So, does anyone here own Vista? and if so, is it honestly worth it?

My mom bought a new PC with Vista on it, and I honestly don't think it's anything special. Just XP with some superficial featurespurplemidgets

Maybe you need to dig a little deeper.  It's more than just a superficial update to XP to be sure.  It's more secure & it's a godsend if you're into database management, but it's just got some issues right now.

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"]My mom bought a new PC with Vista on it, and I honestly don't think it's anything special. Just XP with some superficial featuresColoradoKindBud

Maybe you need to dig a little deeper. It's more than just a superficial update to XP to be sure. It's more secure & it's a godsend if you're into database management, but it's just got some issues right now.

I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha  link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).XaosII

We've all heard the hate on Vista, about it's errors, about how it ripped off it's interface from Mac and Linux pretty much completely, etc. But I personally really can't hate on it, cus I don't own it. So can anyone tell me if it's ruly worth it?
unknown8

[QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).giantsfan91

[QUOTE="giantsfan91"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).shooks20

[QUOTE="shooks20"][QUOTE="giantsfan91"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).danabo

I did...its still a load of BS.

It only affects people trying to play HD-DVD and Blu-Ray content on their machines. How many people you know have one of those drives in their PC? And it was obviously only implemented due to pressure from companies to implement stricter DRM rules. I would not be surprised to see similar restrictions on other operating systems. Thats not exactly MS's fault for that.

I use Vista Home Premium, i need to make sure all my apps are compatible and i need to get used to the OS anyways... i have had no issues with games however all i got installed is NWN2, FEAR and WoW... heh

@ danabo

"Vista is also a RAM hog - won't run on less than 1 gig" (and wants more)"
On boot, 443mb is used of my 1gb of RAM

"it also MUST "phone home" every day or it will declare itself an illegal copy
and stop working entirely."
I have been off air for 2 days while its been installed... hmm its still activated? wow... but maybe im just lucky?

"Since it "phones home" it ALSO reports every file on your hard drive making it essentially a HUGE piece of spyware"
Anyone who believes this a complete fool

"ok so you upgraded your hardware. You're all good right? New motherboard or a new graphics card, even a new sound card. Take your pick. Wrong!! The hardware Id of these components were phoned into M$ and now your copy of Vista will be invalidated."
Do you have any idea what an OEM copy is? *thats* the copy that you are not ALLOWED to install on multiple machines or use on a new one, so yes duh... this however does not apply to retail and retail upgrade versions. OEM has been around for so many years its not funny and Windows XP OEM installs *also* upload a Machine Config ID to verfy you weren't installing your OEM copy of XP on a new machine.

Thats just a taste of the bull**** you have posted... how in your right mind can you just believe krap people say to you? *use* the software.... figure it out for yourself, be a man not a sheep

I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).XaosII

[QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).Ichiroisawsome

Thats right. And? Its in the agreement but its not really used. They are just covering their own behinds in the event they need to. Loosen up the tin foil hats people.

Vista isnt great for games......

Seriously.

That and Driver problems, and application / utility inconsistancy - I`d rather stick with Xp until some good DX10 games come out, and I get a new Vid card.
muscrat_01

"Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge."

If they only checked once... it could be circumvented... once and any future update to check if its a valid copy of windows would not be legal... so yes it must check at regular intervals. This doesn't mean it uploads your entire HDD list nor block you from using your OS if after a day you can't access the internet...

" During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft."

This is needed in the agreement to cover OEM installations... duh

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).XaosII

Thats right. And? Its in the agreement but its not really used. They are just covering their own behinds in the event they need to. Loosen up the tin foil hats people.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).Ichiroisawsome

Thats right. And? Its in the agreement but its not really used. They are just covering their own behinds in the event they need to. Loosen up the tin foil hats people.

XP did hardware validation too. I didnt see everyone run away XP. You changed your hardware X number of times with the same CD key adn you had to call them up to reset it. The system was lenient enough to have rarely been an issue with most people.

I use Vista Home Premium, i need to make sure all my apps are compatible and i need to get used to the OS anyways... i have had no issues with games however all i got installed is NWN2, FEAR and WoW... heh

@ danabo

"Vista is also a RAM hog - won't run on less than 1 gig" (and wants more)"
On boot, 443mb is used of my 1gb of RAM

"it also MUST "phone home" every day or it will declare itself an illegal copy
and stop working entirely."
I have been off air for 2 days while its been installed... hmm its still activated? wow... but maybe im just lucky?

"Since it "phones home" it ALSO reports every file on your hard drive making it essentially a HUGE piece of spyware"
Anyone who believes this a complete fool

"ok so you upgraded your hardware. You're all good right? New motherboard or a new graphics card, even a new sound card. Take your pick. Wrong!! The hardware Id of these components were phoned into M$ and now your copy of Vista will be invalidated."
Do you have any idea what an OEM copy is? *thats* the copy that you are not ALLOWED to install on multiple machines or use on a new one, so yes duh... this however does not apply to retail and retail upgrade versions. OEM has been around for so many years its not funny and Windows XP OEM installs *also* upload a Machine Config ID to verfy you weren't installing your OEM copy of XP on a new machine.

Thats just a taste of the bull**** you have posted... how in your right mind can you just believe krap people say to you? *use* the software.... figure it out for yourself, be a man not a sheep

DMWhiteDragon

"Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge."

If they only checked once... it could be circumvented... once and any future update to check if its a valid copy of windows would not be legal... so yes it must check at regular intervals. This doesn't mean it uploads your entire HDD list nor block you from using your OS if after a day you can't access the internet...

" During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft."

This is needed in the agreement to cover OEM installations... duh

DMWhiteDragon

Thats right. And? Its in the agreement but its not really used. They are just covering their own behinds in the event they need to. Loosen up the tin foil hats people.

:| Did you actually read my post? :| "Credit not given to the original posters because they would want it that way ;)" There are many links about Vista using too much of your resources and more about the DRM issues. Google. Sometimes the sheep are right.danabo

Did you actually read anything on Vista? Maybe you should've before posting someone else's fallacious tripe.

Heres exactly why Vista "uses too much of your resources." Read it and realize why its a good thing Vista almost always takes up so much of your memory.

And much like this misinforation you are spreading about Vista's resource usages, the calims of DRM are exactly the same - misinformation.

I'd recommend Google. Not some blind fanboy's rant in a forum.

Thats right. And? Its in the agreement but its not really used. They are just covering their own behinds in the event they need to. Loosen up the tin foil hats people.

giantsfan91

Wrong. It was in the XP Licensing agreement but there was something wrong with the wording so it couldn't be enforced. They've now corrected the wording of it and will now be enforcing it.

Thats nice. Im sure MS is just out to get you. No one else, just you. I'm assuming you've already have horror stories of MS sending FBI agents to someone's house for putting in a USB back-up hard drive?

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I read that post. Not a single bit of it is true. I'd like anyone to back that claim up witha link discussing what he said about in Vista (retail).XaosII

Actually it's true. Vista constantly reports to MS and it is in the licensing agreement.

"Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft."

Ichiroisawsome

During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft."

This is needed in the agreement to cover OEM installations... duh

So as long as people purchase a retail copy they can install it on as many computers as they see fit? That makes sense seeing as your not actually purchasing the software, you're purchasing a license to use the software.

Since you only purchased one license you can only use it on one computer....duh.

I haven't purchased the retail version yet, but I had Beta B running on one of my partitions for like the last 7 months.  Personally, I don't think Vista was ready for primetime & MS isn't going to stop supporting XP any time soon so I'd say wait until at least 2008 before buying Vista.  The funny thing is, a buddy of mine purchased it & said that he already had to DL a monster service pack, that's never a good sign that soon after an OS ships out.  ColoradoKindBud

[QUOTE="danabo"] :| Did you actually read my post? :| "Credit not given to the original posters because they would want it that way ;)" There are many links about Vista using too much of your resources and more about the DRM issues. Google. Sometimes the sheep are right.XaosII

Did you actually read anything on Vista? Maybe you should've before posting someone else's fallacious tripe.

Heres exactly why Vista "uses too much of your resources." Read it and realize why its a good thing Vista almost always takes up so much of your memory.

And much like this misinforation you are spreading about Vista's resource usages, the calims of DRM are exactly the same - misinformation.

I'd recommend Google. Not some blind fanboy's rant in a forum.

Thats nice. Im sure MS is just out to get you. No one else, just you. I'm assuming you've already have horror stories of MS sending FBI agents to someone's house for putting in a USB back-up hard drive?

What are you talking about? I never claimed they did anything to me. The problem is, if you decide to upgrade your computer you will now have to purchase another license for the software. Quit being such a M$ fanboy.

That article is horrible. It's nice for general applications but ram intensive applications such as games, photo editing, watching movies, etc. your comp is going to run slow because it will have to constantly feed off the much slower hard drive if there is no ram to cache to. Basically Vista is trying to anticipate what you are going to use your comp for. Lame.....
Ichiroisawsome

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]Vista isnt great for games......

Seriously.

That and Driver problems, and application / utility inconsistancy - I`d rather stick with Xp until some good DX10 games come out, and I get a new Vid card.
-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="danabo"] :| Did you actually read my post? :| "Credit not given to the original posters because they would want it that way ;)" There are many links about Vista using too much of your resources and more about the DRM issues. Google. Sometimes the sheep are right.Ichiroisawsome

Did you actually read anything on Vista? Maybe you should've before posting someone else's fallacious tripe.

Heres exactly why Vista "uses too much of your resources." Read it and realize why its a good thing Vista almost always takes up so much of your memory.

And much like this misinforation you are spreading about Vista's resource usages, the calims of DRM are exactly the same - misinformation.

I'd recommend Google. Not some blind fanboy's rant in a forum.

Yeah...that includes games. It ends up releasing those cached resources when a program asks for it. Its not going to take 80% of your RAM and leave 20% for other programs. It'll reduce it and free up what it needs for the new program.

If within those 80% is a program you very, very frequently use - then your program or even game - loads up very fast. Make sense? Dynamic load balancing and pre-emptive caching. The best of both worlds.

The article put it best: Its not "Why does Vista use up all my resources?" it should be "Why were previous Windows so bad as using my resources?"

Did you really think a company dedicated to OS development couldnt figure out a system like that?

I own a desktop & a laptop.  Right now, I don't plan on upgrading either to Vista.  I just don't see the reason to drop $160 for nothing that I would consider an improvement.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"]That article is horrible. It's nice for general applications but ram intensive applications such as games, photo editing, watching movies, etc. your comp is going to run slow because it will have to constantly feed off the much slower hard drive if there is no ram to cache to. Basically Vista is trying to anticipate what you are going to use your comp for. Lame.....
shooks20

Thats nice. Im sure MS is just out to get you. No one else, just you. I'm assuming you've already have horror stories of MS sending FBI agents to someone's house for putting in a USB back-up hard drive?

giantsfan91

What are you talking about? I never claimed they did anything to me. The problem is, if you decide to upgrade your computer you will now have to purchase another license for the software. Quit being such a M$ fanboy.

Its almost the exact same system that XP uses like this article mentions. Just like you said, you just call up MS, and they'll let you reactivate it. Just like how you can upgrade a lot of components with XP before running into activation issues, it'll be the same exact thing with Vista.

A while ago MS decided to tie the OEM license with the motherboard, but even that has been removed. Its just like XP, and i cant recall anyone ever having an issue with how it worked. I'm tired of people spreading fud around things they dont fully know.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="danabo"] :| Did you actually read my post? :| "Credit not given to the original posters because they would want it that way ;)" There are many links about Vista using too much of your resources and more about the DRM issues. Google. Sometimes the sheep are right.XaosII

Did you actually read anything on Vista? Maybe you should've before posting someone else's fallacious tripe.

Heres exactly why Vista "uses too much of your resources." Read it and realize why its a good thing Vista almost always takes up so much of your memory.

And much like this misinforation you are spreading about Vista's resource usages, the calims of DRM are exactly the same - misinformation.

I'd recommend Google. Not some blind fanboy's rant in a forum.

Yeah...that includes games. It ends up releasing those cached resources when a program asks for it. Its not going to take 80% of your RAM and leave 20% for other programs. It'll reduce it and free up what it needs for the new program.

If within those 80% is a program you very, very frequently use - then your program or even game - loads up very fast. Make sense? Dynamic load balancing and pre-emptive caching. The best of both worlds.

The article put it best: Its not "Why does Vista use up all my resources?" it should be "Why were previous Windows so bad as using my resources?"

Did you really think a company dedicated to OS development couldnt figure out a system like that?

Except it doesn't work that well.  Vista runs about 10% slower on my friend's comp and we have done everything to optimize it.  We had to drop video quality on two games in order to get them to run as smoothly as they ran on XP.  The other games run fine but they are older games.  He also had to move his printing software to another comp because Vista slowed to a crawl while running it.  While under XP only 60 percent of the ram was used up by both the OS and the software, under Vista it was 100% and running off the hard drive.  Vista never compensated.
Ichiroisawsome

Because its an issue with the Vista OS...and not with early drivers, right? The 40% extra ram being used by Vista and with early drivers yielded only a 10% loss in performance? Meaning instead of 60 frames per second he was getting 54? That sounds like an absolute nightmare.

[QUOTE="danabo"] :| Did you actually read my post? :| "Credit not given to the original posters because they would want it that way ;)" There are many links about Vista using too much of your resources and more about the DRM issues. Google. Sometimes the sheep are right.XaosII

Did you actually read anything on Vista? Maybe you should've before posting someone else's fallacious tripe.

Heres exactly why Vista "uses too much of your resources." Read it and realize why its a good thing Vista almost always takes up so much of your memory.

And much like this misinforation you are spreading about Vista's resource usages, the calims of DRM are exactly the same - misinformation.

I'd recommend Google. Not some blind fanboy's rant in a forum.