Smaller developers leaving XBLA/PSN. Too expensive and closed up.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]Wanna hear a better joke? Console game ad campaignswaltefmoney

That's not a better joke :(

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Then again, consoles are for real games. PCs and mobile devices would obviously be easier to make 'cheap' games with.Arach666

steam >>>> all

we already knew this :cool:

I've not noticed any developers leaving either network....doesn't seem like doublefine is and they aren't exactly large.

WilliamRLBaker

true that.consoles doesnt deserve innovative titles.

you want innovation,you buy a pc

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

more games for PC

console gamers mad

waltefmoney

Wanna hear a joke?

Big budget PC exclusive.

More men for the master race army!

NoodleFighter

+1

Who cares? The majority of "indie" games are crap.

Then again, consoles are for real games. PCs and mobile devices would obviously be easier to make 'cheap' games with.Mr_Cumberdale

Wanna hear a joke?

Big budget PC exclusive.

waltefmoney

Real men fry bacon with their shirt off.GeneralShowzer

Modified. :cool:

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Then again, consoles are for real games. PCs and mobile devices would obviously be easier to make 'cheap' games with.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Then again, consoles are for real games. PCs and mobile devices would obviously be easier to make 'cheap' games with.harshv82

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

waltefmoney

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

Because you dont get any of those genre worth mentioning on consoles they dont count? Honestly a single free to play MMO can have more gameplay/fun/content and keep you playing longer than all of the in house developed games for PS3 or 360 combined.

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

waltefmoney

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

I agree out of principle too. The PC is the natural home for indie games.ActionRemix

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I agree out of principle too. The PC is the natural home for indie games.rilpas

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I agree out of principle too. The PC is the natural home for indie games.JohnF111

it would have been awesome if real, it meant they Kaz had a sense of humor and for me, that's good publicity :P

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

waltefmoney

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

even though PC is my favourite platform, I reluctantly have to agree here

seems every major PC game these days is either strategy (which I love) or mmo based (which I hate)

and when I say mmo based, I'm including games like star siege tribes, Mechwarrior or other online only games

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

waltefmoney

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

a console isnt a console anymore.. its a pc that got tilted on its side and then told to stop its -----ing about the fact that it cant play with the big boys anymore..

dont worry next gen will see a casual sony, an even more gimmicky nintendo platform.. and an xbox with no used and and no exclusives.. all will be well again haha

ninja prease your in my house nowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fvr589x9s

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

more games for PC

console gamers mad

waltefmoney

Wanna hear a joke?

Big budget PC exclusive.

They mean that they want to make an unfinished game and then patch it ?

That is only happening on PC, why even talk about it like they did not know consoles have high standards ?

Good, should teach Sony and Microsoft a lesson.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

pelvist

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

Because you dont get any of those genre worth mentioning on consoles they dont count? Honestly a single free to play MMO can have more gameplay/fun/content and keep you playing longer than all of the in house developed games for PS3 or 360 combined.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

You mean like the one that came out in december and it´s one of the most expensive games ever made(or the most expensive)?

rilpas

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

even though PC is my favourite platform, I reluctantly have to agree here

seems every major PC game these days is either strategy (which I love) or mmo based (which I hate)

and when I say mmo based, I'm including games like star siege tribes, Mechwarrior or other online only games

They mean that they want to make an unfinished game and then patch it ?

That is only happening on PC, why even talk about it like they did not know consoles have high standards ?

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Okay, non-MMO or RTS big budget PC exclusive.

rilpas

even though PC is my favourite platform, I reluctantly have to agree here

seems every major PC game these days is either strategy (which I love) or mmo based (which I hate)

and when I say mmo based, I'm including games like star siege tribes, Mechwarrior or other online only games

You excluded five genres. MMORPG, Shooters, Simulation, RTS, TBS.

Do the consoles even have five games exclusive high budget games worth excluding?

This is why developers like Steam and the PC as a platform. You dont have limitations, you can roll out free updates whenever you want, and there are less middle men taking a cut.

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

even though PC is my favourite platform, I reluctantly have to agree here

seems every major PC game these days is either strategy (which I love) or mmo based (which I hate)

and when I say mmo based, I'm including games like star siege tribes, Mechwarrior or other online only games

GeneralShowzer

You excluded five genres. MMORPG, Shooters, Simulation, RTS, TBS.

Do the consoles even have five games exclusive high budget games worth excluding?

I didn't exclude shooters or simulation, I'm excluding MMO games in general

MMORTS, MMOFPS, MMORPG

whathever happened to singleplayer games?

and if you're talking about all 3 consoles then yes, there a lot of high budget exclusives this year, though I'll admit a lot of them don't interest me

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

You excluded five genres. MMORPG, Shooters, Simulation, RTS, TBS.

Do the consoles even have five games exclusive high budget games worth excluding?

rilpas

I didn't exclude shooters or simulation, I'm excluding MMO games in general

MMORTS, MMOFPS, MMORPG

whathever happened to singleplayer games?

whathever happened to singleplayer games?rilpas

Tribes : Ascend is not an MMO, it's an online shooter. Mechwarrior Online is not an MMO. It's a simulation. They both use a F2P model, and that's the only thing they have in common.. You can't just group different genres like that and ignore logic to make some stupid argument. GeneralShowzer

actually I can, because they are what I'm looking for, I want singleplayer, offline games, I don't know how much clearer I can make that

now I ask again are there any big budget single player offline games?

It also applies to consoles. Most of the big stuff coming out is CO-OP, MP focused with very short SP portions.GeneralShowzer

these are all single player focused games

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Tribes : Ascend is not an MMO, it's an online shooter. Mechwarrior Online is not an MMO. It's a simulation. They both use a F2P model, and that's the only thing they have in common.. You can't just group different genres like that and ignore logic to make some stupid argument. rilpas

actually I can, because they are what I'm looking for, I want singleplayer, offline games, I don't know how much clearer I can make that

now I ask again are there any big budget single player offline games?

It also applies to consoles. Most of the big stuff coming out is CO-OP, MP focused with very short SP portions.GeneralShowzer

these are all single player focused games

actually I can

You can, at the risk of looking like an idiot.

now I ask again are there any big budget single player offline games?

You asked this for the first time, just now. You keep changing your argument in every post.

There are tons of exclusive games. There are tons of single-player games. There are tons of big budget games. Not a lot of games fit in the combination of the three. I can find some half assed strawman argument to throw against consoles too.

because they are what I'm looking for

Nobody cares what you're looking for. Enjoy sucking too much to play against other people.

actually I can

You can, at the risk of looking like an idiot.GeneralShowzer

so you're the one who decides what games I want to play?

now I ask again are there any big budget single player offline games?

You asked this for the first time, just now. You keep changing your argument in every post.

There are tons of exclusive games. There are tons of single-player games. There are tons of big budget games. Not a lot of games fit in the combination of the three. I can find some half assed strawman argument to throw against consoles too.GeneralShowzer

feel free to throw all the arguments you want against consoles, I'm not defending consoles or attacking the PC, I asked if someone could give me a list of games based on my tastes, I don't know why you think I'm attacking PC's :|

because they are what I'm looking for

Nobody cares what you're looking for. Enjoy sucking too much to play against other people.

GeneralShowzer

you obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't be making such a big deal over it

Microsoft Charges Developers USD 40000 Per Xbox 360 Game Patch

"Those systems as great as they are, they're still closed. You have to jump through a lot of hoops, even for important stuff like patching and supporting your game. Those are things we really want to do, but we can't do it on these systems," he said.

"I mean, it costs $40,000 to put up a patch – we can't afford that! Open systems like Steam, that allow us to set our own prices, that's where it's at, and doing it completely alone like Minecraft. That's where people are going."

source: http://www.megagames.com/news/microsoft-charges-developers-usd-40000-xbox-360-game-patch

darktoothxo

[QUOTE="darktoothxo"]Microsoft Charges Developers USD 40000 Per Xbox 360 Game Patch

"Those systems as great as they are, they're still closed. You have to jump through a lot of hoops, even for important stuff like patching and supporting your game. Those are things we really want to do, but we can't do it on these systems," he said.

"I mean, it costs $40,000 to put up a patch – we can't afford that! Open systems like Steam, that allow us to set our own prices, that's where it's at, and doing it completely alone like Minecraft. That's where people are going."

source: http://www.megagames.com/news/microsoft-charges-developers-usd-40000-xbox-360-game-patch

FPSDad1161

derp, well why would you put any effort into making a game for xbla, psn, vita, or 3ds when you can just throw some cheap trash together and sell it on a phone and make a mint?

i have probably dl'd a hundred demos and free games of these new super popular franchises on my droid and not one is worth a crap.

why put in any effort making a good game when garbage does so well? i wouldn't either if i could get away with doing a half assed job and make more money.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Wanna hear a joke?

Big budget PC exclusive.

badtaker

Not sure if serious or just baiting.....

Not that being "big budget" matters, when crap/low-quality console games like Too Human had big budgets.

Its silly that its 40k a pop for updates. As a dev I'm not going to patch my game when its 40k especially if I'm small. The deterant from putting out a crappy product should simply be getting low levels of user satisfaction. Patching should always be free.

"Those systems as great as they are, they're still closed. You have to jump through a lot of hoops, even for important stuff like patching and supporting your game. Those are things we really want to do, but we can't do it on these systems," he said.

"I mean, it costs $40,000 to put up a patch – we can't afford that! Open systems like Steam, that allow us to set our own prices, that's where it's at, and doing it completely alone like Minecraft. That's where people are going."

source: http://www.megagames.com/news/microsoft-charges-developers-usd-40000-xbox-360-game-patch

Most indie games suck so its not a shock people dont buy them. As for psn they gots to make money some how.

I agree out of principle too. The PC is the natural home for indie games.ActionRemix

Indeed. Once they get some success under their belts they migrate to consoles. Can't start with consoles, as they are too closed for these people.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="FPSDad1161"] Is that just for retail and XBLA games or indie games as well?moose_knuckler

while 40,000 sounds absurd, making an xbla or psn game isn't as complicted as making a full title. Should you need to patch it you probably arent making much money off it since it sucks.

They mean that they want to make an unfinished game and then patch it ?

That is only happening on PC, why even talk about it like they did not know consoles have high standards ?

loosingENDS

Console games get numerous patches. Skyrim and BF3 still suffer from issues. New Vegas had a game-breaking bug for the 360, where it would freeze after a very short period of play-time. I would have thought that your embarassing topics from yesterday would shut you up... Apparently not :(

Firefall, Tribes:Ascend, Planetside 2, Arma III.

GeneralShowzer

Isn't Planetside 2 an MMOFPS?

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"][QUOTE="darktoothxo"]Microsoft Charges Developers USD 40000 Per Xbox 360 Game Patch

"Those systems as great as they are, they're still closed. You have to jump through a lot of hoops, even for important stuff like patching and supporting your game. Those are things we really want to do, but we can't do it on these systems," he said.

"I mean, it costs $40,000 to put up a patch – we can't afford that! Open systems like Steam, that allow us to set our own prices, that's where it's at, and doing it completely alone like Minecraft. That's where people are going."

source: http://www.megagames.com/news/microsoft-charges-developers-usd-40000-xbox-360-game-patch

ShadowDeathX