Quake 1 SP still better than most current FPS

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#1  Edited By Salt_The_Fries
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Hey, I've started playing Quake 1 yesterday and I'm weirdly addicted to it, can't put it down. It's still as good as ever. I miss its design in contemporary FPS. Today I've stumbled upon this and it sums up my thoughts perfectly:

Reasons why Quake 1 single player is still good:

1. Dark atmosphere:

Many recent games are very atmospheric to be sure, but few if any can match the dark, gothic, and generally malevolent atmosphere Quake has. Quake, with it's complete detatchment from real world/typical sci-fi enviroments, has a sense of inhospitability that is most effective at fostering a desire to overcome it, kill things and escape. The only game I have seen that has bettered Quake's *type* of atmosphere is the wonderfully bleak and nasty Zerstörer, a Partial Conversion for.......Quake.

2. Visceral style:

Along with the atmosphere created by the general theme of the game, there are plenty of other touches that Quake has which enhance it's visceral style. In particular, the close combat monsters, who want to take the fighting up front and personal and rip your head off, the simple, effective and non-tactical weapons, the cheerfully exploding "crunchy" gibs, the joys of the Quad, and the general fast pace and violence involved - all of which fits right in to the dark atmosphere.

3. Fun gameplay:

Quake 1's gameplay is still fun after all these years, because it's simple, dynamic, and brutal - the focus is on action, rather than planning, tactics and sneaking around. Now, I like sneakiness as much as the next man, but Quake's style of gameplay has it's place too. Additionally, it's far less easy to die in Quake than it is in recent games, meaning you can worry more about killing rather than dying, and you can try whack stuff and "brave" combats, and often get away with it.

4. Simplicity and ease of use:

Quake is easy to get to grips with, and harder to get confused or stuck in, due to the focus on action over complexity. The weapons fit well with this, they are simple and direct, with no confusing fire modes or side effects. It's an ideal game for a quick blast of violence, especially with the focus on individual levels - pick it up, shoot things, put it down.

5. Weird monsters:

Some of the Quake monsters, especially the real *monsters*, are very original and weird - and unlike any classical or mythological monsters. In particular, monsters like the Fiend, Shambler, Vore, Scrag, Spawn, Chthon, and even the Ogre (with it's weapons) have plenty of cool and nasty touches (like not having eyes!), and their original style and sheer "monsterousness" adds to the feel of the game.

6. Medieval/crossover themes:

This is one distinctive aspect that few other games have: As well as normal medieval styles, Quake has medieval styles blended with hi-tech aspects, and completely original gothic styles like Episode 3. These alone set it apart from most games and enhance the dark and grimy feel - and there is plenty of potential to blend all sorts of medieval/gothic themes that you won't find elsewhere. Further, you get to use hi-tech weapons in these medieval enviroments - another unusual touch.

7. Vast number of custom levels:

There are far more custom Quake 1 single player levels than all the other recent games added together, including plenty that are superior to the original game. This gives a huge choice and variety of levels, and means there are far more excellent levels to choose from than in other games. This is what can keep Quake single player going for a long, long time.

8. Potential for improvement:

The basic designs and gameplay in Quake and the arbitrary nature of the game means that it is very easy to improve on the original. Both with and without QuakeC, there are almost unlimited tweaks, designs, styles and ideas that can be added and explored - and indeed the game can often be much improved by their appropriate usage. In fact, there still seems to be almost unlimited potential for ideas that have yet to be explored...

9. Improvability of basic story:

Quake has a very basic "story" which, although increasingly untrendy in this story driven age, does have some benefits. It makes it more suitable for expansion, as there are so many of people's own ideas that can be added. It gives people the opportunity to add a lot to the story with both complex and simple Quake stories of their own (Casspq1, for example). And it also makes it harder for people to produce levels that don't fit in at all with the Quake concept - because that concept is rather vague, vague level ideas can be explored.

10. Scary music:

Well, it's only a minor point, but Quake's original music is the best and most atmospheric I have heard so far. It's certainly weird and spooky enough to fit the style of the game very well, far more so than rawk and pseudo-dance soundtracks fit more recent games.

11. Direct controls and physics:

Along with the simplicity of the game, Quake's controls are also simple and easy to pick up, and feel more "direct" than other games - the response of the controls feels as if the game does exactly what you tell it, without any time lag or vagueness. Also, the air control allowed by Quake's physics makes tricky jumps far more reasonable and fun than in games without air control.

12. Speedrunning potential:

Obviously speedrunning is an esoteric aspect of FPS games, that only a few people have the patience/stupidity/mad skillz (delete as applicable) to participate in. However, the excitement it can bring to it's devotees, and the entertaiment speedrun demos can bring to players in general should not be underestimated. Quake seems to be by far the best game for speedrunning, due to the straightforward map designs, lack of complex missions, the ease of control, and the potential for amazing tricks.

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#3  Edited By deactivated-5bda06edf37ee
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lol. even CoD is better than Quake 1.

besides, those are personal preferences that migh aswell it make it worst shooter ever. what if i don't like dark and visceral shooters?

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#4 blamix99
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okay

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#5  Edited By Salt_The_Fries
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@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

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#6  Edited By Netret0120
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You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with it on nearly every single level.

Whilst Quake is still fun to play, there are better fps games that really age well like Timesplitters FP, COD4 etc.

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#7 blamix99
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

yeah im jealous

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

LOL what?

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#9 pelvist
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I agree.

After really enjoying my play through of all the Original Doom games with the Brutal Doom mod recently, I decided to start on Quake 1 and 2 as well. FPS of today are nowhere near as fun as these games still are. There is just too much hand holding and immersion breaking cinematics in newer shooters and I swear in some of them its like you cant die or there is no punishment for dying. Playing these classics again makes you realise how much of a step back FPS have taken in gameplay and immersion.

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#10 Salt_The_Fries
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@blamix99 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

yeah im jealous

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

LOL what?

You're always criticizing me.

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#11  Edited By blamix99
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

yeah im jealous

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blamix99 said:

okay

I've noticed you are clocking me and have a thing against me. Tut, tut.

LOL what?

You're always criticizing me.

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It has been so long since I've played Quake but I was never a big fan of it to be honest. Never cared for the boring visuals. However I've recently been going through Goldeneye and its campaign is leagues better than what is out there now. So maybe I'll revisit Quake and some other old games as well.

One issue is the risk factor. There's no risk which inherently adds a psychological aspect to playing the game. Todays games are like those pc gamers back in the day that would autosave every 2 minutes.

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A: Quake 1's campaign blows dong. It was at best a field filler when compared to the vastly superior FPS games that came out around that time and would come out after. Quake was about mp.
B: "Most" in a literal sense is an easy accomplishment, because "most" games are actually pretty bad, by virtue of how many games come out in a year so that's not impressive.
C: it ignores games like Metro, Wolfenstein, Resistance 3, Shadow Warrior, etc in recent years which were quite good, and definitely better than Quake 1.

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#14 judaspete
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Don't let the haters get you down. Quake is still great. They don't make games that are that fast anymore. Going from Quake to anything made recently, it feels like your character is running through waist deep mud.

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I thought quake 2 was better

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It was great indeed.

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#17  Edited By Wasdie  Moderator
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Your opinion and it has nothing to do with system wars.

Keeping this thread running is just going to devolved into junk and spam. It's already happening here and it'll only get worse.

Generally threads that are just your opinion about a game or whatnot just devolved into people disagreeing with each other until the thread gets loaded with useless pictures and spam.