PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base

New rumor. NewPS4 devkits are being sent out to developers.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/

Multiple sources have confirmed to VG247 today that a new version of the Orbis kit is now shipping to developers, and that its housed in a normal PC case.

There are to be four versions of the dev kit, we were told. A previous version was essentially just a graphics card. The version shipping now is a modified PC, and the third version, appearing in January, will be close to final spec. A final version will be delivered to developers next summer.

Some US developers attended a disclosure meeting at Sonys offices this week, with a further meeting to take place in the coming weeks. The purpose of the meeting is for Sony to tell studios what the machine is designed to do, to detail hardware and to show a set of presentations.

Our source told us that Sony is only calling the machine Orbis, and is not using the words PlayStation 4 in these meetings at all.

Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMDs A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.

PS4s APU was described today as a derivative of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is based on A10 system and base platform.

The ultimate goal for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with no problem, to create a machine thats powerful enough for today and tomorrows market.

The dev kits have either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.

The hardware is not being made in Japan, it was said.

When asked if PS4 will have an optical drive, specifically Blu-ray, our source responded: Of course it has. Weve been told the hard drive will be 256Gb as standard, but its not clear if itll be a normal HDD or a solid state drive.

We were told that Sonys aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something very affordable but that isnt a slouch.

The machine has WiFi and Ethernet connectivity and HDMI out. Our source said the was no difference between PlayStation 3 and Orbis input/output.

The UI, however, has been revamped. It was said today that players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel anywhere on the system. An example given was buying DLC from the PS Store mid-game then seamlessly returning to play.

Theyre trying to make it as fluid as possible, our source said.

We were also told that the machine will be designed to accept system and product updates in the background, and that itll always be in standby mode. When you set the console up, we were told, youll be asked if you want to allow background downloads. You can, of course, disallow them.

No details have been given on the pad as yet. Confirmation is expected this month.

Orbis is expected to be announced at an event just before E3 next year.

intredesting.

Hmmmmm

interdesting indeed ;) bring this new generation on!

Not going to happen.

1080p60 games in 3D

"1080p60 games in 3D" wasn't PS3 gonna do this too? :P "8Gb or 16Gb of RAM" sounds cool though, don't think Elder Scrolls VI will have any problems on PS :Dlocopatho

That's system RAM most likely.

"We were told that Sonys aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something very affordable but that isnt a slouch." This is all I care about (besides the games that will come naturally). Raw power, without stupid stuff that get the price to teh $599 price tag. =/Giancar

Yea I loved this part as well. Also the UI stuff sounds pretty smooth too. Oh and it sounds like this will have a nice chunk of ram in the final version. Can't wait for next year.

Not going to happen.

1080p60 games in 3D

super600

It is based on A10 APUs and they want to run games at 1080p at 60fps with 3D enabled. I don't think existing APUs are even remotely powerful enough to do that.

I'm not buying into any rumors until I see something real.

However this would suggest that Sony might be trying to come out to the market with PS4 first.

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

It is based on A10 APUs and they want to run games at 1080p at 60fps with 3D enabled. I don't think existing APUs are even remotely powerful enough to do that.

hoola

Just becuase it has an A10 APU doesn't mean it can't have a dedicated GPU.

They could also beef up the GPU part of the APU. Just becuase it's based off of something that exists already, doesn't mean it's not subject to modification.

It is based on A10 APUs and they want to run games at 1080p at 60fps with 3D enabled. I don't think existing APUs are even remotely powerful enough to do that.

hoola

All aboard the Sony hype train.

Wait a sec, just released that it says Gb instead of GB for the ram. If that isn't a typo then that puts it about the same amount as the WiiU right?

Pretty sure that is just a typo though. No refers to memory as gigabits.

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

Wasdie

I also think developers will be unwilling to compromise to get games running at 1080p and 60fps. It would be nice, but I think they'll aim for the same targets they hit this gen, to push visual fidelity and whatnot.

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

Weve been told the hard drive will be 256Gb as standard, but its not clear if itll be a normal HDD or a solid state drive.

Kinda has to be an SSD if it's 256GB, doesn't it (although that could be a dev-kit-only thing)? HDD would be 250GB since they'd just be going off the shelf.

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

Wasdie

How about 720p/60 FPS, or 1080p/30 FPS ?

I personally expect we'll be seeing one of those...

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

Wasdie

I'm mostly talking about the 1080P 3D 60fps FPS part which is impossible to acheive.

Let's just hope they have a decent dedicated GPU with that A10

[QUOTE="hoola"]

It is based on A10 APUs and they want to run games at 1080p at 60fps with 3D enabled. I don't think existing APUs are even remotely powerful enough to do that.

Wasdie

Just becuase it has an A10 APU doesn't mean it can't have a dedicated GPU.

They could also beef up the GPU part of the APU. Just becuase it's based off of something that exists already, doesn't mean it's not subject to modification.

I guess thats true. Never really thought about it having a dedicated GPU. Depending on how well they work together we could see that 1080p at 60fps with 3D.

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

Rocker6

How about 720p/60 FPS, or 1080p/30 FPS ?

I personally expect we'll be seeing one of those...

Those are probably going to be used quite a bit too.

I still think for the absolute best looking games out there you'll see 720p at 30fps.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

super600

I'm mostly talking about the 1080P 3D 60fps FPS part which is impossible to acheive.

Depends on your method of 3D. There is more than one way to do 3D. I know PC's can hit that easily.

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

loosingENDS

Lol another wrong post from you whats new....
The A10 5800k can run BF3 on low settings at 720p at 67 fps, or at 1680x1050 at 40fps
It can run Crysis 2 with high quality at 720p at 35 fps
Max Payne 3 normal quality at 720p at 49 fps
And the mother of all games the Witcher 2 at 720p full medium settings 32 fps :shock:

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

super600

I'm mostly talking about the 1080P 3D 60fps FPS part which is impossible to acheive.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ditching the Cell is the best move they can make. They'll radcially lower production costs, lower heat, lower power consumption, all while increasing power and flexibility of the system.

Honestly this rumor doesn't sound far-fetched. 1080p at 60fps isn't all that difficult to achive with modern GPUs, even budget ones. Dev kits usually have more RAM than the final system, and a 256 gig harddrive sounds kind of like a sweet spot for price/size.

I think in the end we'll still see most games at 720p at 30 FPS. Unlike PCs, developers here only have a fininte amount of resources. If they choose to go 1080p at 60 fps, the games will have to take a hit somewhere. Unlike on the PC where you can make your game look as good as you want within reason and just tell people to throw more hardware at it.

clyde46

I'm mostly talking about the 1080P 3D 60fps FPS part which is impossible to acheive.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="super600"]

I'm mostly talking about the 1080P 3D 60fps FPS part which is impossible to acheive.

ShadowDeathX

Nice! Bring next gen on.

Nice!

The source confirmed the following things for the PS4:-

- Blu-ray, definitely
- AMD A10 APU series
- 1080p at 60fps (Very nice)
- 8GB or 16GB of RAM (Awesome! But 8GB is more likely)
- 256GB standard hard drive (Unclear whether HDD or SSD)
- Wi-Fi, Ethernet and HDMI port (just like PS3)
- Revamped UI (talking about XMB)

Sounds like a great system! Hopefully they'll make good exclusives for it to warrant my purchase.

is that good? cus i don't know **** about this sort of stuff.:P

i wouldn't dream too much of having games running on UE4 with 1080p/60fps.

i wouldn't dream too much of having games running on UE4 with 1080p/60fps.

silversix_

An A10? Doesn't sound good, but then I guess it's to be expected with a company that's under financial stress.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

04dcarraher

Lol another wrong post from you whats new....
The A10 5800k can run BF3 on low settings at 720p at 67 fps, or at 1680x1050 at 40fps
It can run Crysis 2 with high quality at 720p at 35 fps
Max Payne 3 normal quality at 720p at 49 fps
And the mother of all games the Witcher 2 at 720p full medium settings 32 fps :shock:

Xbox 360 runs BF3 on high settings in 30fps, which destroys what A10 GPU does

Xbox 360 runs Witcher 2 in 720p and 30fps with more advanced lighting than PC and above medium settings

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

loosingENDS

Lol another wrong post from you whats new....
The A10 5800k can run BF3 on low settings at 720p at 67 fps, or at 1680x1050 at 40fps
It can run Crysis 2 with high quality at 720p at 35 fps
Max Payne 3 normal quality at 720p at 49 fps
And the mother of all games the Witcher 2 at 720p full medium settings 32 fps :shock:

Xbox 360 runs BF3 on high settings in 30fps, which destroys what A10 GPU does

Xbox 360 runs Witcher 2 in 720p and 30fps with more advanced lighting than PC and above medium settings

BF3 on consoles ran the game with many setings below the low settings compared to PC version. BF3 requires a direct x 10 gpu with 512mb of memory, something the 360 cant do.

Also your so delusional about TW2 is really sad. its been explained to you so many times im not going to bother

And to remind you how how ignorant you are about certain things, famous quote from you.

"My PC is not a gaming PC in the sense that does not have a GPU that will run games in playable frame rates, other than that is a DX11 GPU that will run any game in any setting"

Anyone really expecting 16gb ram is seriously fooling themselves. I think at a max it will be 8GB, there is simply no need for extra RAM. Sure they an throw extra RAM in but to use it up would require extremely large games, which would require extra power from everything else. The next gen benchmark will be Unreal Engine 4, so whatever the requirements are for that to be running at 60fps 1080 with no AA or 2xAA if your lucky and you have the next gen systems.

Nice!

The source confirmed the following things for the PS4:-

- Blu-ray, definitely
- AMD A10 APU series
- 1080p at 60fps (Very nice)
- 8GB or 16GB of RAM (Awesome! But 8GB is more likely)
- 256GB standard hard drive (Unclear whether HDD or SSD)
- Wi-Fi, Ethernet and HDMI port (just like PS3)
- Revamped UI (talking about XMB)

Sounds like a great system! Hopefully they'll make good exclusives for it to warrant my purchase.

GamerwillzPS

16GB of RAM would be incredible. That would mean 32 times more RAM than current gen consoles :o

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Nice!

The source confirmed the following things for the PS4:-

- Blu-ray, definitely
- AMD A10 APU series
- 1080p at 60fps (Very nice)
- 8GB or 16GB of RAM (Awesome! But 8GB is more likely)
- 256GB standard hard drive (Unclear whether HDD or SSD)
- Wi-Fi, Ethernet and HDMI port (just like PS3)
- Revamped UI (talking about XMB)

Sounds like a great system! Hopefully they'll make good exclusives for it to warrant my purchase.

PAL360

16GB of RAM would be incredible. That would mean 32 times more RAM than current gen consoles :o

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Nice!

The source confirmed the following things for the PS4:-

- Blu-ray, definitely
- AMD A10 APU series
- 1080p at 60fps (Very nice)
- 8GB or 16GB of RAM (Awesome! But 8GB is more likely)
- 256GB standard hard drive (Unclear whether HDD or SSD)
- Wi-Fi, Ethernet and HDMI port (just like PS3)
- Revamped UI (talking about XMB)

Sounds like a great system! Hopefully they'll make good exclusives for it to warrant my purchase.

PAL360

16GB of RAM would be incredible. That would mean 32 times more RAM than current gen consoles :o

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

AMDs A10 GPU is far worst than xbox 360 GPU

That is obviously not PS4, probably something mobile

Using this APU would be like going 5 years back in power comparing to high end cards today

loosingENDS

Lol another wrong post from you whats new....
The A10 5800k can run BF3 on low settings at 720p at 67 fps, or at 1680x1050 at 40fps
It can run Crysis 2 with high quality at 720p at 35 fps
Max Payne 3 normal quality at 720p at 49 fps
And the mother of all games the Witcher 2 at 720p full medium settings 32 fps :shock:

Xbox 360 runs BF3 on high settings in 30fps, which destroys what A10 GPU does

Xbox 360 runs Witcher 2 in 720p and 30fps with more advanced lighting than PC and above medium settings