What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3?

What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

slipknot0129

The 360 has a better graphics card than the PS3

What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

slipknot0129

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What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

delta3074

the thing of nothing

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What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

delta3074

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What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

walkingdream

It has a way easier time using AA, it has more Video memory, it has less of a bottleneck problem, pretty sure it has better texture pipelines also.

TS is obviously talking about real time effects used in published real time games and all people can come up with are hardware features that provide certain development ease which can be disregarded

pretty obvious that no one can mention any

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="delta3074"]the only thing the 360 really has the edge on is onscreen AI, Halo reach can render 40 enemy plus 20 vehicle on screen AI, no game on Ps3 can do that, and before anyone says MAG, that's not onscreen AI, thats 256 seperate players, Not onscreen AI,Fightingfan

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="delta3074"]the only thing the 360 really has the edge on is onscreen AI, Halo reach can render 40 enemy plus 20 vehicle on screen AI, no game on Ps3 can do that, and before anyone says MAG, that's not onscreen AI, thats 256 seperate players, Not onscreen AI,Fightingfan

nothing

nothing

Ultizer

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nothing

Karnage108

it usually has some sort of AA, as well as the ability to upscale every game to 1080p, where as the PS3 usually runs the game in its native res. Thats more of an upscaler advantage then graphics but whatever.

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nothing

i_am_interested

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="Karnage108"] That's why 99% of multiplats look better on the 360. Karnage108

No, it most certainly was not, that was the problem.

It was originally a 360 exclusive, and SEGA got wind and didn't agree with that decision, so they made the team go PS3 as well (good thing too, judging from the sales.)

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="Karnage108"] That's why 99% of multiplats look better on the 360. Karnage108

^ I already did (Can't really call myself a lem though).

[QUOTE="Karnage108"][QUOTE="i_am_interested"] yeah, because it has absolutely nothing to do with development leading on either the PC or 360i_am_interested

please disown this guy Lems, for all our sake

Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, God of War 3! nuff said. Graphics wise, ps3 blows the 360 away. Thanks. There is no game that the 360 has that have graphics thats comparable to those games. Thanks.pstripl3

Tesselationchris_yz80

EDIT: this is also why you dont see the radeon hd 2000/3000/4000 series using dx11 or any tessalation even though they have an identical chip to what is in the 360 for tessalation.

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What graphical things does 360 have a advantage over ps3? I know theres some stuff 360 does better in graphics.

delta3074

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"]Tesselationferret-gamer

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"]Tesselationchris_yz80

It's just an ever so slight edge in the GPU for the 360. It is barely noticeable. A lot of 360 titles look brighter, sharper, and crisper due to anti-aliasing but again you can't really notice it that much. Some believe this is due to the 360 being lead sku. Guess we'll find out for sure soon as some developers are starting to use the PS3 as lead sku and porting to the 360. oh the excitement. :|

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"]Tesselationchris_yz80

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] while the 360 is capable of tessalation i believe viva piniata uses it, however it is not comparable performance wise to what you see in dx11 it is much more costly and also lacking the flexability and features. The 360 only has had it implemented in a few select games and nowhere near to the degree that you would get in dx11 games.i_am_interested

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] while the 360 is capable of tessalation i believe viva piniata uses it, however it is not comparable performance wise to what you see in dx11 it is much more costly and also lacking the flexability and features. The 360 only has had it implemented in a few select games and nowhere near to the degree that you would get in dx11 games.i_am_interested

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

ps3 doesn't use DirectX, so no.

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[QUOTE="chris_yz80"] yeah my point is still valid as teh ps3 doesnt use it, the 360 was a test bed for tesselation, and regardless of the dx tech it still increases gpu efficiency when used correctly, Im pretty sure Rreach uses it.chris_yz80

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

it always amazes how little people know about game development and graphics rendering

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] while the 360 is capable of tessalation i believe viva piniata uses it, however it is not comparable performance wise to what you see in dx11 it is much more costly and also lacking the flexability and features. The 360 only has had it implemented in a few select games and nowhere near to the degree that you would get in dx11 games.i_am_interested

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

just because you youreself are not aware of any games on ps3 that dont use tesselation doesnt mean there arent any

i_am_interested

it always amazes how little people know about game development and graphics rendering

yeah whats the image meant to show? it means nothing without the correct context

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[QUOTE="chris_yz80"] Tesselation ability is built into the hardware, and yes i am sure the ps3 can't do it. chris_yz80

it always amazes how little people know about game development and graphics rendering

yeah whats the image meant to show? it means nothing without the correct context

as ferret-gamer also points out, your claim that the ps3 CANNOT do tessellation is baseless and ill informed

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it always amazes how little people know about game development and graphics rendering

i_am_interested

yeah whats the image meant to show? it means nothing without the correct context

as ferret-gamer also points out, your claim that the ps3 CANNOT do tessellation is baseless and ill informed

yeah as has been previously said whats possible and whats preactical are generally 2 differnet things, the 360 can use tesselation without any problemsthe ps3 has with it, and to do tessealtion properly you need specific tessealtion units on the GPU.

what problems? you arent even aware of any, just like you werent even aware that the ps3 could even do it

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yeah whats the image meant to show? it means nothing without the correct context

chris_yz80

as ferret-gamer also points out, your claim that the ps3 CANNOT do tessellation is baseless and ill informed

yeah as has been previously said whats possible and whats preactical are generally 2 differnet things, the 360 can use tesselation without any problemsthe ps3 has with it, and to do tessealtion properly you need specific tessealtion units on the GPU.

This may be of interest to youhttp://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/cedec2008/PhyreEngine_CEDEC2008Speech_e.pdf

phyre does use tessellation for it's terrain by basically dedicating an entire spu to do all the calculations so the rsx is free to do its stuff along with doing some other tricks

And i hardly say that the 360 can use tessellation without any problems.

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as ferret-gamer also points out, your claim that the ps3 CANNOT do tessellation is baseless and ill informed

ferret-gamer

yeah as has been previously said whats possible and whats preactical are generally 2 differnet things, the 360 can use tesselation without any problemsthe ps3 has with it, and to do tessealtion properly you need specific tessealtion units on the GPU.

This may be of interest to youhttp://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/cedec2008/PhyreEngine_CEDEC2008Speech_e.pdf

phyre does use tessellation for it's terrain by basically dedicating an entire spu to do all the calculations so the rsx is free to do its stuff along with doing some other tricks

And i hardly say that the 360 can use tessellation without any problems.

Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

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yeah as has been previously said whats possible and whats preactical are generally 2 differnet things, the 360 can use tesselation without any problemsthe ps3 has with it, and to do tessealtion properly you need specific tessealtion units on the GPU.

NotTarts

This may be of interest to youhttp://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/cedec2008/PhyreEngine_CEDEC2008Speech_e.pdf

phyre does use tessellation for it's terrain by basically dedicating an entire spu to do all the calculations so the rsx is free to do its stuff along with doing some other tricks

And i hardly say that the 360 can use tessellation without any problems.

Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

This may be of interest to youhttp://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/cedec2008/PhyreEngine_CEDEC2008Speech_e.pdf

phyre does use tessellation for it's terrain by basically dedicating an entire spu to do all the calculations so the rsx is free to do its stuff along with doing some other tricks

And i hardly say that the 360 can use tessellation without any problems.

ferret-gamer

Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

AFAIK, the terrain mesh is generated from the heightmap information in real-time, getting more detailed as you get close to it. Maybe it's not even tesselation at all.

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[QUOTE="chris_yz80"]

This may be of interest to youhttp://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/cedec2008/PhyreEngine_CEDEC2008Speech_e.pdf

phyre does use tessellation for it's terrain by basically dedicating an entire spu to do all the calculations so the rsx is free to do its stuff along with doing some other tricks

And i hardly say that the 360 can use tessellation without any problems.

NotTarts

Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

badly optimized because it runs on 1 spu? badly optimized would be if it couldnt run on 1 spu alone and needed more

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Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

i_am_interested

I'm not hating on Sony at all. All I'm saying is that if this terrain tessellation on Phyre Engine is the same as it is in Crysis, it shouldn't even need a dedicated SPU if it was optimised properly.

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[QUOTE="NotTarts"]

Must be pretty badly optimised to have to dedicate one SPU to it. Crysis does terraintessellationjust fine on a single P4.

NotTarts

AFAIK, the terrain mesh is generated from the heightmap information in real-time, getting more detailed as you get close to it. Maybe it's not even tesselation at all.

no what crysis does is something along the lines of generating its terrian using voxels from it's heightmap then converting that for rendering and implementing an LoD system with that.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="NotTarts"] crysis doesnt use real time tessellation at all......you are thinking of normal texture LOD.

NotTarts

I'm not hating on Sony at all. All I'm saying is that if this terrain tessellation on Phyre Engine is the same as it is in Crysis, it shouldn't even need a dedicated SPU if it was optimised properly.

badly optimized would be if it required more than 1 spu to process

its runs on a single spu, thats how little its footprint is