirmation, no?

Myth busted.

so the ultimate is basicly a PS3..LOL

minus remote play of course:)

Here we go again...Discuss...http://stuff.tv/News/BIG-IN-2008-Xbox-Ultimate/

Xbox 360 Ultimate

-1080p HDMI Output

-Built In Wi-FI

-Hi-Def Audio Output

-65 nm Hardware...cooler fan

-320 GB Hard Drive

-Built In HD DVD Drive

comstrikeiscool

LOL its like a ps3, but with a bigger hard-drive. I'll stick with my 360 for now...of course it could very well explode by the time this comes out.

Bad Mircosoft!!! Bad!!! :(

A_New_Life

hahahaha..good pic

I'll seriously throw my Elite out the window if they release that thing (ok I won't...but I'll be pissed). Well atleast I'll have 120 GB I guess. But seriously, MS just needs to not focus on the hardware....keep pumping out solid software and there will be no problems.

Wait I remeber hearing about a console like this being released in 06.....

Oh yeah from some japanese company named Sony? Something called a PS3!!!

Besides the bigger HDD. I see no differences. that and the HD-DVD drive. It is reasons like this that I haven't bought a 360 yet. I want to play ME, bioshock with a gamepad yessir!, H3 sure why not? But another SKU!!! Really? I mean wow. this takes the cake. Bad enough it might brick on me for no apprent reason but now another SKU!!!!

The inner ps3 fanboy in me wants this to come out and have MS start using HD-DVD games. That would be the best move ever. Because I am pretty sure the internet will explode. And MS will have just played Russan Roulette with a clip-loading pistol....

[QUOTE="mushi799"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="mushi799"][QUOTE="gromit007"]

Its a nice machine, but the price will be high.

MS has as many SKUs as Sony, lets not take that route.

wmc540

Sony currently has two, 40gig and 80gig, that's not hard to follow.

Key word... currently. At least Microsoft systems aren't losing features with new SKU's like the PS3 did with backwards compatibility.

80gig has BC, you want BC get that. OR buy a ps2, it's freaking $99. I didn't buy a 360 to play xbox games or ps3 games to play ps2 games.

I know, I just find it ironic that many people attacked the 360's backwards compatibility when
a. It isn't that bad

b. Sony got rid of theirs.

Did you just read his post? The 80gb HAS BC!

Besides the bigger HDD. I see no differences. that and the HD-DVD drive. It is reasons like this that I haven't bought a 360 yet. I want to play ME, bioshock with a gamepad yessir!, H3 sure why not? But another SKU!!!

XturnalS

I have good news for you- you can. Buy it for the PC and plug in a 360 controller- that's it.

Being on topic, if this is true, it's an absolutely insane idea. When I look at all the SKUs, it really makes me feel like MS has no actual gameplan for what it wants to do. First it's a core and a premium...not ideal, since the core is just gimped, but ok. Then it was the Elite for those who really wanted HDMI and the most out of their gaming experience. Then it was the Arcade pack, I presume targeted at casuals. Then the Halo edition to milk those fans. And now this?

At least when Sony revised their SKUs, it was an attempt to get the price lower. But most of MS's new ones have increased the price. And while maybe beneficial to consumers, it's a real kick in the pants to retailers to say you're going to actively support 5 SKUs and to have them all in stock.

I feel like Sony had a total vision for what they wanted the PS3 to be. Perhaps the market doesn't agree with their vision, but at least it was there. Their revisions were to lower the cost for the consumer (and themselves, obviously) which is what the consumer wants. But really, who wants this? Was there anyone sitting on the fence about a 360 that was *just* waiting for an HD-DVD intergrated 360 with a larger HDD? Just a guess, but if you really wanted all those feautures in your gaming system, you probably would've gotten the PS3.

If this is true its too late.

what is the point in the HDD? I thought 120gigs was a little over the top, but this? HDMI is good, and so is wifi built in. that should have been there from the beginning. So should the HD DVD player, but now its useless as they will not be able to make games that use the HD DVD. seems pojntless to me. First it was the premium, which we thought would be the best, then the eliete, now this?

Plus could you make it so all the 360's will not ge RROD, or must we buy the new one for that feature?

well.. it's not like they can make games on HD DVD now.. so.. useless imo..Always-Honest

Dual Drive?

If true my support for MS is completely over. I would've gotten a 360 with HD-DVD and Hi-Def audio but MS chose not to this from the beginning, so early adopters once again get laughed at by MS.rockydog1111

In the beginning HDMI and HD DVD werent around, dont be upset because technology has advanced.

looks like they are trying to compete with sony on how many versions they can put out. Ontain

There is 0 chance they will release games on HD-DVD. I don't think even MS is that stupid.Chutebox

technically they could. remember that HD DVD allows for both sides to be used. one side dvd and one side hddvd. it's possible to release games that have 2 versions. the HDdvd version could have extra languages or out of game content like special features on a movie.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]looks like they are trying to compete with sony on how many versions they can put out. Jandurin

Atleast they arent discontinuing older versions as they go. I dont see how making a sku like this one in limited quantities is somehow a bad thing.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Ontain"]looks like they are trying to compete with sony on how many versions they can put out. TerroRizing

Atleast they arent discontinuing older versions as they go. I dont see how making a sku like this one in limited quantities is somehow a bad thing.

looks like they are trying to compete with sony on how many versions they can put out. Ontain

Yea, that makes sense.

if this is real:

$^$&%*&£ you m*$&^$&* f$**@:$&*$*!!!! You greedy $&*$^ ^&^**765 -_- "(*:@@{P"!!!! They go and do ($**& like this as soon as we all have our cores arcades premiums elites!!!! Lemmings are no longer lemmings cus they're the one's getting milked . If this U£@: carrys on wtf is the point in buying an xbox console if a new SKU is out every 6 months. BS BS BS BS *($£*@: MS Sony >>> MS for value now and i thought that'd never happen. In fact, with hindsight i would have paid double for a PC which doesn't $&*($(& up your dvd's if you move it, doesn't run games at a measly 720p or less 90% of the time, and has the option to upgrade without buying a completely new system every 6 months. MS suck, the 360 sucks, i'd rather play big rigs than buy into this $(*(ing @:£$£$ BS.........

/phew . well i'd only verify that if this turns out to be true.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]There is 0 chance they will release games on HD-DVD. I don't think even MS is that stupid.Ontain

technically they could. remember that HD DVD allows for both sides to be used. one side dvd and one side hddvd. it's possible to release games that have 2 versions. the HDdvd version could have extra languages or out of game content like special features on a movie.

Would never happen. Stores shelves are already starved for space. Adding another mouth to be fed is an impossibility. Retailers simply don't have the space, and the confusion is not what MS is looking for anyway. There will never be a game released in HD DVD, whether there is a version of the 360 with a drive built in or not.

Ever.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]There is 0 chance they will release games on HD-DVD. I don't think even MS is that stupid.Dreams-Visions

technically they could. remember that HD DVD allows for both sides to be used. one side dvd and one side hddvd. it's possible to release games that have 2 versions. the HDdvd version could have extra languages or out of game content like special features on a movie.

Would never happen. Stores shelves are already starved for space. Adding another mouth to be fed is an impossibility. Retailers simply don't have the space, and the confusion is not what MS is looking for anyway. There will never be a game released in HD DVD, whether there is a version of the 360 with a drive built in or not.

Ever.

Whats the big deal?

You can buy a 360 Arcade, Pro, Elite, or Ultimate. They all play the exact same games. Nothing changes except some added features. Get a grip people. Your 360's wont become obsolete....nothing changes.

[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="wmc540"]

They said the format wasn't necessary for games. They are going to stand by that statement and rightfully so this gen.

mazdero

if its not necessary for games, then why include it in the console? how do you know they won't use it for games? In fact, they would be stupid not to. They would be way worse than sony to include something in the system, and not use it. At least PS3 games are on Bluray.

It would really piss me off if they did that because now I would own an outdated piece of crap, and would be forced to buy a new 360 to play new games. MS does some underhanded stuff, but this would put them way over the top.

To watch movies?? They won't use it for games and if you can't see that than you are a *insert insult*. I don't understand why someone would be that *insert insult* to actually believe that they would out date their first 11 million consoles.

you=blind fanboy, me=/=fanboy

That is why YOU can't see whats happening. ok, lets say its just for movies. That still makes MS worse than Sony because they are putting HD-DVD in a GAME system to win a format war, not for GAMING. Only, they did it two years later when that format is getting kicked around like a sick puppy. At least the PS3's GAMES are on bluray. I'm not debating whether bluray or HD-dvd is needed this gen, but it looks very suspect for MS to put this in a new SKU after they said they wouldn't do it. And WiFi also. what was it they said, that Wifi standards are always changing which is why they didn't include it in their system, to give their customers a "choice". Yeah, well I guess we know now how big of a crap job that was. I paid 100 dollars for a wifi adapter, and now they decide to include it. I really hope this is a lie.

Nobody said you have to like it. In fact, none of this applies to you in the slightest because you already OWN a console. So what do you care what new options they put into the market?

The only question that matters here is whether or not there would be a market for this product substantial enough to justify the existence of the new SKU at the pricepoint they feel makes it worthwhile. I'm sure they've done enough market research to have figured out the answer to that question. If the answer is "yes", we'll know it very soon.

Personally, I don't see any problem with them eliminating the need to pick up the external HD DVD drive by replacing the DVD drive with a combo drive. I don't see why you have a problem with it either. It's not like they're substituting this in for some primary SKU like the premium. This will be something for the crowd that would like a 360, but may be swayed by a desire to play back HiDef movies. Why have to buy 2 parts to make that happen? Put them together. Get your movies and play your 360 games.

The end.

Some of you guys make things much more complicated and stressful than they really are. You people did the same crying when they released the Elite and the Halo Edition. Did the market implode? No? Then calm the hell down. It won't with this SKU either, should it ever come into existence.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]There is 0 chance they will release games on HD-DVD. I don't think even MS is that stupid.smokeydabear076

technically they could. remember that HD DVD allows for both sides to be used. one side dvd and one side hddvd. it's possible to release games that have 2 versions. the HDdvd version could have extra languages or out of game content like special features on a movie.

Would never happen. Stores shelves are already starved for space. Adding another mouth to be fed is an impossibility. Retailers simply don't have the space, and the confusion is not what MS is looking for anyway. There will never be a game released in HD DVD, whether there is a version of the 360 with a drive built in or not.

Ever.

lol. hush.

Here we go again...Discuss...http://stuff.tv/News/BIG-IN-2008-Xbox-Ultimate/

Xbox 360 Ultimate

-1080p HDMI Output

-Built In Wi-FI

-Hi-Def Audio Output

-65 nm Hardware...cooler fan

-320 GB Hard Drive

-Built In HD DVD Drive

comstrikeiscool

M$ is just trying to support HD-DVD. If it supported both Blu-Ray & HD-DVD it might actually be worth having. I like the 320GB HDD though. I wonder how much it'll cost? $599? $499? In any case the RROD should be completely fixed with this system. It'll have the cooler CPU, GPU and a better cooling fan. No more RROD.

bbbut al those featureswerent important right microsoft ???

bbut the choice

you know what you can stick my xbox360 right up in your bleep

''This PS3-killer'''

give me a break hd-dvd is already dead