scientific proof that naughty dog is greatest developer

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Where's the science? :|lostrib

he did math. I think that's as close as we'll get

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Where's the science? :|MonsieurX

he did math. I think that's as close as we'll get

no one said it was good science

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Valve's average is less

percech

Half Life - 96

Half Life 2 - 96

Ep 1 -87

Ep 2 - 90

Counter Strike - 88

Portal - 90

Portal 2 - 95

TF2 - 92

Day of Defeat - 80

L4D - 89

L4D2-89

Orange Box-96

Average = 90.66

Conclusion = Valve is better

Doesn't really matter considering Valve employed the developers while their games were still in their concept stages.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="donalbane"]

Half Life - 96

Half Life 2 - 96

Ep 1 -87

Ep 2 - 90

Counter Strike - 88

Portal - 90

Portal 2 - 95

TF2 - 92

Day of Defeat - 80

L4D - 89

L4D2-89

Orange Box-96

Average = 90.66

Conclusion = Valve is better

SexyJazzCat

Doesn't really matter considering Valve employed the developers while their games were still in their concept stages.

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yeah...the only problem with that list is that valve was only responsible for the HL franchise and nothing else.percech

Doesn't really matter considering Valve employed the developers while their games were still in their concept stages.

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Doesn't really matter considering Valve employed the developers while their games were still in their concept stages.

SexyJazzCat

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yes it does matter, actually. You might as well give all the credit to Sony then with the ND games. Counter-strike was a mod, Portal was a mod, Team Fortress was a mod, Day of Defeat was a mod, L4D was a mod. percech

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

and gave the mod team a job.  what about TF2, CS:S, CS:GO, Portal2, L4D2

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

lostrib

and gave the mod team a job.  what about TF2, CS:S, CS:GO, Portal2, L4D2

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yes it does matter, actually. You might as well give all the credit to Sony then with the ND games. Counter-strike was a mod, Portal was a mod, Team Fortress was a mod, Day of Defeat was a mod, L4D was a mod. percech

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

Valve did indeed help with Counter-strike and DoD. Team Fortress seems to be the only one that didn't get much influence from Valve except for the engine port.

Nintendo is better.charizard1605

Nintendo EAD still is on its own league. To bad they dont try to create more new IP(not eshop titles)

I agree naughty dog is the best hands down...unbiased

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"]Let's see a comparison with Valve. donalbane

Valve's average is less

Half Life - 96

Half Life 2 - 96

Ep 1 -87

Ep 2 - 90

Counter Strike - 88

Portal - 90

Portal 2 - 95

TF2 - 92

Day of Defeat - 80

L4D - 89

L4D2-89

Orange Box-96

Average = 90.66

Conclusion = Valve is better

Waiting for the Source 2 and Half Life 3 built on top of it. With every game Valave raises the bar for gameplay while console devs like ND...:lol:

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.

SexyJazzCat

Valve did indeed help with Counter-strike and DoD. Team Fortress seems to be the only one that didn't get much influence from Valve except for the engine port.

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] They did not help out with Counter-strike, Day of Defeat or Team Fortress. All they did was prepackage them and charge people.percech

Valve did indeed help with Counter-strike and DoD. Team Fortress seems to be the only one that didn't get much influence from Valve except for the engine port.

Counter Strike and DOD was in development when the developers were hired by Valve. Can't tell you exactly what they did but CS's development team essentially merged with Valve corporation and their development team.

Also, just for funsies:

Intelligent Systems:
Paper Mario 93
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door 87
Super Paper Mario 85
Paper Mario: Sticker Star 75
Advance Wars 92
Advance Wars: Black Hole Rising 89
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 90
Advance Wars: Day of Ruin 86
Fire Emblem 87
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 85
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 85
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon 81
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn 78
Fire Emblem Awakening 92
WarioWare: Mega MicroGame$! 89
WarioWare: Mega Party Game$! 78
WarioWare: Twisted 88!
WarioWare: Touched! 88
WarioWare D.I.Y 82
WarioWare: Smooth Moves 83
Mario Kart Super Circuit 93
Pokemon Puzzle League 83
Pushmo 90
Crashmo 86
Average Score: 90.6 (much higher than all companies in OP, with a substantially higher number of games as well) So yeah. Your OP is false.charizard1605

Like the fact there are games missing.TigerSuperman

[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"]Like the fact there are games missing.Granny_Spanked

Jak X has a 76 on Metacritic.

Also, just for funsies:

Intelligent Systems:
Paper Mario 93
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door 87
Super Paper Mario 85
Paper Mario: Sticker Star 75
Advance Wars 92
Advance Wars: Black Hole Rising 89
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 90
Advance Wars: Day of Ruin 86
Fire Emblem 87
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 85
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 85
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon 81
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn 78
Fire Emblem Awakening 92
WarioWare: Mega MicroGame$! 89
WarioWare: Mega Party Game$! 78
WarioWare: Twisted 88!
WarioWare: Touched! 88
WarioWare D.I.Y 82
WarioWare: Smooth Moves 83
Mario Kart Super Circuit 93
Pokemon Puzzle League 83
Pushmo 90
Crashmo 86
Average Score: 90.6 (much higher than all companies in OP, with a substantially higher number of games as well) So yeah. Your OP is false.charizard1605

Sir, the average is 86, not 90.6 ;)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Also, just for funsies:

Intelligent Systems:
Paper Mario 93
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door 87
Super Paper Mario 85
Paper Mario: Sticker Star 75
Advance Wars 92
Advance Wars: Black Hole Rising 89
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 90
Advance Wars: Day of Ruin 86
Fire Emblem 87
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 85
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 85
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon 81
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn 78
Fire Emblem Awakening 92
WarioWare: Mega MicroGame$! 89
WarioWare: Mega Party Game$! 78
WarioWare: Twisted 88!
WarioWare: Touched! 88
WarioWare D.I.Y 82
WarioWare: Smooth Moves 83
Mario Kart Super Circuit 93
Pokemon Puzzle League 83
Pushmo 90
Crashmo 86
Average Score: 90.6 (much higher than all companies in OP, with a substantially higher number of games as well) So yeah. Your OP is false.SexyJazzCat

Sir, the average is 86, not 90.6 ;)

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Also, just for funsies:

Intelligent Systems:
Paper Mario 93
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door 87
Super Paper Mario 85
Paper Mario: Sticker Star 75
Advance Wars 92
Advance Wars: Black Hole Rising 89
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 90
Advance Wars: Day of Ruin 86
Fire Emblem 87
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 85
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 85
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon 81
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn 78
Fire Emblem Awakening 92
WarioWare: Mega MicroGame$! 89
WarioWare: Mega Party Game$! 78
WarioWare: Twisted 88!
WarioWare: Touched! 88
WarioWare D.I.Y 82
WarioWare: Smooth Moves 83
Mario Kart Super Circuit 93
Pokemon Puzzle League 83
Pushmo 90
Crashmo 86
Average Score: 90.6 (much higher than all companies in OP, with a substantially higher number of games as well) So yeah. Your OP is false.Nintendo_Ownes7

Sir, the average is 86, not 90.6 ;)

I was just counting chars list. But yea, they made Paper Mario so they have godly status in my book.

>metacritic
>scientific

Pick one

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Valve did indeed help with Counter-strike and DoD. Team Fortress seems to be the only one that didn't get much influence from Valve except for the engine port.

SexyJazzCat

Counter Strike and DOD was in development when the developers were hired by Valve. Can't tell you exactly what they did but CS's development team essentially merged with Valve corporation and their development team.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Sir, the average is 86, not 90.6 ;)

SexyJazzCat

I was just counting chars list. But yea, they made Paper Mario so they have godly status in my book.

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Technically the average is 82 on Metacritic but they had great games overall they only had 5 games that were just "Average" in 28 years of existence.

hiphops_savior

I was just counting chars list. But yea, they made Paper Mario so they have godly status in my book.

Did someone already told the TC that Rockstar isn't a studio but a brand that has under it's name many studios, and that he mixed a couple of them in his comparison?

Did someone already told the TC that Rockstar isn't a studio but a brand that has under it's name many studios, and that he mixed a couple of them in his comparison?

glez13

yeah

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Bullshit, how did they help out with Counter-Strike exactly?percech

Counter Strike and DOD was in development when the developers were hired by Valve. Can't tell you exactly what they did but CS's development team essentially merged with Valve corporation and their development team.

*sigh* yes it was a free mod in beta before they teamed up with valve. After they teamed up it went through various beta stages and updates ending up as what we now know as CS 1.6

You can't argue with numbers.

You can't argue with numbers.

KiZZo1

You can't argue with numbers.

KiZZo1

no....just no they have at least 5-8 devs better then them

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]turn 10 has a much better track recordNathanDrakeSwag

A track record of making games nobody buys.

Lol Bungie and Rockstar are noobs in comparison.kuraimen

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

he did math. I think that's as close as we'll get

lostrib

no one said it was good science

Naughty Gods and R* are the best developers in the industry. Nobody else comes close.

NathanDrakeSwag

Uh... wouldn't that be numerical proof?

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Naughty Gods and R* are the best developers in the industry. Nobody else comes close.

AzatiS

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Counter Strike and DOD was in development when the developers were hired by Valve. Can't tell you exactly what they did but CS's development team essentially merged with Valve corporation and their development team.

SexyJazzCat

*sigh* yes it was a free mod in beta before they teamed up with valve. After they teamed up it went through various beta stages and updates ending up as what we now know as CS 1.6

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] I can see you don't know what you're talking about. Counter-Strike was developed by college students and released as a free mod.percech

*sigh* yes it was a free mod in beta before they teamed up with valve. After they teamed up it went through various beta stages and updates ending up as what we now know as CS 1.6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike

These are all the dates of the beta stages. The developers teamed up with valve in the year 2000.

• Beta 1: June 19, 1999
• Beta 2: August 13, 1999
• Beta 3: September 14, 1999
• Beta 4: November 5, 1999
• Beta 5: December 23, 1999
• Beta 6: March 10, 2000
• Beta 7: August 26, 2000

After the beta came all the updates.

And how about you stop acting like a child and grow up. You're a grown fvcking man for gods sake. 

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yes it does matter, actually. You might as well give all the credit to Sony then with the ND games. Counter-strike was a mod, Portal was a mod, Team Fortress was a mod, Day of Defeat was a mod, L4D was a mod. percech

Difference is Valve helped develop the final product. Valve is a developer, not a publisher. Do you know what portal looked like before the developers were hired by valve? It was an entirely different game.