Why are people acting like Masseffect is a RPG?
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Masseffect is an action RPG and an action RPG is basically a hack and Slash with RPG elements Zelda is an Action RPG. Why all of a sudden are people acting like Masseffect is gonna be this RPG messiah when it's just an action RPG ? it's not even remmotly the same Action Rpg's can also go under Action Adventure. Is the 360 lineupo of tradition RPGs so small that there adding all these Action RPG's to there RPG list? Blue Dragon thats an RPG it's a turn based system . you go then the enmy goes then you go again thats the RPG's Playstation has and PS also has Action RPG's like dark cloud. it seems to me the only RPG's that Xbox is getting is with RPG elements except blue Dragon and Lost Od, you can call them RPG's all you want but Traditional RPG's fans will notice there not when we play those games.peacebringer
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Because it is an RPG. It's made by bioware, and I don't remember Zelda having conversations whose direction you can control.
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It's an RPG where you have direct control of the fighting rather than leaving it to dice rolls, nothing difficult to understand there.
Masseffect is an action RPG and an action RPG is basically a hack and Slash with RPG elements Zelda is an Action RPG. Why all of a sudden are people acting like Masseffect is gonna be this RPG messiah when it's just an action RPG ? it's not even remmotly the same Action Rpg's can also go under Action Adventure. Is the 360 lineupo of tradition RPGs so small that there adding all these Action RPG's to there RPG list? Blue Dragon thats an RPG it's a turn based system . you go then the enmy goes then you go again thats the RPG's Playstation has and PS also has Action RPG's like dark cloud. it seems to me the only RPG's that Xbox is getting is with RPG elements except blue Dragon and Lost Od, you can call them RPG's all you want but Traditional RPG's fans will notice there not when we play those games.peacebringer
Action rpgs are great and they are just as much rpgs as turn based rpgs.
So only turn-based rpgs are real rpgs?
Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
So only turn-based rpgs are real rpgs?Zuluking187
The TC has amazing logic, no?
You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectrocktimusprimeit's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.
Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
Planeforger
[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringerit's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
[QUOTE="peacebringer"]Masseffect is an action RPG and an action RPG is basically a hack and Slash with RPG elements Zelda is an Action RPG. Why all of a sudden are people acting like Masseffect is gonna be this RPG messiah when it's just an action RPG ? it's not even remmotly the same Action Rpg's can also go under Action Adventure. Is the 360 lineupo of tradition RPGs so small that there adding all these Action RPG's to there RPG list? Blue Dragon thats an RPG it's a turn based system . you go then the enmy goes then you go again thats the RPG's Playstation has and PS also has Action RPG's like dark cloud. it seems to me the only RPG's that Xbox is getting is with RPG elements except blue Dragon and Lost Od, you can call them RPG's all you want but Traditional RPG's fans will notice there not when we play those games.-KinGz-
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It's Bioware /thread.Â
[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringerit's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.
First of all, the arguement can be made that bioware is the greatest developer of all time. on gamerankings.com 4 of the top 10 RPGs of all time are made by bioware. Notice the top one is KOTOR, the only major difference between the two gameplay wise is that in ME you actually control when and where your character attacks instead of relying on dice rolls. ME is an RPG.
[QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effect-RPGamer-
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
DID you play MGS? cause every boss you gain alil more HP oh wait you prob didn't play the PS version. I know what RPG's are i played over 50 of them check my reviews i reviewed Xenogears. and in the real world we call FF and RPG not a T RPG it's an RPG and we call games like Dark cloud and Brave fencer musashi Action RPG's we don't just call and Action RPG an rpg thats all i'm saying is call it an action RPG not just say oh it's an RPG cause it's miss leading.[QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Lol, pretty much in every rpg when you get a high enough level you can kill a lot if not most of the monsters with one hit. Also, you do need to heal in action rpgs, if you are skilled enough and don't get hit, then you don't need to, but otherwise you do.
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[QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Wait, what? Games in real time don't take stratagy? What about a RTS? and I really doubt "use fire on ice creatures" takes that much strategic thought.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringer
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
DID you play MGS? cause every boss you gain alil more HP oh wait you prob didn't play the PS version. I know what RPG's are i played over 50 of them check my reviews i reviewed Xenogears. and in the real world we call FF and RPG not a T RPG it's an RPG and we call games like Dark cloud and Brave fencer musashi Action RPG's we don't just call and Action RPG an rpg thats all i'm saying is call it an action RPG not just say oh it's an RPG cause it's miss leading.Explain to me how Mass Effect has more shooting elemnts than RPG elements, because...it doesn't:| Shooting is very secondary to roleplaying.Â
[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectbman784
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
DID you play MGS? cause every boss you gain alil more HP oh wait you prob didn't play the PS version. I know what RPG's are i played over 50 of them check my reviews i reviewed Xenogears. and in the real world we call FF and RPG not a T RPG it's an RPG and we call games like Dark cloud and Brave fencer musashi Action RPG's we don't just call and Action RPG an rpg thats all i'm saying is call it an action RPG not just say oh it's an RPG cause it's miss leading.Explain to me how Mass Effect has more shooting elemnts than RPG elements, because...it doesn't:| Shooting is very secondary to roleplaying.Â
This is sounding like Metroid Prime all over again.. except adventure is replaced with role-playing :o
[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringerit's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.
No... an action rpg is still an rpg.
Elder Scrolls isn't turn based, yet there absolutely no doubt that it's an RPG.
And yes.... Jade Empire is an RPG also. As is .hack or Kingdom Hearts. Real time combat, but still RPGs
Both of which have much deeper stat-based gameplay than a game like Zelda. There, the only experience upgrades are health containers and weapons/items.Â
You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectrocktimusprime
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
-RPGamer-
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
i only hav KOTOR and Jad empire right in front of me thats all. and nither is a traditional RPG. a game like FF is an RPG yes i'm not saying there no role playing in ME i'm just saying it's not a traditional RPG and it's an action RPG and my Complaint is people are calling it a RPG. Go look at Blue dragon it say Role Playing game and RPG is short for that a turn based RPG are called RPG's and thats it. Mass effect is an action RPG and people are calling it an RPG it's not the same yes it's a type of RPG but the three letter RPG are for turn based RPG's this is a fact of websites and magazines everywhere.
Because it is an RPG. It's made by bioware, and I don't remember Zelda having conversations whose direction you can control.
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It's an RPG where you have direct control of the fighting rather than leaving it to dice rolls, nothing difficult to understand there.
flying_welshman
[QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
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RPG = Role Playing Game, which in essence every game you play a character is really an RPG, we just dont put them under that catagory.
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There are really only 2 kinds of RPG, you either 'Write the book', or 'Read a book'
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Mass Effect is as RPG as Kotor or FF.Â
it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass EffectVoodooHak
No... an action rpg is still an rpg.
Elder Scrolls isn't turn based, yet there absolutely no doubt that it's an RPG.
And yes.... Jade Empire is an RPG also. As is .hack or Kingdom Hearts. Real time combat, but still RPGs
Both of which have much deeper stat-based gameplay than a game like Zelda. There, the only experience upgrades are health containers and weapons/items.
no there not RPG"S there action RPG's theres a difefrance yes it's a type of RPG and heavly so but it's not the correct term the three letters RPG are for turn based everything else uses a sub gen like MMORPG or Action RPG but a RPG is a turn Based RPG just go type blue dragon and it'll say RPG and go look for oblivion and mass effect it says Action RPG there a differance RPG is meant to Specify a turn Based RPG since the NES dasy and the games that add RPG elemts may be RPG's but there under differant Genres' like i said amillion times it's an Action RPG and if you just say RPG a Gamers gonna think it's turn based battles but then if you tell him it's an action RPG hell be like oh that differant.[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectmis3ry
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
DID you play MGS? cause every boss you gain alil more HP oh wait you prob didn't play the PS version. I know what RPG's are i played over 50 of them check my reviews i reviewed Xenogears. and in the real world we call FF and RPG not a T RPG it's an RPG and we call games like Dark cloud and Brave fencer musashi Action RPG's we don't just call and Action RPG an rpg thats all i'm saying is call it an action RPG not just say oh it's an RPG cause it's miss leading.Explain to me how Mass Effect has more shooting elemnts than RPG elements, because...it doesn't:| Shooting is very secondary to roleplaying.
This is sounding like Metroid Prime all over again.. except adventure is replaced with role-playing :oDoes Metroid Prime have a skill/(forbidden "c" word...oh noes)system with an expansive open ended plot spanning over 200 locations with emphasis on character interaction, and shooting being more tied in with RPG mechanics than twitch shooting mechanics? Because if it did, I wouldn't call it a shooter.[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringer
No... an action rpg is still an rpg.
Elder Scrolls isn't turn based, yet there absolutely no doubt that it's an RPG.
And yes.... Jade Empire is an RPG also. As is .hack or Kingdom Hearts. Real time combat, but still RPGs
Both of which have much deeper stat-based gameplay than a game like Zelda. There, the only experience upgrades are health containers and weapons/items.
no there not RPG"S there action RPG's theres a difefrance yes it's a type of RPG and heavly so but it's not the correct term the three letters RPG are for turn based everything else uses a sub gen like MMORPG or Action RPG but a RPG is a turn Based RPG just go type blue dragon and it'll say RPG and go look for oblivion and mass effect it says Action RPG there a differance RPG is meant to Specify a turn Based RPG since the NES dasy and the games that add RPG elemts may be RPG's but there under differant Genres' like i said amillion times it's an Action RPG and if you just say RPG a Gamers gonna think it's turn based battles but then if you tell him it's an action RPG hell be like oh that differant.You have no idea what you're talking about. If you are going to call action RPGs and MMO's sub genres then you also have to make a sub genre for turn-based RPGs, the term RPG would cover all the different sub genres.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringer
You're so lost on the RPG genre that's hard to know where to start.
There is nothing that requires an RPG (western or eastern) to be TB in order to be recognized as a RPG. There is no growth of character in MGS, that is such a misguided statement, and a poor analogy to boot.
Bioware is one of the best (if not the best to some) WRPG developer out there. To say there game isn't really an RPG simply b/c it has more action oriented combat is horribly flawed.
DID you play MGS? cause every boss you gain alil more HP oh wait you prob didn't play the PS version. I know what RPG's are i played over 50 of them check my reviews i reviewed Xenogears. and in the real world we call FF and RPG not a T RPG it's an RPG and we call games like Dark cloud and Brave fencer musashi Action RPG's we don't just call and Action RPG an rpg thats all i'm saying is call it an action RPG not just say oh it's an RPG cause it's miss leading.I have played MGS on the PSX. That's not character growth. :|
Oh and I don't know what an RPG? I don't care if you've played 5 or 100, saying ME isn't an RPG is not a supported statement in the slightest.
In the real world we call Bioware's games RPGs to, wake up.
Action RPG are part of the RPG genre, what you're saying is misleading that's all I'm saying as well as pretty much everyone else in this thread.
no there not RPG"S there action RPG's theres a difefrance yes it's a type of RPG and heavly so but it's not the correct term the three letters RPG are for turn based everything else uses a sub gen like MMORPG or Action RPG but a RPG is a turn Based RPG just go type blue dragon and it'll say RPG and go look for oblivion and mass effect it says Action RPG there a differance RPG is meant to Specify a turn Based RPG since the NES dasy and the games that add RPG elemts may be RPG's but there under differant Genres' like i said amillion times it's an Action RPG and if you just say RPG a Gamers gonna think it's turn based battles but then if you tell him it's an action RPG hell be like oh that differant.
peacebringer
Action RPG, turn based, and MMORPGÂ is part of the RPG category. They are all the same type of game even with the differents.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
i only hav KOTOR and Jad empire right in front of me thats all. and nither is a traditional RPG. a game like FF is an RPG yes i'm not saying there no role playing in ME i'm just saying it's not a traditional RPG and it's an action RPG and my Complaint is people are calling it a RPG. Go look at Blue dragon it say Role Playing game and RPG is short for that a turn based RPG are called RPG's and thats it. Mass effect is an action RPG and people are calling it an RPG it's not the same yes it's a type of RPG but the three letter RPG are for turn based RPG's this is a fact of websites and magazines everywhere. You played KOTOR and say that it isn't a traditional RPG?
Have you ever played RPG with people, not only on consoles/pc?
Bioware's RPG's is what is most close to a real RPG.
 Kotor is much more RPG than FF or Blue Dragon.Â
[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpundog
No... an action rpg is still an rpg.
Elder Scrolls isn't turn based, yet there absolutely no doubt that it's an RPG.
And yes.... Jade Empire is an RPG also. As is .hack or Kingdom Hearts. Real time combat, but still RPGs
Both of which have much deeper stat-based gameplay than a game like Zelda. There, the only experience upgrades are health containers and weapons/items.
no there not RPG"S there action RPG's theres a difefrance yes it's a type of RPG and heavly so but it's not the correct term the three letters RPG are for turn based everything else uses a sub gen like MMORPG or Action RPG but a RPG is a turn Based RPG just go type blue dragon and it'll say RPG and go look for oblivion and mass effect it says Action RPG there a differance RPG is meant to Specify a turn Based RPG since the NES dasy and the games that add RPG elemts may be RPG's but there under differant Genres' like i said amillion times it's an Action RPG and if you just say RPG a Gamers gonna think it's turn based battles but then if you tell him it's an action RPG hell be like oh that differant.You have no idea what you're talking about. If you are going to call action RPGs and MMO's sub genres then you also have to make a sub genre for turn-based RPGs, the term RPG would cover all the different sub genres. yo i don't make the rules Traditional RPG's don't have a sub genre cause they were the first so there are ****fied as RPG , god why is this so hard to take in. Look up Blue Dragon and FF and other traditinal RPG's there labeled RPG's and and Mass effect is under Action RPG. RPG is a term for turn based RPG's a game just cause it has RPG elemts does not mean it's an RPG. like i said there a subgenre for them since traditional RPG's were first they are Called RPG's and a hardcore gamer like me knows this. go look on this very site Bluedragon Label RPG and other traditional rpg's also. but games they are not turnbased are called Action or MMorpg's how can i get owned if this is the truth?
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
i only hav KOTOR and Jad empire right in front of me thats all. and nither is a traditional RPG. a game like FF is an RPG yes i'm not saying there no role playing in ME i'm just saying it's not a traditional RPG and it's an action RPG and my Complaint is people are calling it a RPG. Go look at Blue dragon it say Role Playing game and RPG is short for that a turn based RPG are called RPG's and thats it. Mass effect is an action RPG and people are calling it an RPG it's not the same yes it's a type of RPG but the three letter RPG are for turn based RPG's this is a fact of websites and magazines everywhere."Traditional" to whom? Western or eastern markets. Action RPGs are in fact RPgs, hence the reason people are pointing out the "RPG" in "action RPG". No RPG is NOT short for "turn based RPG" it's short for "role playing game, period.
Example Elder Scrolls on this site is called a "Genre: Role-Playing". So there goes tha piss poor concept.
[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
MagnuzGuerra
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
i only hav KOTOR and Jad empire right in front of me thats all. and nither is a traditional RPG. a game like FF is an RPG yes i'm not saying there no role playing in ME i'm just saying it's not a traditional RPG and it's an action RPG and my Complaint is people are calling it a RPG. Go look at Blue dragon it say Role Playing game and RPG is short for that a turn based RPG are called RPG's and thats it. Mass effect is an action RPG and people are calling it an RPG it's not the same yes it's a type of RPG but the three letter RPG are for turn based RPG's this is a fact of websites and magazines everywhere.You played KOTOR and says that it isn't a traditional RPG?
Have you ever played RPG with people, not only on consoles/pc?
Bioware RPG's is what is most close to a real RPG.
Kotor is much more RPG than FF or Blue Dragon.
OMG you people are blind. RPG = the term to Describe Traditional RPG's for 20 yearsAction RPG= Games that Use RPG elemts with real time battles.
MMORPG = Online games with RPG elements in a masivly Multiplayer Online game.
I never said Mass effect wasn't a Role Playing Game i said it's an Action Role Playing game so no one owned me. I'm just educating you guys the theres a thre letter word for Turn Based RPg's and it's call RPG. anything else you must clarrify.Â
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yo i don't make the rules Traditional RPG's don't have a sub genre cause they were the first so there are ****fied as RPG , god why is this so hard to take in. Look up Blue Dragon and FF and other traditinal RPG's there labeled RPG's and and Mass effect is under Action RPG. RPG is a term for turn based RPG's a game just cause it has RPG elemts does not mean it's an RPG. like i said there a subgenre for them since traditional RPG's were first they are Called RPG's and a hardcore gamer like me knows this. go look on this very site Bluedragon Label RPG and other traditional rpg's also. but games they are not turnbased are called Action or MMorpg's how can i get owned if this is the truth?
peacebringer
So you're saying that Elder Scrolls Series=Action Games, Bioware RPGs=Action Games, Diablo Series=Action Games because JRPGS came first and get exclusive rights to the RPG moniker:? Bad...bad...argument...
I could call Elder Scrolls : Arena a 'traditional RPG' considering that it's an older game that has spawned multiple sequels that have used the same formula.
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[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]it's not a turnbased RPG wich is what people think of when you say RPG. It has RPG elemts but to call it an RPG is kinda stretching it. it's an action game with RPG elemts. by your logic Metal gear Solid is a RPG cause when you fight phsyco matis you can choose what to say to them? no it's an action RPG but not a traditional RPG wich is what Cows love. and to the guy who said it's Bioware / thread must be 10. cause bioware= not the greaest company outside of Xbox fanboys eyes. they made Jade Empire and thats an action RPG so i'm not really stocked about this game.[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]You do understand the true essence of an RPG is to play a role in story, build attributes and build a character......which you do in Mass Effectpeacebringer
No... an action rpg is still an rpg.
Elder Scrolls isn't turn based, yet there absolutely no doubt that it's an RPG.
And yes.... Jade Empire is an RPG also. As is .hack or Kingdom Hearts. Real time combat, but still RPGs
Both of which have much deeper stat-based gameplay than a game like Zelda. There, the only experience upgrades are health containers and weapons/items.
no there not RPG"S there action RPG's theres a difefrance yes it's a type of RPG and heavly so but it's not the correct term the three letters RPG are for turn based everything else uses a sub gen like MMORPG or Action RPG but a RPG is a turn Based RPG just go type blue dragon and it'll say RPG and go look for oblivion and mass effect it says Action RPG there a differance RPG is meant to Specify a turn Based RPG since the NES dasy and the games that add RPG elemts may be RPG's but there under differant Genres' like i said amillion times it's an Action RPG and if you just say RPG a Gamers gonna think it's turn based battles but then if you tell him it's an action RPG hell be like oh that differant.You have no idea what you're talking about. If you are going to call action RPGs and MMO's sub genres then you also have to make a sub genre for turn-based RPGs, the term RPG would cover all the different sub genres. yo i don't make the rules Traditional RPG's don't have a sub genre cause they were the first so there are ****fied as RPG , god why is this so hard to take in. Look up Blue Dragon and FF and other traditinal RPG's there labeled RPG's and and Mass effect is under Action RPG. RPG is a term for turn based RPG's a game just cause it has RPG elemts does not mean it's an RPG. like i said there a subgenre for them since traditional RPG's were first they are Called RPG's and a hardcore gamer like me knows this. go look on this very site Bluedragon Label RPG and other traditional rpg's also. but games they are not turnbased are called Action or MMorpg's how can i get owned if this is the truth?
You already proved my point by having to use the terms traditional and turn based RPGs. The term RPG refers to all different sub-genres, which includes turn based, action and MMO. What you're saying is like calling all football games "sports" games because they came out first and all the hockey, baseball and basketball games aren't true sports games.
You played KOTOR and says that it isn't a traditional RPG?
Have you ever played RPG with people, not only on consoles/pc?
Bioware RPG's is what is most close to a real RPG.Kotor is much more RPG than FF or Blue Dragon.
MagnuzGuerra
For that matter, his argument is flawed - KOTOR's combat is turn-based, played out in real-time.
As with most other Bioware RPGs, I'm almost certan that it had various autopause options, allowing you to play the game in fully turn-based mode.
[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]Mass Effect is made by Bioware and is advertised as an RPG, which should totally convince anyone that it will have more RPG elements than Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, etc.um no the action means it's real time combat. Turnbased is just that you take turns there an element of strategy you can just nuke things. Diablo when you got Higher levels sucked you can one shot things but a game like FF you had to choose to heal , use fire on ice creatures etc etc. this game won;t have that strategy part and if you think so wait till it comes out and you basically playing an action game with RPG elements, in the end this isn;t what Traditional RPG fans want.Hell, pretty much all JRPGs are just 'action RPGs'...only with much more linearity than western 'action RPGs'.
peacebringer
Have you played any Bioware RPGs? To say they don't have strategy is just so... *blank stare* :|
i only hav KOTOR and Jad empire right in front of me thats all. and nither is a traditional RPG. a game like FF is an RPG yes i'm not saying there no role playing in ME i'm just saying it's not a traditional RPG and it's an action RPG and my Complaint is people are calling it a RPG. Go look at Blue dragon it say Role Playing game and RPG is short for that a turn based RPG are called RPG's and thats it. Mass effect is an action RPG and people are calling it an RPG it's not the same yes it's a type of RPG but the three letter RPG are for turn based RPG's this is a fact of websites and magazines everywhere.You played KOTOR and says that it isn't a traditional RPG?
Have you ever played RPG with people, not only on consoles/pc?
Bioware RPG's is what is most close to a real RPG.
Kotor is much more RPG than FF or Blue Dragon.
OMG you people are blind. RPG = the term to Describe Traditional RPG's for 20 yearsAction RPG= Games that Use RPG elemts with real time battles.
MMORPG = Online games with RPG elements in a masivly Multiplayer Online game.
I never said Mass effect wasn't a Role Playing Game i said it's an Action Role Playing game so no one owned me. I'm just educating you guys the theres a thre letter word for Turn Based RPg's and it's call RPG. anything else you must clarrify.Â
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...and real-time rpgs are just as much rpgs as turn-based rpgs.
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