Why did tactical shooters die?

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Poll Why did tactical shooters die? (44 votes)

Consoles 36%
Some other reason (explain) 55%
Consoles 9%

My friends, using electricity and a plug, I am currently playing a video game. Arma III. released in 3 packs the single player is now done.

As I play I think to myself "I use to love Rainbow 6: Rogue Spear, Ghost Recon, ah good times, this reminds me of them but why don't these excellent titles exist anymore?".

The gaming media apparently not giving two hoots about tactical shooters or RTS (Adam Sessler) seems to reinforce the idea that the gaming media only want to promote stupid games that will make money since a seal with no flappy flaps can play them. This seems partly the reason.

Ubisofts "redesign" of Tom Clancy games from tactical shooters to gear of war with terrorists instead of aliens ('merica!) seems to be one of the main reason. The Tom Clancy use to be very important you know!

Having a deep respect for your opinion and an admiration for your passion, rather than take my own opinion, which could be bias (it isn't) perhaps we can shed light on to as the "how" and "why" it is come to this.

Multiplayer wise, a few still exist, on pc. Single player wise, aside from arma, the genre appears to be totally dead.

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#1 PrincessGomez92
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Biased poll is biased.

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#2 santoron
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Rainbow Six killed itself with Vegas Two. What a broken buggy mess. Only game I sold last gen and I sold it in less than a week.

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#3 uninspiredcup
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@santoron said:

Rainbow Six killed itself with Vegas Two. What a broken buggy mess. Only game I sold last gen and I sold it in less than a week.

My friend, I remember specifically getting Rainbow 6: Vegas (1) at Christmas. Very exciting. Then I played it. "what the **** is this!" quickly ensued.

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#4 Evo_nine
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because they are as boring as batshit.

I would rather jam a twig up my peephole than to play one.

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#5  Edited By Spartan070
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Accessibility breeds sales so $$$

There were plenty of PC shooters that were very arcade before the FPS genre blew up on consoles. Seems hardly fair to blame consoles.

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#6  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Spartan070 said:

Accessibility breeds sales so $$$

There were plenty of PC shooters that were very arcade before the FPS genre blew up on consoles. Seems hardly fair to blame consoles.

Even looking arcade titles e.g. Doom. They, themselves became redesigned for consoles. Simplified for the most part.

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#7 PrincessGomez92
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@uninspiredcup:

Too stupid to research that game?

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#8  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@princessgomez92 said:

@uninspiredcup:

Too stupid to research that game?

Micheal, my dearest friend, no idea what is quoted. Expand chumling.

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#9  Edited By Spartan070
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This thread... ...didn't go as planned.

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#10  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Spartan070 said:

This thread... ...didn't go as planned.

Voting for "explain" and then not proceeding to "explain" counts as a null vote sadly. Currently console is winning.

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#11 Jankarcop
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Console kids

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#12  Edited By PrincessGomez92
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@uninspiredcup:

I am not your goddamn friend, nor is anyone else here. I was talking about the post where you got Vegas for Christmas.

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#13 Spartan070
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@uninspiredcup said:

@Spartan070 said:

This thread... ...didn't go as planned.

Voting for "explain" and then not proceeding to "explain" counts as a null vote sadly. Currently console is winning.

I did explain though...

@Spartan070 said:

Accessibility breeds sales so $$$

There were plenty of PC shooters that were very arcade before the FPS genre blew up on consoles. Seems hardly fair to blame consoles.

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#14  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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1st person only tactical shooters... lol

seriously though... tactical shooters died off because everyone these days don't have the attention span of a re.... LOOK A HORSE!!!!

that is why.

On another note H-Hour Worlds Elite is coming early 2015 for PC and PS4. www.sofstudios.com

guess that means they aren't dead after all ;)

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#15 187umKILLAH
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Because you play with yourself.

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#16 speedfreak48t5p
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@187umKILLAH said:

Because you play with yourself.

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#17 IgGy621985
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Tactical shooters died with SWAT 4. It had the best balance between accessibility and tactical greatness.

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#18 lamprey263
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to make the franchises more marketable and accessible to the masses

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#19 Jag85
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COD happened.

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#20 superclocked
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So much hate here for Rainbow Six Vegas 2.. R6V2 was my favorite MP shooter on PC during this last console gen...

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#21 mems_1224
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because pc gamers never supported them enough

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#22  Edited By FoxbatAlpha
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I loved the tactical shooters. A great third person one was the Conflict series. My favorite co op game of all time. Rainbow six Vegas is up there too along with the first two SOCOMS.

Why did they die? Hate to say it but ever since COD got big these games disappeared or tried to become clones.

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@Spartan070 said:

This thread... ...didn't go as planned.

lol did that really happen or is it photoshopped?

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#24 gba1989
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@IgGy621985 said:

Tactical shooters died with SWAT 4. It had the best balance between accessibility and tactical greatness.

SWAT 4 was great. The tension was really high and having the power to either kill or arrest criminals added fun to the game(in the easiest difficulty that is). "Do you feel lucky, punk?". The fun was really there.

@uninspiredcup I don't think console is entirely the one you should blame. People interest varies.

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#25 Kevlar101
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People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

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#26 lostrib
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@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

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#27  Edited By Kevlar101
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@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

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#28 Ballroompirate
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Tactical shooters died off cause you touch yourself at night

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@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

your comment is dumb. This thread is also dumb

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@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

your comment is dumb. This thread is also dumb

Kinda like you

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@SNIPER4321 said:

console happen. simple.

tactical shooter cant work on console with controller. it can only work on PC.

second thing is there were few tactical shooters in past. not many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tactical_shooter_video_games

and even from that list only 60% are tactical. rest are just market as tactical shooter

you're a dumbass troll. simple

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#33 TheTruthIsREAL
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H-Hour.

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

dumb

Elaborate.....

So much for DEVELOPERS support for teh masta race. PC fanboys who blame console gamers for games they dont want, pretty much admits that the console market rules the gaming market.

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#34 lostrib
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@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

your comment is dumb. This thread is also dumb

Kinda like you

Only on days that end in Y

But seriously you say "People blaming consoles" and then generalize that to be PC assholes. When there are like 7 people who voted console, and almost none of the people who have commented in the thread have blamed consoles.

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#35  Edited By CroidX
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Tactical shooters were never hugely popular and were targeted for a specific audience as opposed to COD which made it very accessible that anybody can pick up and play without a large learning curve.

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#36 lostrib
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@TheTruthIsREAL said:

H-Hour.

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

dumb

Elaborate.....

So much for DEVELOPERS support for teh masta race. PC fanboys who blame console gamers for games they dont want, pretty much admits that the console market rules the gaming market.

Actually PC has the most developer support. Tactical shooters has always been a small portion of the market, and seems to have gotten smaller with the advent of COD MW and people trying to replicate that kind of formula.

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#37 Kevlar101
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@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

your comment is dumb. This thread is also dumb

Kinda like you

Only on days that end in Y

But seriously you say "People blaming consoles" and then generalize that to be PC assholes. When there are like 7 people who voted console, and almost none of the people who have commented in the thread have blamed consoles.

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#38 lostrib
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@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

@lostrib said:

@Kevlar101 said:

People are actually blaming consoles ? Seriously?

As if PC assholes couldn't get any worse.

dumb

Elaborate.....

your comment is dumb. This thread is also dumb

Kinda like you

Only on days that end in Y

But seriously you say "People blaming consoles" and then generalize that to be PC assholes. When there are like 7 people who voted console, and almost none of the people who have commented in the thread have blamed consoles.

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#39  Edited By steamistrash
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Why did twitch shooters die?

1 WORD

CASUALS!

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#40 pelvist
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They took games with established names in hopes of creating a new and bigger audience for them. In the process these games where butchered and turned into completely different games based on whatever the publishers thought would sell at the time. Although most are not true to the original games, some turned out to be decent in their own right like Fallout did but most just ended up being shit, like Rainbow 6 Vegas.

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#41 GiveMeSomething
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Cuz they arent fast paced and yoloswag

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#42 CloudStrife213
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Ever heard of Tom Clancy's The Division? It's a an upcoming third-person tactical shooter action role-playing video game.

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#43 MirkoS77
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Not to be too offensive......but because they require thinking and patience? People just want to pop a game in after a long day at work and blow shit up. An over-generalization, sure, but I think there's a lot of truth in it.

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#44  Edited By Shmiity
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They probably just don't move units. I love them. But the generic, stupid ass hole gaming community doesn't like them.

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#45 cfisher2833
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@santoron said:

Rainbow Six killed itself with Vegas Two. What a broken buggy mess. Only game I sold last gen and I sold it in less than a week.

Rainbow Six Vegas is NOT a tactical shooter. The differences between it and a true tactical shooter like Rainbow Six Ravenshield are immense--and I mean IMMENSE.

Regardless, Rainbow Six Ravenshield is still a fine looking and playing game to this date. Just go back and revisit it. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again. First off, it doesn't work well on consoles given the multitude of controls and mouse focused elements such as being able to plot out what individual teams do during the mission (you really need the editor for this, and the editor only works well with a mouse).

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Because a great majority of FPS players suck and need noob friendly features like marty/noob-tubes/dogs/auto-aim/recharging shields-health and titan-drops so they don't rage quit 10 minutes in.

You would think people would get better after owning the same starter FPS for the 7th time.... nope....

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#47 cfisher2833
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@CloudStrife213 said:

Ever heard of Tom Clancy's The Division? It's a an upcoming third-person tactical shooter action role-playing video game.

You obviously never played games like Swat or Rainbow Six Ravenshield. The Division is not remotely close to the sort of game those were.

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#48  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@cfisher2833 said:

@CloudStrife213 said:

Ever heard of Tom Clancy's The Division? It's a an upcoming third-person tactical shooter action role-playing video game.

You obviously never played games like Swat or Rainbow Six Ravenshield. The Division is not remotely close to the sort of game those were.

I've played Rainbow: Six Vegas, Ghost Recon 1, Ghost Recon 2, and SWAT. How can you say that I've never played these kinds of games? In fact, SWAT and Rainbow : Six Vegas are both top on my list of best tactical shooters.

And yes, Rainbow : Six Vegas is a tactical shooter to me, and a lot of other people, including its own developers. Even though you define it as not such, who are you to define what a tactical shooter is?

Also, The Division doesn't have to be remotely close to any of those games, it's not like those games should fully define what a tactical shooter is. Tactical shooters can evolve and change, like any other genre of game.

Tom Clancy's The Division is a tactical shooter, no matter which way you cut it. Even if your standards of what a tactical shooter is let down.

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#49  Edited By Wasdie  Moderator
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I swear ArmA 3 came out last year.

Do you like to ignore these things?

You don't impress anybody with your constant belittling of games and the people who enjoy those games.

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#50  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Wasdie said:

I swear ArmA 3 came out last year.

Do you like to ignore these things?

You don't impress anybody with your constant belittling of games and the people who enjoy those games.

Regarding your excellent point regarding the release date (regarding), this is true! However the final episodic campaign was released only a week or two ago. Much like with the Walking Dead Season two, I would indeed rather just wait till the whole things done, serialized chippy chops waste of time.