Why does KILLZONE 2 s**k (read the dam post before posting)

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

It might not suck, but sequels to bad games usually do, so based on previous experience I'm going to assume that it'll suck.OremLK

READ THE POST

I read your post. It did nothing to convince me.

Also, your caps button seems to be stuck, might want to look into that.

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

tango90101

hes saying shut up and look at how much money and man power sony is giving them.

I read your post. It did nothing to convince me.

Also, your caps button seems to be stuck, might want to look into that.

OremLK

LOL YEA SORRY MY CAPS BUTTON IS STUCK, i cant help to laugh at your fanboyism in thinking that Killzone 2 sucks like killzone 1

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

tango90101

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

The back story of Killzone 1 and Killzone 2 are too different to go along with "First 1 sux, so second will too"

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

ff7isnumbaone

hes saying shut up and look at how much money and man power sony is giving them.

lol also look at what we have already seen... dam fanboys are in denial acting like we still know NOTHING about killzone 2

If cows are hyping it you just know it going to be good! Just look at their track record hyping games this year :)TiberiusKane

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

onewiththegame

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

Most of the System War postersdon't care about common sense.

Killzone 2 is not in the same league as was Killzone 1.

cows will just say the developers have learned their lesson and improved in killzone2 and that they're track record means nothing... ( of course even when bungie did very well with halo1 and halo2..cows STILL said they both sucked and that halo3 will flop)

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

JAMES_L_BROOKS

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? Is it really going to have outstanding multiplayer, 4 player online coop, map editing features and the ability to record/play/save and share files to pc's? Probably not. Maybe it's not completly fair to compare Halo 3 to Killzone 2, but how can you expect people to be excited about a bare bones game like Killzone 2 when other games on the market offer so much more. Not much has been announced about Killzone 2 yet, but they have yet to release news on anything that is going to distinguish this game from any other shooter. Maybe it will be a great game...on the ps3. But I guess 360 fans are just used to having "more".

People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?). So little information on this game has been given, graphics is pretty much all there is to hype at this point. You are asking for reasons why this game will be suck...how about you give me reasons why this game won't flop? Graphics prove nothing.

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color). 360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

JAMES_L_BROOKS

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

you think thats proof? I like to play a game before I judge it sorry

when it comes out and its killer I'll give props until than they get nothing

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

bezaire2005

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

onewiththegame

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

you think thats proof? I like to play a game before I judge it sorry

when it comes out and its killer I'll give props until than they get nothing

you offically are not allowed to hype games anymore, you have said you give nothing until you play it

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

onewiththegame

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

you think thats proof? I like to play a game before I judge it sorry

when it comes out and its killer I'll give props until than they get nothing

People like you would probably make a sprinter actually win an official race before giving them a gold medal. The nerve!

When did just throwing money and manpower at a problem solve anything by itself? They haven't proved anything yet besides the info that its a rather linear futuristic squad based shooter with iffy tectures, good to great lighting and some decent particle effects. Wartzay

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

JAMES_L_BROOKS

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

same cover system, same health system, same art style....less innovative weapons. Gears of War has been out for over a year, Killzone won't be out until mid next year. LOTS of time to "knock off" the features that Gears had.

Not once did Gamespot say they "LOVED" the gameplay, althought they did have positive things to say about it. But then again, find me an anticipated game that has a preview saying that Gamespot HATED the gameplay and than maybe you will have a valued point. Besides...they should like the gameplay, Gears of War got great reviwes LOL.

I guess we have to "JUST WAIT"...RIGHT COWS?????????

you offically are not allowed to hype games anymore, you have said you give nothing until you play itJAMES_L_BROOKS

What if the game is from a developer with a long record of AAA games? e.g. Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, Irrational ect. That's the issue here. Most people think it's more likely a meteor would hit them then Guerrilla make a good game and until they earn respect by making good games it's going to stay that way.

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

bezaire2005

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

same cover system, same health system, same art style....less innovative weapons. Gears of War has been out for over a year, Killzone won't be out until mid next year. LOTS of time to "knock off" the features that Gears had.

lol 1 gears was not 1st to use cover system, number 2 the lack of HUD, has been thought of and was even shown in the 2005 CGI, killzone 2 art style is darkof killzone 1 nazi WWI/ WWII style)...now its just a bit darker, what was inovative in gears that hasnt been done before, maybe the chainsaw gun? lol, but you could say that for anythign, like no halo weapon is innovative lol... dam fanboys

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

TiberiusKane

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

you think thats proof? I like to play a game before I judge it sorry

when it comes out and its killer I'll give props until than they get nothing

People like you would probably make a sprinter actually win an official race before giving them a gold medal. The nerve!

I'm a douche bag what can I say

It might not suck, but sequels to bad games usually do, so based on previous experience I'm going to assume that it'll suck.OremLK

This should pretty much end the "1st one sucked, 2nd one must suck" excuse :

Here

and

Here

It hasn't come out yet, so it can't suck or be awesome. So far the graphics look good, but it takes a lot more than good graphics to make a good game.

I REALLY HOPE THE GAME IS FANTASTIC, but I have my doubts:

1.There's never been a AAA FPS on any Playstation platform (RFOM is 87% on Gamerankings). AA FPS's on the PC/Xbox platformsare so common, they're hardly worth playing.

2.Guerrilla Games has brought us Killzone 1 and Shellshock Nam 67 which both sucked. Now that GG is Sony owned...again, Sony has never produced a AAA FPS.

As a general rule, I look forward to games that are produced by delevopers that have a strong history of producing superb work. I'm not impressed with screenshots/videos of games that have not been released yet.

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]you offically are not allowed to hype games anymore, you have said you give nothing until you play itTiberiusKane

What if the game is from a developer with a long record of AAA games? e.g. Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, Irrational ect. That's the issue here. Most people think it's more likely a meteor would hit them then Guerrilla make a good game and until they earn respect by making good games it's going to stay that way.

Exactly. And saying that it's a "completely different company" doesn't help either. Do they have any good games? Wait, they haven't released any games, you say? Well, gosh, I guess I should jump on the bandwagon right now, then!

[QUOTE="OremLK"]It might not suck, but sequels to bad games usually do, so based on previous experience I'm going to assume that it'll suck.thejakel11225

This should pretty much end the "1st one sucked, 2nd one must suck" excuse :

Here

and

Here

I said "usually", I didn't say "always". I had already thought of Hitman when I made my first post, so I knew what your links were going to be. Just because something happens once or twice, or even three times out of a hundred, that doesn't mean it's likely to happen in most other situations.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

JAMES_L_BROOKS

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

same cover system, same health system, same art style....less innovative weapons. Gears of War has been out for over a year, Killzone won't be out until mid next year. LOTS of time to "knock off" the features that Gears had.

lol 1 gears was not 1st to use cover system, number 2 the lack of HUD, has been thought of and was even shown in the 2005 CGI, killzone 2 art style is darkof killzone 1 nazi WWI/ WWII style)...now its just a bit darker, what was inovative in gears that hasnt been done before, maybe the chainsaw gun? lol, but you could say that for anythign, like no halo weapon is innovative lol... dam fanboys

lol 1 where exactlyd id I say that gears was the 1st to use the cover system? I never did, so you've wasted my time. They are essentially using the same cover system that was used in Gears...that's all I said.

2. same HUD system...undeniable fact. Along with the cover system, Killzone 2 is still using the same elements that made Gears of War. It doesn't matter if they were innovative or not...all that matters is that Killzone 2 recycles them.

3. Same art style...deal with it.

4. Ya...because a huge gun that interacts with hovering satelites that shoot a lazer beam down from outer space is in no way innovative....

lol fanboys.

[QUOTE="TiberiusKane"]

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]you offically are not allowed to hype games anymore, you have said you give nothing until you play itOremLK

What if the game is from a developer with a long record of AAA games? e.g. Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, Irrational ect. That's the issue here. Most people think it's more likely a meteor would hit them then Guerrilla make a good game and until they earn respect by making good games it's going to stay that way.

Exactly. And saying that it's a "completely different company" doesn't help either. Do they have any good games? Wait, they haven't released any games, you say? Well, gosh, I guess I should jump on the bandwagon right now, then!

okay well a small portion of that dev team in a short time made killzone liberation...thats the history ofsome ofthe new GG

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

bezaire2005

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

same cover system, same health system, same art style....less innovative weapons. Gears of War has been out for over a year, Killzone won't be out until mid next year. LOTS of time to "knock off" the features that Gears had.

lol 1 gears was not 1st to use cover system, number 2 the lack of HUD, has been thought of and was even shown in the 2005 CGI, killzone 2 art style is darkof killzone 1 nazi WWI/ WWII style)...now its just a bit darker, what was inovative in gears that hasnt been done before, maybe the chainsaw gun? lol, but you could say that for anythign, like no halo weapon is innovative lol... dam fanboys

lol 1 where exactlyd id I say that gears was the 1st to use the cover system? I never did, so you've wasted my time. They are essentially using the same cover system that was used in Gears...that's all I said.

2. same HUD system...undeniable fact. Along with the cover system, Killzone 2 is still using the same elements that made Gears of War. It doesn't matter if they were innovative or not...all that matters is that Killzone 2 recycles them.

3. Same art style...deal with it.

4. Ya...because a huge gun that interacts with hovering satelites that shoot a lazer beam down from outer space is in no way innovative....

lol fanboys.

then why the F*** would you say killzone 2 is copying gears, when you just admited gear ws copying other games, lol as for the rest of your arguemnts you just stopped reading my post didnt you?... lol fanboys

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

JAMES_L_BROOKS

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

Doom 3 looked amazing in its previews too, and we know how that turned out. Most people don't think Killzone 2 will suck, but they're highly skeptical as to whether or not it will be the boon to the PS3 that many cows make it out to be.

And yes, Guerrilla's track record matters. They have something to prove.

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

D0013ER

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

Doom 3 looked amazing in its previews too, and we know how that turned out. Most people don't think Killzone 2 will suck, but they're highly skeptical as to whether or not it will be the boon to the PS3 that many cows make it out to be.

And yes, Guerrilla's track record matters. They have something to prove.

new GG small portion made KZ: L PSP (that was good)

gamespot played pre pre alpha liked it,

and yes sadly this is system wars...

that about covered it...

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

JAMES_L_BROOKS

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

same cover system, same health system, same art style....less innovative weapons. Gears of War has been out for over a year, Killzone won't be out until mid next year. LOTS of time to "knock off" the features that Gears had.

lol 1 gears was not 1st to use cover system, number 2 the lack of HUD, has been thought of and was even shown in the 2005 CGI, killzone 2 art style is darkof killzone 1 nazi WWI/ WWII style)...now its just a bit darker, what was inovative in gears that hasnt been done before, maybe the chainsaw gun? lol, but you could say that for anythign, like no halo weapon is innovative lol... dam fanboys

lol 1 where exactlyd id I say that gears was the 1st to use the cover system? I never did, so you've wasted my time. They are essentially using the same cover system that was used in Gears...that's all I said.

2. same HUD system...undeniable fact. Along with the cover system, Killzone 2 is still using the same elements that made Gears of War. It doesn't matter if they were innovative or not...all that matters is that Killzone 2 recycles them.

3. Same art style...deal with it.

4. Ya...because a huge gun that interacts with hovering satelites that shoot a lazer beam down from outer space is in no way innovative....

lol fanboys.

then why the F*** would you say killzone 2 is copying gears, when you just admited gear ws copying other games, lol as for the rest of your arguemnts you just stopped reading my post didnt you?... lol fanboys

How did I stop reading your post? I commented individually on everything you said. You said asked me what weapons in Gears were innovative, so I gave you a very innovative weapon that Gears had, basically making you look like an idiot (which isn't all that difficult at this point). Than you act like it's significant that some CG crap was released in 05 that showed a no HUD....even though it was CG footage in the first place. I'm not trying to argue who thought of what idea first, because honestly you have absoluty no way of proving who thought of what idea first. My point is simple: many of the gameplay aspects in Gears are being recycled in Killzone 2. Same cover system, same art style (no color?), same health system.....all of this regardless of "who thought of it first".

lol fanboys.

Killzone as a series has a lot to prove.

Guerrilla Games as a development studio, rebuilt or not, still have a lot to prove.

Let's all just STFU and wait until it comes out. I'm sick of hearing both sides of this arguement.

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

why?

because the first one did, as did Shellshock: vietnam...

guerrilla showed they can stink up a game...now they need to PROVE they know how not to...;)

JAMES_L_BROOKS

True Story

they need to PROVE to us they are good dev's not the other way around sorry

and they have, dont act liek you havent seen the killzone 2 pre pre alpha demo that gamespot loved, and looks amazing

Doom 3 looked amazing in its previews too, and we know how that turned out. Most people don't think Killzone 2 will suck, but they're highly skeptical as to whether or not it will be the boon to the PS3 that many cows make it out to be.

And yes, Guerrilla's track record matters. They have something to prove.

new GG small portion made KZ: L PSP (that was good)

gamespot played pre pre alpha liked it,

and yes sadly this is system wars...

that about covered it...

Stop with the pre pre alpha, its not pre pre alpha anymore. If it was pre pre alpha, gamespot wouldnt have already played it. Moreover, gamespot said good things about some games that turned out bad.

Killzone as a series has a lot to prove.

Guerrilla Games as a development studio, rebuilt or not, still have a lot to prove.

Let's all just STFU and wait until it comes out. I'm sick of hearing both sides of this arguement.

BreakingPoint8

[QUOTE="OremLK"]

I read your post. It did nothing to convince me.

Also, your caps button seems to be stuck, might want to look into that.

JAMES_L_BROOKS

LOL YEA SORRY MY CAPS BUTTON IS STUCK, i cant help to laugh at your fanboyism in thinking that Killzone 2 sucks like killzone 1

all he is saying is that, for the most part, sequals to bad games arent good, whats fanboyish about that?

did he say 'killzone 2 will suck because killzone 1 will suck' offering no facts at all? no, he did not, the facts are that most games that are sequals to bad games, tend to do bad. wile kz2 has alot of hope with its 130+ devs and multi million payroll. the odds are still against it. seeing the number of poor game sequals that have been bad, compared to good sequals

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Killzone as a series has a lot to prove.

Guerrilla Games as a development studio, rebuilt or not, still have a lot to prove.

Let's all just STFU and wait until it comes out. I'm sick of hearing both sides of this arguement.

BreakingPoint8

Eh, don't listen to that BreakingPoint8 guy, he's an ass...:P

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

this ia a question for you fanboys

now let me debunk something here "killzone 1 sucked so killzone 2 will suck" is not an answer...

OLD guerilla games:

was composed of 20 devs. trained for PC. Killzone 1 was origonally on PC. the company was low-medium budget. the company was 3rd party, and had to rush killzone 1 to PS2 fast, even though they where PC devs.

New gueilla games:

composed of 135+ devs for PS3, they have had 3 years to make Killzone 2, and a budget in the high millions, they are 1st party and owned by sony.

they have produceed one of the best looking games on consles to date, even compairable with high end PC games. the gameplay has been said to be amazing by everyone who has played it, yes even gamespot liked it. the technology is very advanced, for it has a huge amount of distrucable enviorments, best lighing engine, amazing physiscs, graphics, AI (and please dont go saying ZOMG but the AIs stupid.... NOTE they where playing hte demo on easy, and on GOD MODE)... lol

last but not least it was all real time :P

so fanboys why does killzone 2 suck? (i want real reasons.... not 1 sentance saying "that just the way fanboys are and crap")

JAMES_L_BROOKS

People bashed Halo 3 basically for not being completly different than the previous 2 installments (why sony fanboys expect Bungie to stray far from a proven AAA formula is beyond me), but the same kidn of reasoning can EASILY be applied to Killzone 2. Aside from graphics, what does this game bring to the table? People have spent hours and hours hyping the graphics since day one, but since then there have been consistent flopping of games that have been hyped on graphics (Lair?).

The game is basically a Gears of War knockoff with less innovative weapons. It uses a very similar cover system, an identical health system, and a very similar art style (no color).360 fans have basically already played this game over ayear ago, so can you really blame them for not being excited about it?

everyone LOVED gameplay including GAMESPOT, and in systemwars dont forget lemming we always run by gamespot RIGHT LEMMINGS????????? lol i like how you say gears of war knockoff... LOL killzone 2 has been in development since before gears was thought of

lol Lair makes you look like an idiot. Gamespot praised Lair in it's previews...they even hyped the gameplay lol. They had absolutly nothing negative to say about it...which absolutly destroys your argument that because Gamespot "loved" the Killzone 2 gameplay the end result is going to be positive.

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