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#1 BIGtex42
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Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

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#2 WilliamRLBaker
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Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

BIGtex42
Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc
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eh, it's not that ... because they're not graphically demanding on a powerhouse console they lose appeal. 

it's that i can already play those games elsewhere. if i really wanted to, i already would have. But yeah sure great, increase the size of the library. 

Increase the PS4 library with a trillion indies that are shared with the PC? Has no effect. 

Release one game for the PS4 which is hugely appealling to me - you might get my money. 

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#4 FlamesOfGrey
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No. a lot of Indie games are better then full retail titles. Also, the reason Sony hasn't announced very many major retail titles is because Sony is actually still supporting the PS3 and the Vita. PS3 this year from 1st Party has 6 exclusives and 2 multiplatform games. Vita also had a decent number of 1st party titles this year.
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Having more games available to choose from is now a negative?  Fanboys never run out of stupid arguments to bring to the table in an attempt to down play the competition.  

The fact that Sony has not abandon high profile big budget games is all that is needed to show that what you said is desperate and ignorant.  Sony having the best of all that is available for gamers to choose from is the goal of Sony to gain their competitive edge.  

Oh and please give us all an in depth review of all the games in PS4's lineup since you have already played the final versions and accessed their quality.  

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#6 tormentos
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Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

BIGtex42

 

WTF .?

 

Resugun would not run on xbox 360 without been completely gimped,and how do you know games on PS4 are garbage.?

Have you play them.?

Hell what is great on one.?

Froza 5 .? a recycle game from last gen.?

 

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#7 tormentos
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[QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

WilliamRLBaker

Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

 

The PS3 got alot of indie games,and sony has support indies since the PS1 days with net yaroze before the xbox brand was even here.

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#8 tormentos
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Having more games available to choose from is now a negative?  Fanboys never run out of stupid arguments to bring to the table in an attempt to down play the competition.  

The fact that Sony has not abandon high profile big budget games is all that is needed to show that what you said is desperate and ignorant.  Sony having the best of all that is available for gamers to choose from is the goal of Sony to gain their competitive edge.  

Oh and please give us all an in depth review of all the games in PS4's lineup since you have already played the final versions and accessed their quality.  

kinectthedots

 

Funny enough when MS was question about indy games,thay say next year which show that MS crappy policies did scare indies away,on the PS4 you don't even need to buy games with your unit at launch there are some good games free to play and even online,is like sony can't really do wrong this gen,they are covering every base.

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#9 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

WilliamRLBaker
Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

...now that's ironic. :P
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#10 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

tormentos

Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

 

The PS3 got alot of indie games,and sony has support indies since the PS1 days with net yaroze before the xbox brand was even here.

*laughs* keep telling your self that, because you were one of the folks last generation saying indie games were shit. lol net yaroze a failed thing no one used or bought,
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#11 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

OhSnapitz
Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

...now that's ironic. :P

nah just hypocrisy.
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#12 tormentos
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*laughs* keep telling your self that, because you were one of the folks last generation saying indie games were shit. lol net yaroze a failed thing no one used or bought,WilliamRLBaker

 

You can go there and quote me...

 

Fact is there was an indy dev kit for the PS1 is call yaroze is a black PS1 and was here before the xbox brand even existed,it was also on PS2 as well dude.

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No. a lot of Indie games are better then full retail titles. FlamesOfGrey
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#14 Floppy_Jim
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I don't think you know what irony is. Because I sure don't.
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#15 tormentos
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nah just hypocrisy.WilliamRLBaker

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsTC_ogJ4mc

 

:lol:

 

The xbox didn't even existed...

But but MS is who created indies indies only existed on xbox...

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#16 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] *laughs* keep telling your self that, because you were one of the folks last generation saying indie games were shit. lol net yaroze a failed thing no one used or bought,tormentos

 

You can go there and quote me...

 

Fact is there was an indy dev kit for the PS1 is call yaroze is a black PS1 and was here before the xbox brand even existed,it was also on PS2 as well dude.

lol I never said net no one purchase crap yaroze didn't exist, I did say no one purchased it or used it it was a failure, and microsoft did VASTLY more this generation to support indies than Sony ever did hence why there are vastly more XBLA games than there are psn games. Don't have to quote as a rampant useless fanboy whom likely doesn't own the systems he talks about I on the other hand do and manage to play the games, And since those indie games were on 360 its pretty common knowledge that you will always call them shit.
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#17 kinectthedots
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] [QUOTE="tormentos"] Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etcWilliamRLBaker

 

The PS3 got alot of indie games,and sony has support indies since the PS1 days with net yaroze before the xbox brand was even here.

*laughs* keep telling your self that, because you were one of the folks last generation saying indie games were shit. lol net yaroze a failed thing no one used or bought,

was he really?  Do you have evidence to back that up?  I have never heard anyone say indies were S#!+.  

I did, however, see people criticize xbox as a game platform because MS relied too heavily on indie games while having their big budget high quality retail software resemble a desert waste land out side of Halo/Forza/Gears.

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I never had a problem with Microsoft pushing indie titles on XBLA. Braid, Castle Crashers, Fez, Limbo, Mark of the Ninja, etc. all fantastic titles. My only problem was around 2010, they seem to have dropped supporting other titles that were Fable, Forza, Gears, and Halo. Instead they started focusing on Kinect titles while all of their really good games were all indies or third-party. First-party wasn't that appealing to me.

Sony on the other hand, yeah, they're off to a rocky start with big-budget titles. Many of them are still in early development it seems but we know they're coming. Plus, all of the indie titles they shown look great in my opinion. So, I'm content.

For the record, I'll admit that even though I'm not too interested in the Xbox One's lineup, it's good to see a hefty around of variety they have. I just hope it continues.

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#19 FoxbatAlpha
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[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

Having more games available to choose from is now a negative?  Fanboys never run out of stupid arguments to bring to the table in an attempt to down play the competition.  

The fact that Sony has not abandon high profile big budget games is all that is needed to show that what you said is desperate and ignorant.  Sony having the best of all that is available for gamers to choose from is the goal of Sony to gain their competitive edge.  

Oh and please give us all an in depth review of all the games in PS4's lineup since you have already played the final versions and accessed their quality.  

tormentos

 

Funny enough when MS was question about indy games,thay say next year which show that MS crappy policies did scare indies away,on the PS4 you don't even need to buy games with your unit at launch there are some good games free to play and even online,is like sony can't really do wrong this gen,they are covering every base.

Sony really can't do wrong this gen? Hahahahahahahaha! Stop it you're killing me!!! I just found my new sig.
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#20 kinectthedots
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I never had a problem with Microsoft pushing indie titles on XBLA. Braid, Castle Crashers, Fez, Limbo, Mark of the Ninja, etc. all fantastic titles. My only problem was around 2010, they seem to have dropped supporting other titles that were Fable, Forza, Gears, and Halo. Instead they started focusing on Kinect titles while all of their really good games were all indies or third-party. First-party wasn't that appealing to me.

Sony on the other hand, yeah, they're off to a rocky start with big-budget titles. Many of them are still in early development it seems but we know they're coming. Plus, all of the indie titles they shown look great in my opinion. So, I'm content.

For the record, I'll admit that even though I'm not too interested in the Xbox One's lineup, it's good to see a hefty around of variety they have. I just hope it continues.

DrRockso87

That is the same thing I said.  

I think some fanboys are desperate to try to change the circumstances over what was criticized and what wasn't.  A good game is a good game, but a parent company shouldn't drop support for the big budget games and rely on smaller scale no-risk titles mid generation out of laziness or not wanting to invest in bigger riskier projects.  

The accusation of saying sony fans said indies "were s#!t" is a fabrication.

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#21 BIGtex42
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WTF .?

 

Resugun would not run on xbox 360 without been completely gimped,and how do you know games on PS4 are garbage.?

Have you play them.?

Hell what is great on one.?

Froza 5 .? a recycle game from last gen.?

 

 

1. its a side-scroller... who cares about side scrolling graphics?

2. they are garbage besides the ones i mentioned, who the hell is honestly excited to play knack? sorry if i offended the whole one person that is 

3. Forza is a major franchise that has received critical acclaim for every release. even if it is "recycled" (its a racing sim, what to you want?) at least its coming to next gen instead of sitting on the 360.  what do you think killzone is going to be but a super generic FPS with awesome graphics? dead rising is a critically acclaimed franchise as well. oh and titanfall is one of the most anticipated game coming out that could be a console seller.

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#22 moistsandwich
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[QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

WilliamRLBaker

Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

Whats a "sheen"?

Also I dont remember PS3 owners talking bad about indie games.. unless u mean XBLA games... but XBLA =/= Indie, so....?

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#23 John_Matherson
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[QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

WilliamRLBaker
Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

No we didn't complain about indies, and dude drop the stupid "sheen" crap. You keep reminding me of that kid from Jimmy Neutron. Anyway, we didn't complain about indies. I remember when MS first launched that stupid campaign to get more amateurs involved in programming for XBL. We didn't say it was stupid, we just saw it exactly for what it was. Another Ms's attempt to scheme for money.
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Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

BIGtex42

Indie games can look better then an 360 game.   Have you played Outlast on PC?   That is an Indie game and it looks better than most games now, and it's gonna be on PS4

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It acts as a great filler, especially during the launch window. The Xbox One and PS4 won't have a solid stream of full retail games for quite some time. The great thing is that the PS4 will have substantial line up of indie and F2P games to keep people hooked on the system.

I honestly believe the 6 months from January leading up to E3 will be extremely important and the one thing that will clearly distinguish the PS4 and Xbox One will be the indie and F2P games. Microsoft will have some big problems if they let Sony walk into E3 with an advantage. They may just be indie and F2P games but Sony is crafting a gamers console and establishing that this early on will set the tone for the rest of the generation. A launch advantage is huge and the Xbox 360 proves that. It took Sony years, even with their in-house studios, to even begin a comeback with the PS3. 

Microsoft needs to come out of the gate and prove to people that XBL and Kinect is the future. They also need Titanfall to be a system seller. If Microsoft can establish a new killer franchise this early on, it'll help them tremendously because its just a matter of time until they whip out Halo. 

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#26 RR360DD
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Yeah I don't find the indiestation 4 appealing at all.

And all those timed console exclusives :lol: What a joke

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1. its a side-scroller... who cares about side scrolling graphics?

2. they are garbage besides the ones i mentioned, who the hell is honestly excited to play knack? sorry if i offended the whole one person that is 

3. Forza is a major franchise that has received critical acclaim for every release. even if it is "recycled" (its a racing sim, what to you want?) at least its coming to next gen instead of sitting on the 360.  what do you think killzone is going to be but a super generic FPS with awesome graphics? dead rising is a critically acclaimed franchise as well. oh and titanfall is one of the most anticipated game coming out that could be a console seller.

BIGtex42

 

Many do and yes is a side scroller that use some incredible physics and techniques.

Who would be interested to play Ryse if it wasn't because of the fact that is a xbox one exclusive it would not even be mention by now by sites,even less with the whole bug fest the game is.

Forza is a mary -go -round franchise just like Halo is now and is the reason why the last 2 ones fall from the whole 9 grace that they once were.

Dead Rysing critically acclaimed WTF..

 

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=Dead+rising&numrev=3&site=

Is a damn average game at best dude,85% the highest it got,even Resistance 1 is higher rated than that and is consider garbage here..

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=Resistance&numrev=3&site=

 

TitanFall is not xbox one exclusive i don't need and xbox one to play that game..

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I think indies are heavily unrated. There are some very creative games. If you're just into something like COD, then of course indies will be garbage to you.

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#29 tormentos
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Yeah I don't find the indiestation 4 appealing at all.

And all those timed console exclusives :lol: What a joke

RR360DD

 

That is funny since Titanfall which is one of the most hyped xbox one,is not exclusive in any way...:lol:

At least the PS4 has games more than the xbox one,games are games dude.

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#30 TheFadeForever
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Infamous second son isn;t even a launch title

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#31 psymon100
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Infamous second son isn;t even a launch title

TheFadeForever

Is that right?

Holy crap - I just checked. It's not a launch title. Looks like the launch exclusives are Killzone, DriveClub, Knack, ... ugh that's all my local retailer gives me. Are there any more? I know there are other non-retail exclusives like Resogun. 

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I more worried about quality control on the storefront, there's already a lot of crap that comes through the big publishers, self publishing is going to make things worse. Hopefully they separate this stuff.
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#33 TheFadeForever
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[QUOTE="TheFadeForever"]

Infamous second son isn;t even a launch title

psymon100

Is that right?

Holy crap - I just checked. It's not a launch title. Looks like the launch exclusives are Killzone, DriveClub, Knack, ... ugh that's all my local retailer gives me. Are there any more? I know there are other non-retail exclusives like Resogun. 

Don't know the major ones don;t interest me at all so I'll pass

 

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#34 killerneub
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Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

BIGtex42
what games on the XBone launch lineup are any better?
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its just u.
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#36 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="BIGtex42"]

Does anyone else find ironic that while one major point of consideration of the PS4 is the power and another is the number of indie games when these games require probably less power than the 360 even has meanwhile the actual games on the PS4 launch lineup are kinda garbage minus Infamous and killzone..... or is it just me?

WilliamRLBaker

Eh don't think thats the meaning of ironic but its even funnier that last gen Sheens couldn't shutup about how indies were complete shit and the ps3 was getting proper games...etc...etc

What is a "Sheen"?
Why are you the only one using it?
 

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#38 Planeforger  Online
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It is a bit odd that Sony is pushing for indie appeal on the PS4, when relatively few people are going to buy a PS4 for indie titles (there's a much better range on the PC), and it isn't a market they can ever hope to conquer (console markets are too closed/expensive for indie games to take off as welp as they do on the PC, and Sony has this tendency to make indie games not 'indie' by funding and publishing them).
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#39 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Yeah I don't find the indiestation 4 appealing at all.

And all those timed console exclusives :lol: What a joke

tormentos

 

That is funny since Titanfall which is one of the most hyped xbox one,is not exclusive in any way...:lol:

At least the PS4 has games more than the xbox one,games are games dude.

And? At least Titanfall is a GAME and not a 1 hour "experience"

:lol:

PS4 list is literally filler. You know somethings wrong when Clownzone is the most appealing launch window title lmao