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#1 faisal12345
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well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.
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#2 WiiForAll
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Because some guy named Sherman didn't trust them.
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#3 seam007
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cause there white and hate pie
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#4 nacademy
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Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.
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#5 ultima-flare
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Because some guy named Sherman didn't trust them.WiiForAll
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#6 seam007
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and mainly white people get sue it fact
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#7 chigga102
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They have laws to protect against big companies sh***** on the littel guy. most people now are just hippie liberals that complain because Ms has been so successful in the Os market and they think "MS will take over the world" and they are just haters. If any other company was this successful they would be the same toward that company
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#8 foxhound_fox
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And this is news how?
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Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.nacademy
Thats Retarded.
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Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.nacademy
then what about the monopoly of the NFL, why are they not getting sued Their only competition is the AFL and that cant be compared to Microsoft and Apple NFL=Microsoft AFL=Apple
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[QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.Hyper-Chicken
Thats Retarded.

No kidding, its really weird.

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#12 Runningflame570
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*snip*chigga102
Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, that is undeniable by any reasonable definition of the term.

 

[QUOTE="Hyper-Chicken"]Thats Retarded.DSgamer64

No kidding, its really weird.



Its to protect consumers from inflated prices like Microsoft has on their computer software. Honestly, anti-trust legislation hasn't been enforced worth **** in decades and thats a real shame. 

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#13 Deihmos
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well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.faisal12345
Big companies alwyas get sued. That is just one of the problems big companies have. Sony gets sued a lot also.
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#14 foxhound_fox
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Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.nacademy


DeBeers?
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#15 Runningflame570
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[QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.foxhound_fox


DeBeers?

Que?
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[QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.Hyper-Chicken
Thats Retarded.

No, its not, its basic logic. The last time they allowed Companies to do this, it caused massive problems, super high prices, and sub-par items. After that many laws were passed on the way companies could and could not so business.
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[QUOTE="faisal12345"]well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.Deihmos
Big companies alwyas get sued. That is just one of the problems big companies have. Sony gets sued a lot also.

Nowhere near the amount MS does. MS has paid 9 billion in settlements.
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#18 CaptainCrazy
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This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.
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[QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.Slyprince
then what about the monopoly of the NFL, why are they not getting sued Their only competition is the AFL and that cant be compared to Microsoft and Apple NFL=Microsoft AFL=Apple

you mean the American Football league that merged with the NFL in 69?
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This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.CaptainCrazy
No it would....Look at Linux OS's...tons of distributions yet the majority run on the same hardware, and can use the same programs.
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[QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.foxhound_fox


DeBeers?

Has been the subject of US Justice Department investigations, and is poised to pay an enormous settlement for charges of price-fixing. In the settlement, they agreed to comply with US antitrust laws. 

So sayeth Wikipedia 

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[QUOTE="Slyprince"][QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.Hewkii
then what about the monopoly of the NFL, why are they not getting sued Their only competition is the AFL and that cant be compared to Microsoft and Apple NFL=Microsoft AFL=Apple

you mean the American Football league that merged with the NFL in 69?

No I am talking about the Arena Football League
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Because some guy named Sherman didn't trust them.WiiForAll
You are my hero!
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#24 Runningflame570
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This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.CaptainCrazy
No, a single operating system is not good for the industry. Developers have already proven willing on many occasions to make their software compatable for OSes with a very small marketshare, the problem is that the larger closed-source developers are pretty much refusing to at this point. Any cost increases due to complications with porting code to different operating systems can be offset increases in data security due to more diversity in coding methods and better inherent capabilities for certain tasks on different operating systems. Linux is extremely adaptable and would probably would be best put to use in the server environment, Mac has very robust multimedia apps and would be best suited for that IMO..especially with the comparatively low system specs, Windows could be used to a degree for both. Those are only the pre-existing OSes on the radar as well, theres OS2, ect as well. Lack of competition in any industry is not a healthy thing for consumers and the vast majority of producers/distributers, that can be seen in the music industry, the computer industry, and the oil industry.
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#25 Hewkii
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No I am talking about the Arena Football LeagueSlyprince
if you look at this, it shows that the NFL doesn't have a monopoly:  instead, it shows that the AFL is pretty big.
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#26 imprezawrx500
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well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.faisal12345
its considers anti competitive and you have have competition say some and no competition = same old product and give the company way to much power
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#27 imprezawrx500
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This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.CaptainCrazy
true but it also means m$ can di annying things like activation and charge what they like and people still buy it
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#28 skektek
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well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.faisal12345

In a nutshell - while a monopoly is an unfavorable economic condition (inflated prices (see Windows, MS Office), marketplace competition and innovation stagnates (see Windows and Internet Explorer) it is not illegal. When a company abuses their monopoly position (like Microsoft did against competitor Netscape) that's when a company gets in trouble.

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#29 Subcritical
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[QUOTE="chigga102"]*snip*Runningflame570

Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, that is undeniable by any reasonable definition of the term.

 

[QUOTE="Hyper-Chicken"]Thats Retarded.DSgamer64

No kidding, its really weird.



Its to protect consumers from inflated prices like Microsoft has on their computer software. Honestly, anti-trust legislation hasn't been enforced worth **** in decades and thats a real shame. 

Good post.  The US Court has been very leniant on Microsoft.  EU has and still is persuing MS as are a number of other nations.

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Because some people are idiots and deserve to die.
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There are circumstances where monopolies are allowed.  Mainly in the utilities industry.  Water, Natural Gas.  Cable TV is pretty much a monopoly in a given community.
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There are circumstances where monopolies are allowed. Mainly in the utilities industry. Water, Natural Gas. Cable TV is pretty much a monopoly in a given community.Tony_DiNozzo
It many cases those are directly owned by the goverment, or heavily regulated through taxes. The only companies exempt, are I believe defense Contractors for the military.
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#33 KillaHalo2o9
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Ms will always own the Os Market :P
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#34 StephenKing_1
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Last I checked, Windows wasn't the only OS available.  MS has never had a monopoly, and have no means to prevent any company from creating their own Operating system, word processor, office utilities, etc.  Monopolys only exist when they are government sanctioned.
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Last I checked, Windows wasn't the only OS available. MS has never had a monopoly, and have no means to prevent any company from creating their own Operating system, word processor, office utilities, etc. Monopolys only exist when they are government sanctioned.StephenKing_1
No you are absolutly wrong. Even a court ruling said they did. and yes, before the settlement, MS was infact preventing certain Companies from developing for Windows, as long as they also developed for another OS. Which made Developing for Apple, virtually impossible.

 

and Monopolies dont only exist under goverment sanctions.

 

Boing, AT&T, and many othes were all at one point convicted of Violating Anti-Trust laws.

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[QUOTE="Hyper-Chicken"][QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.DSgamer64

Thats Retarded.

No kidding, its really weird.

no it's not. you'll learn about it when you take American history in middle school or high school.
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[QUOTE="Hyper-Chicken"][QUOTE="nacademy"]Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.DSgamer64

Thats Retarded.

No kidding, its really weird.

if one company owned an entire market they cvould easily raise prices and bam, nobody wins except them
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#38 Ontain
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There are circumstances where monopolies are allowed. Mainly in the utilities industry. Water, Natural Gas. Cable TV is pretty much a monopoly in a given community.Tony_DiNozzo
this is more for practical reasons. (you don't have several companies digging up every street) these are also heavily regulated companies. now there is a way around it and that's call deregulation. the 3rd party then rents the lives from the utility and charges for the power it puts into the grid.
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[QUOTE="StephenKing_1"]Last I checked, Windows wasn't the only OS available. MS has never had a monopoly, and have no means to prevent any company from creating their own Operating system, word processor, office utilities, etc. Monopolys only exist when they are government sanctioned.cobrax25

No you are absolutly wrong. Even a court ruling said they did. and yes, before the settlement, MS was infact preventing certain Companies from developing for Windows, as long as they also developed for another OS. Which made Developing for Apple, virtually impossible.

 

and Monopolies dont only exist under goverment sanctions.

 

Boing, AT&T, and many othes were all at one point convicted of Violating Anti-Trust laws.

You mean the court ruling that was in effect a slap on the wrist?  The courts say all kinds of stupid things that make no sense.  Windows is owned/created by Microsoft.  If they make it impossible for someone to develop for it, then so be it.  It's their program.  Nobody should step in and say what MS can and cannot allow on their own program.  I don't believe Ipods can play wma files.  Apple should be sued.  Don't know about Boeing, but AT&T was a monopoly, and only because the government didn't allow competitors to build phone lines.  Same with electric companies/power lines 100 years ago. 

My point still stands.  The whole idea of a Monopoly is stupid.  If one company creates a product that "monopolizes" the market, then charges outrageous prices, what is to stop someone else from creating something similar and charging half the price?  Nothing, and there goes your monopoly. 

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DSgamer64 i just wanted to let u know that your sig is massive self ownage. Microsoft DID have motion sensing a lond a** time ago with the sidewinder. Look at this http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/boxshots/web/swfreestylepro.jpg

 Sorry i couldn't link it, it says you cant link anything that has the words "class" or "style" in the url

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="StephenKing_1"]Last I checked, Windows wasn't the only OS available. MS has never had a monopoly, and have no means to prevent any company from creating their own Operating system, word processor, office utilities, etc. Monopolys only exist when they are government sanctioned.StephenKing_1

No you are absolutly wrong. Even a court ruling said they did. and yes, before the settlement, MS was infact preventing certain Companies from developing for Windows, as long as they also developed for another OS. Which made Developing for Apple, virtually impossible.

and Monopolies dont only exist under goverment sanctions.

Boing, AT&T, and many othes were all at one point convicted of Violating Anti-Trust laws.

You mean the court ruling that was in effect a slap on the wrist? The courts say all kinds of stupid things that make no sense. Windows is owned/created by Microsoft. If they make it impossible for someone to develop for it, then so be it. It's their program. Nobody should step in and say what MS can and cannot allow on their own program. I don't believe Ipods can play wma files. Apple should be sued. Don't know about Boeing, but AT&T was a monopoly, and only because the government didn't allow competitors to build phone lines. Same with electric companies/power lines 100 years ago.

My point still stands. The whole idea of a Monopoly is stupid. If one company creates a product that "monopolizes" the market, then charges outrageous prices, what is to stop someone else from creating something similar and charging half the price? Nothing, and there goes your monopoly.

No I am Talking about http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f200400/200457.htm after the settlement MS, lost all ability to control third Party Programs on any Windows Platform.... which prevented it from Disallowing blocking of Developers from developing on Apple like it used too. and If you think the whole idea is stupid..... Go read a damn History textbook....and look Up Rockefeller, he was also the richest man in the world also, and after him the laws were passed. And you know why you cant cut the prices? because you cant afford it, Unlike MS who can take temporary losses, smaller Companies cant.
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A government has the responsibility of protecting its people and enforces this by making sure that a monopoly like Microsoft doesn't pick on the citizens by charging prices that are out place or having monopolistic strategies.
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[QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.cobrax25
No it would....Look at Linux OS's...tons of distributions yet the majority run on the same hardware, and can use the same programs.

Are you serious? Yes they're different distributions but the underlying OS is still the same - LINUX.
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.hubertd
No it would....Look at Linux OS's...tons of distributions yet the majority run on the same hardware, and can use the same programs.

Are you serious? Yes they're different distributions but the underlying OS is still the same - LINUX.

yes, but the underlying OS is open source, meaning that Its modified basically every time a new distribution is released. The Core code of Linux OS's, macs, and many others are still all the same (Unix) yet that doesn't mean they will run on the same hardware.
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well iv seen in many threads that microsoft get constantly sued for monopolizing the OS market but why is this illegal.faisal12345

I'm not 100% cetain, but there is no actual law against having a monopoly.  MS gets into trouble because they abuse their monopoly power to gouge customers and licensed users (ie. towns/governments) and because they abuse their power by preventing future competition from ever getting started.  It was anti-competitive practices that got MS in trouble...it's against the law.  Being a monopoly isn't really illegal so much as the problems monopolies inevitably cause.

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="StephenKing_1"]Last I checked, Windows wasn't the only OS available. MS has never had a monopoly, and have no means to prevent any company from creating their own Operating system, word processor, office utilities, etc. Monopolys only exist when they are government sanctioned.StephenKing_1

No you are absolutly wrong. Even a court ruling said they did. and yes, before the settlement, MS was infact preventing certain Companies from developing for Windows, as long as they also developed for another OS. Which made Developing for Apple, virtually impossible.

 

and Monopolies dont only exist under goverment sanctions.

 

Boing, AT&T, and many othes were all at one point convicted of Violating Anti-Trust laws.

You mean the court ruling that was in effect a slap on the wrist?  The courts say all kinds of stupid things that make no sense.  Windows is owned/created by Microsoft.  If they make it impossible for someone to develop for it, then so be it.  It's their program.  Nobody should step in and say what MS can and cannot allow on their own program.  I don't believe Ipods can play wma files.  Apple should be sued.  Don't know about Boeing, but AT&T was a monopoly, and only because the government didn't allow competitors to build phone lines.  Same with electric companies/power lines 100 years ago. 

My point still stands.  The whole idea of a Monopoly is stupid.  If one company creates a product that "monopolizes" the market, then charges outrageous prices, what is to stop someone else from creating something similar and charging half the price?  Nothing, and there goes your monopoly. 

1) The court ruling was not a slap in the wrist.  It would have forced MS to split its company into smaller parts and force each part to fairly compete in the field they specialize in.  This would make it much harder for MS to abuse its power.  This is why MS fought it so hard and was about ot appeal before conservatives took over and let MS off the hook.

2) You actually are saying that courts make no sense?  I don't see you going to law school any time soon.  But I'm sure you know the rules and the law better than the courts.

3) Clearly you have no idea what the issues are or what the laws are.  Yet it doesn't stop you from forming an irrationally strong opinion on it.  Interesting.

4) The problem isn't technically the monopoly.  The problem is the temptation for every single corporation ever to abuse that monopoly's power to maintain an iron grip on the market.  There is nothing wrong with MS's product monopolizing the market.  The problem comes when MS uses that monopoly to attempt controlling other businesses, squashing competitiong, engaging in anti-competitive practices, etc, etc, etc. 

There is nothing wrong with MS being a monopoly.  There IS something wrong with MS telling companies that if they want to make a program for any PC that uses Windows then they can't do other things.  Why?  Because it forces a company with a product MS likes to either be controlled by MS or to essentially risk bankruptcy.  There IS something wrong with MS using their windows monopoly to prevent companies like netscape, firefox, etc. from gaining a foothold in the market by offering their own product free with windows.

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#47 hubertd
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[QUOTE="hubertd"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.cobrax25
No it would....Look at Linux OS's...tons of distributions yet the majority run on the same hardware, and can use the same programs.

Are you serious? Yes they're different distributions but the underlying OS is still the same - LINUX.

yes, but the underlying OS is open source, meaning that Its modified basically every time a new distribution is released. The Core code of Linux OS's, macs, and many others are still all the same (Unix) yet that doesn't mean they will run on the same hardware.

Have you seen a Linux that's been modified as much so that you can compare it to "Unix modified to become a MAC OS"?
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#48 ufopuller
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Think of the number of laptops and PC that come with Microsoft Windows as the OS (most)

 

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#49 Skippyj9
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Because it's illegal for one company to control an entire market in the US, just look it up on wikipedia or something.nacademy
Actually, it's illegal in almost all industrialized countries. And I think it's quite ignorant that some people can't see why a monopoly is bad... what if Wal-Mart monopolized stores? There would be nothing but cheap Wal-Mart products and bad benefits for workers. Microsoft does not yet have a monopoly though... Apple controls 2% of the market and that number has been going up slightly lately.
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#50 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="hubertd"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]This is one situation where a monopoly benefits the industry and consumers as a whole. Imagine if there were many different operating systems to buy, it would be a compatibility nightmare for programs and hardware and for businesses.hubertd
No it would....Look at Linux OS's...tons of distributions yet the majority run on the same hardware, and can use the same programs.

Are you serious? Yes they're different distributions but the underlying OS is still the same - LINUX.

yes, but the underlying OS is open source, meaning that Its modified basically every time a new distribution is released. The Core code of Linux OS's, macs, and many others are still all the same (Unix) yet that doesn't mean they will run on the same hardware.

Have you seen a Linux that's been modified as much so that you can compare it to "Unix modified to become a MAC OS"?

what? Unix is an alternative to the original DOS. Much like DOS, is the framework behind Windows.... Unix is the framework to Linux, Macs, cell phones, and many other products. What you see when you look at a monitor, is simply a visual representation of DOS, or UNIX.