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#1 AznKSor
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You got Europe,Middle East,Pacific(Islands) , Artic. But what about Vietnam. Vietnam has an amazing environment.Vietnam has modern and WWII weapons. So why not use it. :P

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#2 Dead-Memories
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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/vietcong/index.html?tag=result;title;0

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#3 Rhino53
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There are Vietnam games, they just suck

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#4 BrunoBRS
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because the americans lost that one.

EDIT: but it's worth pointing out that there are a few vietnam games. hell, bad company 2 is getting/already got a vietnam DLC, and black ops will have vietnam stuff going on.

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#5 AznKSor
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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/vietcong/index.html?tag=result;title;0

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Ahh you corrected me.

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#6 AznKSor
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because the americans lost that one.BrunoBRS
I was gonna say that but i thought people were gonna make fun of me for that statement.

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#7 II_Seraphim_II
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I dunno to be honest. I actually like the Vietnam setting. Maybe its because there are still a lot of Vietnam war vets alive today? I mean apart from MOH the latest one, fictional wars are used or wars where 99% of the combatants are already dead (WW2), and we all know the slack MOH got. Same applies for that game 6 days in Fallujah. Or maybe they dont think Vietnam will sell all that well? I personally like the jungle setting...But do u know what I want to see in a Vietnam war game? I want to be able to play as the Vietcong if you so choose to and maybe add in some environmental hazards. Like poisonous flora/fauna and stuff like that...it would be more immersive but hard to implement :P
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#8 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]because the americans lost that one.AznKSor

I was gonna say that but i thought people were gonna make fun of me for that statement.

*points at edit* i just like to point that out. and it IS the reason too. but they're running out of wars to make games of, which is why fictional russian terrorists (seriously, still with the russians?) are being invented.
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#9 felipebo
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I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

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#10 Lto_thaG
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I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

felipebo
Say it.Who cares what people here will say.
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#11 hexashadow13
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Vietnam is fine, but it wasn't really a whole war. The entire war was the cold war. And a game that encompasses all of it would be amazing. That's why, even though I hate CoD and Activision I'm getting Black Ops. It's set in my dream setting.
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#12 felipebo
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

Lto_thaG

Say it.Who cares what people here will say.

Because the USA ran away from Vietnam with their tails between their legs.

*runs*

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#13 AznKSor
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Vietnam is fine, but it wasn't really a whole war. The entire war was the cold war. And a game that encompasses all of it would be amazing. That's why, even though I hate CoD and Activision I'm getting Black Ops. It's set in my dream setting.hexashadow13
Battlefield Bad Company 2 Vietnam my friend.

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#14 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="felipebo"]

I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

felipebo

Say it.Who cares what people here will say.

Because the USA ran away from Vietnam with their tails between their legs.

*runs*

Lol.Who is running now :P
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#15 AznKSor
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] Say it.Who cares what people here will say.Lto_thaG

Because the USA ran away from Vietnam with their tails between their legs.

*runs*

Lol.Who is running now :P

The USA :P

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#16 Vinegar_Strokes
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don't worry... im sure after black ops is a massive success we will see PLENTY of them, in fact in a few years you'll be complaining there is too many of them

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#17 JohnF111
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They just weren't as mainstream as Black Ops or BC2: Vietnam... They were hidden amongst the now outdated WWII games....
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#18 IndianaPwns39
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The Vietnam War doesn't have the weight of other conflicts so people don't usually show too much interest in the fact. Most people, here in America, still have no idea why we even fought that war.

But Nazis? Everyone hates Nazis. Everyone wants to shoot a Nazi in the face (repeatedly).

Same goes for Communism and the Cold War rivalry we had with Russia. Even though the Russians aren't communistic anymore, a lot of people don't care.

The only reason games like Medal of Honor exist is because that's the war going on now, and so people know about it. But Vietnam and Korean War games are rare because people either don't know the reasoning or don't remember.

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#19 millerlight89
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I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually.
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#20 Dead-Memories
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I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

felipebo
it was just LBJ's foolishness that lost us the war, we had no reason to be there in the first place :lol:
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#21 oldkingallant
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Well on one end I can tell you why American companies don't make Vietnamese games usually.... we lost and therefore no one wants to talk about it. Why do you think there are so many WWII games? Well America was kinda of the hero of WWII so we like to constantly revisit it.

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#22 jun_aka_pekto
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It'd take a game with Crysis-like foliage to make a Vietnam War scenario effective unless it's something like the Tet Offensive.

Whenever I play that game, I sometimes pretend I'm VC setting up boobytraps and ambushes for ARVN troops.

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#23 Rhino53
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

I wanna say it, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm sure most people know why.

Dead-Memories

it was just LBJ's foolishness that lost us the war, we had no reason to be there in the first place :lol:

yeah, the whole war was kinda a big cluster****

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#24 AznKSor
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I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. millerlight89
Did you have a Vietnam Vet family member?

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I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. millerlight89
it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.
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#26 AznKSor
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. BrunoBRS
it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

We had no purpose to go there. But LBJ said, we have to go because they are Communist :P

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#27 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. BrunoBRS
it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

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#28 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. AznKSor

it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

We had no purpose to go there. But LBJ said, we have to go because they are Communist :P

actually there is a reason... just the vietnamese have practically nothing to do with it :P
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. jun_aka_pekto

it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

say that to the veterans that became drug addicts and go nuts at anything louder than fingersnapping.
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#30 thom_maytees
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We are going off-topic here and delving into politics. We can discuss about the politics of the Vietnam Wars in the Off-Topic Disucssion forum.
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#31 Lto_thaG
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We are going off-topic here and delving into politics. We can discuss about the politics of the Vietnam Wars in the Off-Topic Disucssion forum.thom_maytees
No,pleaseeeee :cry:

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#32 BrunoBRS
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We are going off-topic here and delving into politics. We can discuss about the politics of the Vietnam Wars in the Off-Topic Disucssion forum.thom_maytees
well that's what happens when someone asks why there aren't games set on vietnam war. it's bound to happen :P
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#33 Rhino53
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We are going off-topic here and delving into politics. We can discuss about the politics of the Vietnam Wars in the Off-Topic Disucssion forum.thom_maytees

So........ games, they're fun

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. jun_aka_pekto

it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

Interesting statement. Did you see the footage of the war for yourself? What would YOUR opinion be in that time? And sorry to say it but U.S.A. lost in both wars, the battlefield and the public opinion/politics. That's not an opinion but a fact.
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#35 ixkingxr
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We lost cause of politically not on the battlefield... they got theirs worse than we got ours.

edit: political reasons not politcally =p

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. jun_aka_pekto

it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

Pretty much, the overwhelming pressure from the public forced the US back home despite a treaty having been reached. Supposedly, the treaty stated that if the NVA invaded South Vietnam again the US would come back, but the backlash from the punlic kept them from doing so. Sadly as bad as it was in South Vietnam, it only got worse (at least immediately afterwards) when they invaded again, meaning tons of dead and displaced civilians.

Anyways, even the mighty must fall occasionally, I'm surprised Vietnam is the only major war the US has lost in. The British had their butts handed to them way more when they were the supreme world power.

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#37 Sp4rtan_3
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Most Vietnam games suck, Plus Americans dont care about Vietnam, Koren or the Gulf war.
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#38 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.BrunoBRS

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

say that to the veterans that became drug addicts and go nuts at anything louder than fingersnapping.

Sorry for those vets. But, I've seen others like them who were in Desert Storm and we can't positively say the US lost that one. War, whether we lose it or not, will always produce casualties like them. The Korean war had them. WW2 had them. Earlier than that, I don't know.

I've spent enough time visiting VA clinics. So, I see a lot of these vets dating back from WW2 to the present.

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it was a war that a lot of people didn't approve of and the outcome was not good for the US.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

jun_aka_pekto

say that to the veterans that became drug addicts and go nuts at anything louder than fingersnapping.

Sorry for those vets. But, I've seen others like them who were in Desert Storm and we can't positively say the US lost that one. War, whether we lose it or not, will always produce casualties like them. The Korean war had them. WW2 had them. Earlier than that, I don't know.

I've spent enough time visiting VA clinics. So, I see a lot of these vets dating back from WW2 to the present.

now remember that they weren't fighting nazis or another army. they were fighting people with knives and weapons stolen from dead bodies. and again, the number of casualties was too much for the US to handle, they had to keep numbers somewhat safe in case of a communist invasion. objective of the war was not met, they had to back away, that's the definition of losing the war to me.
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#41 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. BrunoBRS
it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

American troops didn't get "pwned" dude -___- We won every ground battle the Vietcong/ North Vietnamese throw at us. We just lost when it came to domestic and political support.
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#42 RadecSupreme
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There are some but arent really good. I dream of a perfected Vietnam game with story modes for USA,South Nam, Vietcong, and NVA.

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#43 AznKSor
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love the USA bashing in this thread. Really insulting actually. Sp4rtan_3
it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.

American troops didn't get "pwned" dude -___- We won every ground battle the Vietcong/ North Vietnamese throw at us. We just lost when it came to domestic and political support.

Yet. We really didnt have a GOOD reason to go. ;)

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Vietcong was quite good once you got past some of the weirdness that came with it. Some really solid gunplay and enemy A.I.

Sometimes games where you play as the losers are very interesting, take BiA: Hells Highway for example. Makes for a good 'out numbered and out gunned' scenario.

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#45 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.Locutus_Picard

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

Interesting statement. Did you see the footage of the war for yourself? What would YOUR opinion be in that time? And sorry to say it but U.S.A. lost in both wars, the battlefield and the public opinion/politics. That's not an opinion but a fact.

War is brutal. What did you expect? Soldiers and civilians die in wars. The most celebrated US victories are bathed in blood not just of US servicemen, but the blood of everybody else. There's nothing pretty about war.

My Pop was an SP in Da Nang when the Tet offensive hit. Nothing to do but hide and survive after emptying his .45 and all he had left was a billy club. He did nothing heroic. He merely survived and I'm happy he did and made it home.

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#46 AznKSor
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Off-Topic: This year I am dressing up as the Vietcong :P

Next Year im going to dress up as a Japanese Kamakazi :lol:

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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] it's not really bashing, it's just the fact that americans went there and got pwnt, so they ran away and pretend it didn't happen. that's what history books say, not people.AznKSor

American troops didn't get "pwned" dude -___- We won every ground battle the Vietcong/ North Vietnamese throw at us. We just lost when it came to domestic and political support.

Yet. We really didnt have a GOOD reason to go. ;)

Ok ? And ? The troops did all that we asked of them there but the american people and government just didnt hold. Its not the troops fault we lost in Vietnam. But as someone said before we're getting OT so, Ill just say there isn't many vietnam themed games because the audience isn't there for one.
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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

The US didn't get owned in the battlefields of Vietnam. They got owned in the war of politics and public opinion.

jun_aka_pekto

Interesting statement. Did you see the footage of the war for yourself? What would YOUR opinion be in that time? And sorry to say it but U.S.A. lost in both wars, the battlefield and the public opinion/politics. That's not an opinion but a fact.

War is brutal. What did you expect? Soldiers and civilians die in wars. The most celebrated US victories are bathed in blood not just of US servicemen, but the blood of everybody else. There's nothing pretty about war.

My Pop was an SP in Da Nang when the Tet offensive hit. Nothing to do but hide and survive after emptying his .45 and all he had left was a billy club. He did nothing heroic. He merely survived and I'm happy he did and made it home.

it's funny you bring up the tet offensive because it was a military defeat for the communists, yet it won them the war. :lol: and i think the proportion for vietnamese killed compared to US troops was 1 us troop for every 10 vietnamese, but no one actually wins in war.
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Vietcong was quite good once you got past some of the weirdness that came with it. Some really solid gunplay and enemy A.I.

Sometimes games where you play as the losers are very interesting, take BiA: Hells Highway for example. Makes for a good 'out numbered and out gunned' scenario.

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Or Halo: Reach :P
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#50 funsohng
Member since 2005 • 29976 Posts
Because it will take a genius to make a game that is as good as Apocalypse Now.... and I wouldn't accept a Vietnam War game unless it's that good.