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#1  Edited By texasgoldrush
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Microtransactions, releasing unfinished games, DLC nickel and diming, franchise whoring, development hell, and then writing off franchises because they failed due to their own actions.

People love to bash Activision/Blizzard and EA for doing these things, but when SquareEnix does it, they look the other way (outside say Mankind Divided). See FFXV, an overpraised unfinished pile of mediocrity. Instead of grilling the company for releasing an outdated design of a game that is clearly unfinished, it gets praised for returning the franchise to form (Really, name one mainline FF game that is as unpolished and incomplete as FFXV, you really can't). SquareEnix's actions have clearly weakened Mankind Divided, and has hurt the Deus Ex franchise. And do not get me started on their mobile games, most of them are cash grab for those who eat member berries.

And in regards to DLC, they are even worse than EA as SquareEnix rips you off with small short DLC for bigger prices. See Rise of the Tomb Raider or Mankind Divided. At least EA DLC many times have substance behind them. They have the worst Season Passes in gaming by far.

And them looking at episodic games is just going to end in disaster, with them failing to understand how it works or even how Life is Strange succeeded (okay, they made a great move publishing that game and allowed DONTNOD to go with their vision, but really, EA would have let them do the same thing here).

How far they have fallen from their Squaresoft days, when they were a highly touted developer who almost always delivered quality, and when they failed, its because the idea didn't really work instead of them screwing themselves.

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#2 ConanTheStoner  Online
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> ctrl+F

> Life is Strange

> kek

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SquareEnix be wanting all them moneys.

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#5  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@ConanTheStoner said:

> ctrl+F

> Life is Strange

> kek

Yet its a SquareEnix published game....and it may have impacted Hitman and the FFVII remake.

Its Mankind Divided news and me playing FFXV I had in mind making this topic however.

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If you say so

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@aigis said:

If you say so

FFXV's unfinished-ness says so.

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Water is wet.

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Appropriate for a blog entry?

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The only thing i agree...is the mess they made with Manking Divided...aside from that, i think Square Enix is way more "OK" than let's say Konami.

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#12 Telekill
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Well duh...

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How is your sex life?

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@madsnakehhh said:

The only thing i agree...is the mess they made with Manking Divided...aside from that, i think Square Enix is way more "OK" than let's say Konami.

Final Fantasy All The Bravest?

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#15  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Telekill said:

Well duh...

should be duh, but it isn't. SquareEnix doesn't get the flak for their business practices like EA does.

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They're a big publisher, do you want a cookie or something for realising that?

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@texasgoldrush said:
@madsnakehhh said:

The only thing i agree...is the mess they made with Manking Divided...aside from that, i think Square Enix is way more "OK" than let's say Konami.

Final Fantasy All The Bravest?

Is just mobile shovelware and i think is harmless...is not like this is a main entry on the saga. FF is their most popular franchise and the are making business with it...we may not like it and the game may be trash, but that doesn't make them the antichrist.

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@madsnakehhh said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@madsnakehhh said:

The only thing i agree...is the mess they made with Manking Divided...aside from that, i think Square Enix is way more "OK" than let's say Konami.

Final Fantasy All The Bravest?

Is just mobile shovelware and i think is harmless...is not like this is a main entry on the saga. FF is their most popular franchise and the are making business with it...we may not like it and the game may be trash, but that doesn't make them the antichrist.

doesn't make them better than the rest either....in fact, they are worse than many of the companies people bash in some areas.

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#19 ShepardCommandr
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yes they are

also add Warner Bros and their scammy dlc practices to that list

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After what they did to latest Deus Ex, I think they are worse than the ones you mentioned.

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#21 madrocketeer
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Yeah. Game publishers are here to make money, not to be saints. That's just reality, and they're going to keep pulling such crap as long as they think they can get away with it.

Complaining seem to have only limited effects. Maybe people will start voting with their wallets - that might wake them up.

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@texasgoldrush said:

Microtransactions, releasing unfinished games, DLC nickel and diming, franchise whoring, development hell, and then writing off franchises because they failed due to their own actions.

People love to bash Activision/Blizzard and EA for doing these things, but when SquareEnix does it, they look the other way (outside say Mankind Divided). See FFXV, an overpraised unfinished pile of mediocrity. Instead of grilling the company for releasing an outdated design of a game that is clearly unfinished, it gets praised for returning the franchise to form (Really, name one mainline FF game that is as unpolished and incomplete as FFXV, you really can't). SquareEnix's actions have clearly weakened Mankind Divided, and has hurt the Deus Ex franchise. And do not get me started on their mobile games, most of them are cash grab for those who eat member berries.

And in regards to DLC, they are even worse than EA as SquareEnix rips you off with small short DLC for bigger prices. See Rise of the Tomb Raider or Mankind Divided. At least EA DLC many times have substance behind them. They have the worst Season Passes in gaming by far.

And them looking at episodic games is just going to end in disaster, with them failing to understand how it works or even how Life is Strange succeeded (okay, they made a great move publishing that game and allowed DONTNOD to go with their vision, but really, EA would have let them do the same thing here).

How far they have fallen from their Squaresoft days, when they were a highly touted developer who almost always delivered quality, and when they failed, its because the idea didn't really work instead of them screwing themselves.

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#23  Edited By pantypolice
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Worse than shit tier: Koonami

Shit tier: Bethesda and EA

Better: Everyone else

Square Enix make good games, that's what matters.

World of Final Fantasy, Project Setsuna, Final Fantasy 15, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Hitman, etc etc just in 2016.

Hitman games work with episodic, Hitman games are about getting levels that have a lot of complexity and freedom and playing with it.

Sounds you're you're upset for some stupid reason, the only stupid thing square enix did was the deus ex preorder thing, they were told that shit won't fly though and they've brought out many great games unlike ea and those other companies. Also koonami is literally a scummy company, EA and Bethesda are scummy somewaht but Koonami are the ones who pretty much slave labor people and demote people to janitors.

Are you just trying to be edgy and insult a popular thing? Sounds like it, I feel bad for you to be that lowly.

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Every Company has its ups and downs.

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@texasgoldrush:

What recent half-assed Square Enix game have you played?

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#26  Edited By KnightofAstora
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Pretty sure FFXV is finished, you can play it from start to end and understand the story, some things could have used better explaining yes but it's not as bad as you claim it to be so yeah, hyperbole..

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@pantypolice said:

Worse than shit tier: Koonami

Shit tier: Bethesda and EA

Better: Everyone else

Square Enix make good games, that's what matters.

World of Final Fantasy, Project Setsuna, Final Fantasy 15, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Hitman, etc etc just in 2016.

Hitman games work with episodic, Hitman games are about getting levels that have a lot of complexity and freedom and playing with it.

Sounds you're you're upset for some stupid reason, the only stupid thing square enix did was the deus ex preorder thing, they were told that shit won't fly though and they've brought out many great games unlike ea and those other companies. Also koonami is literally a scummy company, EA and Bethesda are scummy somewaht but Koonami are the ones who pretty much slave labor people and demote people to janitors.

Are you just trying to be edgy and insult a popular thing? Sounds like it, I feel bad for you to be that lowly.

Why would bethesda be with EA?

I'm pretty sure the top of the shit totem pole goes to EA and Konami. No other company really touches them there.

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#28  Edited By ArchoNils2
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They always were, at least this and last gen ...

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#29  Edited By OmniChris
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I hate squareenix but not only for that reason.. They just did their FF 30th anniversary event and what did they show to commemorate this prestigious event? Cup noodle ad, a pic of sephiroth and cloud from FF7 remake, and FF12's release date.. Jee THANKS SQUARE. Way to get me excited for everything new in the FF franchise, as if FF15 wasn't already disappointing enough lol.

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@omnichris: What did you expect from an event which didn't even have a stream? They aren't gonna announce anything big there.

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I just don't understand Square Enix:

They work 50 years on FF XV and that must've cost them loads of money. But one Deus Ex flops in sales, and bam, it's over for the series.

It seems like Square Enix West is way worse than Square Enix East.

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#32  Edited By madsnakehhh
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@texasgoldrush: sure, they are worst than others in some areas, better than others in some other aspects...The hard cold truth is that they still make (and publish) good games, (as well as bad ones) i mean several people seem to be enjoying FFXV despite it flaws...And you cant really compare them to truly bad companies like Konami unless Square cancels KH3...Then you may have a point.

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#33 nintendoboy16
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Speaking of Deus Ex, I still remember that pricing bullshit they did with the Wii U version of Human Revolution. And even that is not the WORST trolling they ever did to the Nintendo fandom.

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@texasgoldrush said:
@aigis said:

If you say so

FFXV's unfinished-ness says so.

I dont agree, but thats just me

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@texasgoldrush said:

And them looking at episodic games is just going to end in disaster, with them failing to understand how it works or even how Life is Strange succeeded (okay, they made a great move publishing that game and allowed DONTNOD to go with their vision, but really, EA would have let them do the same thing here).

Hitman 2016 proves episodic distribution can and will work if done correctly. The game benefited a lot from it. Also published by SE, btw.

I gotta say, using LiS in every single argument is quite the accomplishment though lol

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lol no

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#38 kvally
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I agree, SquareEnix is just as bad as Sony, EA, Capcom, Konami, Microsoft, etc.

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#39 Cloud_imperium
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They are becoming worse. I expect some sort of bullfuckery from them with their every release. Every game is surrounded by some controversy.

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#40 Hammerthrust
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They were always behind Final Fantasy, weren't they? They've always sucked.

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Well, at least they're still better than Mass Effect 3's ending.

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@hammerthrust said:

They were always behind Final Fantasy, weren't they? They've always sucked.

Wonder why so many people like the FF series then if they sucked. I doesn't make sense!

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@boycie: I wonder why so many people like Beyonce. She also sucks. Do you like Beyonce? I don't like Beyonce.

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@hammerthrust said:

@boycie: I wonder why so many people like Beyonce. She also sucks. Do you like Beyonce? I don't like Beyonce.

I don't know... I don't get it. Maybe some people like different things. Like crisps.

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With all the BS buisness practices of modern gaming I'm getting sick of it. I refuse to pay full price for games that try to rip me off. Not only that quality seems to of dropped off in games.

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@killered3 said:

@texasgoldrush:

What recent half-assed Square Enix game have you played?

FFXV

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The biggest developers tend to get cozy and think that they don't need to actually get any talented dev teams on ambitious projects. They'll eventually fall out of people's sights when other developers make better games.

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#48  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@knightofastora said:

Pretty sure FFXV is finished, you can play it from start to end and understand the story, some things could have used better explaining yes but it's not as bad as you claim it to be so yeah, hyperbole..

No, its unfinished. If it was finished, they would not have to patch story scenes into the game.

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@texasgoldrush said:

And them looking at episodic games is just going to end in disaster, with them failing to understand how it works or even how Life is Strange succeeded (okay, they made a great move publishing that game and allowed DONTNOD to go with their vision, but really, EA would have let them do the same thing here).

Hitman 2016 proves episodic distribution can and will work if done correctly. The game benefited a lot from it. Also published by SE, btw.

I gotta say, using LiS in every single argument is quite the accomplishment though lol

But its not the reason why it succeeded. It succeeded more due to it going back to its roots somewhat. Also, not every episode was good. Its better than the more recent Hitman games, but not as good as the older ones. Its episodic nature also disrupted the pacing somewhat. And LIS actually was far more successful AFTER it was finished and I can argue that the episodic nature actually detracted from the story.

@pantypolice said:

Worse than shit tier: Koonami

Shit tier: Bethesda and EA

Better: Everyone else

Square Enix make good games, that's what matters.

World of Final Fantasy, Project Setsuna, Final Fantasy 15, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Hitman, etc etc just in 2016.

Hitman games work with episodic, Hitman games are about getting levels that have a lot of complexity and freedom and playing with it.

Sounds you're you're upset for some stupid reason, the only stupid thing square enix did was the deus ex preorder thing, they were told that shit won't fly though and they've brought out many great games unlike ea and those other companies. Also koonami is literally a scummy company, EA and Bethesda are scummy somewaht but Koonami are the ones who pretty much slave labor people and demote people to janitors.

Are you just trying to be edgy and insult a popular thing? Sounds like it, I feel bad for you to be that lowly.

World of Final Fantasy was absolute crap relying on member berries, I am Setsuna was a disappointment, FFXV and Mankind Divided were released unfinished and chopped up for DLC.

FFXV is a poster child of everything wrong with the industry, big budget AAA games that ship unfinished, lack direction other than its size, and the critics who willingly overlook its flaws because of the brand.

And SquareEnix whores the Final Fantasy series with low quality spinoffs.

And Bethesda and EA make FAR BETTER DLC and add on content. In fact, EA has gotten far better in this regard.

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#49  Edited By deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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Warner Bros. tends to fall under the radar quite a bit but I find their DLC and pre-order bonus practices to be particularly rough.

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#50 texasgoldrush
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@jumpaction said:

Warner Bros. tends to fall under the radar quite a bit but I find their DLC and pre-order bonus practices to be particularly rough.

This as well, Batman Arkham Knight's DLC was weak.