Thanks consolites, because of you no dedicated servers for RAGE PC

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#1 scoobiesnackarf
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http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2009/11/dedicated-servers-and-rage-news-you-probably-dont-want-to-hear.html

"It's not cast in stone yet, but at this point no, we don't think we will have dedicated servers," he says.

"John Carmack, co-founder and technical wizard of the developer, says the company doesn't plan to support dedicated servers for the multiplayer component of "Rage," id's upcoming new action game."

Nice job consolites. Thanks for helping to ruin PC gaming.

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#2 tehsystemwarior
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Your welcome. :p
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#3 BPoole96
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Yep it's all of our fault. That was the plan all along. Got you good eh?

Oh and according to your sig, you own consoles. No need to thank us, just thank yourself. You contributed just as much any any of us

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#4 WilliamRLBaker
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Or it could be PC developers are figureing out they will never get money out of the elitest pc gaming masses and their calls of free every thing including FREE pc games, so they are concentrating on us console gamers whom actually show our developers support via money.

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#5 chikenfriedrice
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don't blame us dude blame the devs....maybe if PC games sold more u wouldn't have this problem

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#6 WhoIsGeez
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In your face! jk...
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#7 JangoWuzHere
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Did PC developers hit their head on a rock somehwere?

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#8 mo0ksi
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Good thing I never cared for RAGE. Sucks for those who did. But that ain't right John. Ain't right at all.
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#9 WilliamRLBaker
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Did PC developers hit their head on a rock somehwere?

JangoWuzHere
yeah the rock of realization that the rampent pc piracy indicates one thing, elitest pc gamers dont think they should have to pay money for any thing since they all ready sunk money into their gaming pc.
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#10 Jack-o-Thompson
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Whats the point of buying it now if theres no dedicated servers. :S
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Or it could be PC developers are figureing out they will never get money out of the elitest pc gaming masses and their calls of free every thing including FREE pc games, so they are concentrating on us console gamers whom actually show our developers support via money.

WilliamRLBaker

Erm... What? Yes, consolites are so much better because they pay money... So do PC gamers in fact.

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#12 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Did PC developers hit their head on a rock somehwere?

WilliamRLBaker
yeah the rock of realization that the rampent pc piracy indicates one thing, elitest pc gamers dont think they should have to pay money for any thing since they all ready sunk money into their gaming pc.

Nice blatantly ignorant generalization you have going there.
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#13 AAllxxjjnn
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I didn't even know RAGE was going to have a multiplayer side to it.
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Rage has never really been a PC centric game, even in the early days they talked about the design of the engine not being mod friendly. It looked impressive years ago but it looks meh now, low polygon characters and blurry textures. I heard the lighting is pre baked into the textures, I swear it's like we are moving backwards at times.

At the end of the day RAGE is a shooter/racing hybrid and racing games don't interest me, the shooter side may have got my interest but the game has lost its appeal over the years.

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#15 RadecSupreme
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I own a gaming PC and consoles. Does that make me a consolite?:question:

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#16 10MP
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time to put this in the do no buy pile with mw2.

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#17 lundy86_4
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OT, TC this is hardly the consolites fault. It's a business decision from the devs to move away from hosting dedicated servers. In this economic climate, it's hardly surprising, and cuts are being made in every company. It sucks, but we'll wait and see how this unfolds.

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#18 Ace6301
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Never even heard about this game but if it has more than 8 players and doesn't use dedicated servers it's going to fail in my books.
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#19 789shadow
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You'll get no sympathy from me.

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#20 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Did PC developers hit their head on a rock somehwere?

WilliamRLBaker

yeah the rock of realization that the rampent pc piracy indicates one thing, elitest pc gamers dont think they should have to pay money for any thing since they all ready sunk money into their gaming pc.

Pirated servers:
Servers - 141
Max players - 3646

Legitimate servers:
Servers - 13245
Max players - 266326

Total amount of servers: 141+13245=13386
Percentage of pirated servers: 141/13386*100=1.05%

Total amount of players: 3646+266326=269972
Percentage of pirated players: 3646/269972*100=1.35%

http://www.private-servers.info/CallOfDuty4.html
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/"

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#21 JangoWuzHere
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OT, TC this is hardly the consolites fault. It's a business decision from the devs to move away from hosting dedicated servers. In this economic climate, it's hardly surprising, and cuts are being made in every company. It sucks, but we'll wait and see how this unfolds.

lundy86_4
I thought players hosted their own dedicated servers. They don't need to put up any dedicated servers. As long as players can buy their own servers then I don't see why they can't implant this feature
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#22 KalEl370
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You're welcome. But seriously, considering past remarks about PC gaming by this guy and IW, why are PC gamers surprised? You should be thanking the PC gaming community not console players. Don't like it, don't buy it......simple.

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#23 -Tretiak
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I'm not looking forward to Rage for its multiplayer, though I really hope that this isn't becoming a trend. :|

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#24 bobbetybob
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Is it even online focused? Doesn't seem like a big deal, can't imagine many mods getting made for it...
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#25 hanslacher54
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Nice job consolites. Thanks for helping to ruin PC gaming.

scoobiesnackarf

I am very glad that I could help. :D

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#26 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

OT, TC this is hardly the consolites fault. It's a business decision from the devs to move away from hosting dedicated servers. In this economic climate, it's hardly surprising, and cuts are being made in every company. It sucks, but we'll wait and see how this unfolds.

JangoWuzHere

I thought players hosted their own dedicated servers. They don't need to put up any dedicated servers. As long as players can buy their own servers then I don't see why they can't implant this feature

Sorry my bad. I'm trying to type on my laptop and play Dragon Age on my PC :P

Yes, players host the dedicated servers for a fee.

I stand corrected :oops:

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#27 Baranga
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Rage has never really been a PC centric game, even in the early days they talked about the design of the engine not being mod friendly. It looked impressive years ago but it looks meh now, low polygon characters and blurry textures. I heard the lighting is pre baked into the textures, I swear it's like we are moving backwards at times.

At the end of the day RAGE is a shooter/racing hybrid and racing games don't interest me, the shooter side may have got my interest but the game has lost its appeal over the years.

AnnoyedDragon

Carmack said it's nod mod friendly because it requires tons of HDD space and processing power. A random mod maker can't compress and decompress hundreds of GB of data as of now, but in a few years it will be possible.

But don't doubt Carmack when it comes to graphics. Per-pixel customisation without any performance loss is revolutionary.

As for MP in Rage - who cares? It's just another bullet point. It's like MP for Fallout 3...

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#28 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

OT, TC this is hardly the consolites fault. It's a business decision from the devs to move away from hosting dedicated servers. In this economic climate, it's hardly surprising, and cuts are being made in every company. It sucks, but we'll wait and see how this unfolds.

JangoWuzHere
I thought players hosted their own dedicated servers. They don't need to put up any dedicated servers. As long as players can buy their own servers then I don't see why they can't implant this feature

Yes, there are players that literally had to cancel orders on dedicated servers as a result of the MW2 news. Lots of people petitioning IW are just saying that they have the dedicated box they're just waiting for the code to let them run it. By the way, they threw that code in the garbage, they already had it in COD4 (and likewise every id game has had dedicated servers with the exception of the failure Wolfenstein). They decided to incur an additional cost (in their own words the largest investment they've ever made into the PC version) just developing their own proprietary network structure. And the really ironic thing is that they have to now set up matchmaking servers they didn't need before just to make the matchmaking work. This is all so they can take control away from us, make our experiences worse, kill the modding, competitive, and clan communities, and ruin online performance.
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#29 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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mmm consoles :)
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#30 Unforgiven2870
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Or it could be PC developers are figureing out they will never get money out of the elitest pc gaming massesand their calls of free every thing including FREE pc games, so they are concentrating on us console gamers whom actually show our developers support via money.

WilliamRLBaker

Elaborate?

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#31 ChrisJ2004
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I'd be willing to bet that most of these games will, in the end, have DS through 3rd party utilities and such. If they can do it with far more complex MMOs, then it should be easier to do it with FPS.

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#32 Phoenix534
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Way to start a flame war between uninformed fanboys.

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#33 SLIisaownsystem
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dont get mad console people will one day weak up when they have to pay 40 bucks every month to be able to play their console.

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#34 Phoenix534
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Is it even online focused? Doesn't seem like a big deal, can't imagine many mods getting made for it...bobbetybob

Not really. I expect it to have mediocre multiplayer anyway, so I don't care. Just make a good singleplayer.

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#35 789shadow
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dont get mad console people will one day weak up when they have to pay 40 bucks every month to be able to play their console.

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It's $50, and it's yearly. Way to be informed.

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#36 IgGy621985
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The sad truth is, PC gaming's only defense is its gamers. PC gaming doesn't have some company which'll be some kind of defending voice, nor someone who'll attract developers to PC, so basically, developers can do whatever they please, and they wouldn't care if you don't like it.

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#37 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="SLIisaownsystem"]

dont get mad console people will one day weak up when they have to pay 40 bucks every month to be able to play their console.

789shadow

It's $50, and it's yearly. Way to be informed.

And it's only for Xbox 360 multiplayer. And World of Warcraft costs more.

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#38 Cherokee_Jack
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This is pretty funny in light of recent events....
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#39 Brownesque
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The sad truth is, PC gaming's only defense is its gamers. PC gaming doesn't have some company which'll be some kind of defending voice, nor someone who'll attract developers to PC, so basically, developers can do whatever they please, and they wouldn't care if you don't like it.

IgGy621985
Purpose of this thread=getting the word out. Better we be prepared now then have thousands of people pissed off at the subpar product these companies eventually kick out the door. I'm interested in seeing their real rationale behind this, though. I just can't figure out why they're doing this.
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#40 Unforgiven2870
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The sad truth is, PC gaming's only defense is its gamers. PC gaming doesn't have some company which'll be some kind of defending voice, nor someone who'll attract developers to PC, so basically, developers can do whatever they please, and they wouldn't care if you don't like it.

IgGy621985

Futuremark,Stardock,GPG,Blizzard would like to have a word with you.but anyway blaming console's for no dedicated servers on PC is as about as dumb as blaming them for no dedicated servers on MW2

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#41 IgGy621985
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[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

The sad truth is, PC gaming's only defense is its gamers. PC gaming doesn't have some company which'll be some kind of defending voice, nor someone who'll attract developers to PC, so basically, developers can do whatever they please, and they wouldn't care if you don't like it.

Unforgiven2870

Futuremark,Stardock,GPG,Blizzard would like to have a word with you.

I mean, a company which'll react when something like that happens.

Okay, DICE reacted in their own kind of way, after about three years completely ignoring the PC, the platform which virtually made them what they are today.

The truth is: more and more companies and developers are starting to stop caring about the PC, because they know it's just useless. Except Blizzard and Valve who found the formula for big money. Other 99% just don't give a damn. Honestly, if I owned a gaming company and see how my products are easily pirated, I wouldn't care for PC either.

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Or it could be PC developers are figureing out they will never get money out of the elitest pc gaming masses and their calls of free every thing including FREE pc games, so they are concentrating on us console gamers whom actually show our developers support via money.

WilliamRLBaker


Yeah... I buy all my PC games, just like so many other people do.

Who is playing pirated copies of MW2 right now? PC pirates? Nope. 360 pirates. This illusion that piracy is a "problem" on PC and not on consoles need to stop... and I expect more from Carmack. He's suffered through countless bouts of "rampant piracy" and still has made a fortune.

I highly doubt dropping deds has anything to do with piracy. I would buy RAGE on PC just to shut people like you up about PC piracy.

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#43 GTR2addict
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The sad truth is, PC gaming's only defense is its gamers. PC gaming doesn't have some company which'll be some kind of defending voice, nor someone who'll attract developers to PC, so basically, developers can do whatever they please, and they wouldn't care if you don't like it.

IgGy621985
I think Valve can speak for the PC, as a backup to gamers, afterall, i don't think ANYONE has ever supported the pc more than valve
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#44 kidcool189
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i thought RAGE was a single player focused game anyways?...
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#45 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Did PC developers hit their head on a rock somehwere?

WilliamRLBaker
yeah the rock of realization that the rampent pc piracy indicates one thing, elitest pc gamers dont think they should have to pay money for any thing since they all ready sunk money into their gaming pc.

Dedicated servers and piracy are two ENTIRELY seperate issues. The removal of deidcated servers isn't going to affect piracy one flipping bit. The only person it will affect are those that like to have as close to lag free environments as possible with their own custom server settings.
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#46 Darkmoone1
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i thought RAGE was a single player focused game anyways?...kidcool189
Same thing I was thinking.... :?:
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#47 lowe0
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I'm curious... have any of you asked what PC gamers might have to do with this, or is it just easier to blame someone else for your problems?

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#48 Ribnarak
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Yep it's all of our fault. That was the plan all along. Got you good eh?

Oh and according to your sig, you own consoles. No need to thank us, just thank yourself. You contributed just as much any any of us

BPoole96

ouch he got u there.

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#49 Arach666
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I own a gaming PC and consoles. Does that make me a consolite?:question:

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No,it makes you smart.
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#50 dontshackzmii
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no one really cares about pc gaming any more .