Official PSN Triangle of doom Thread

So we have One gorpu of Hackers attacking PSN (Idahca), One group of Hackers Attacking Sony's Music Service or so they claim (Lulzsec) and we still have that threat from anonymous that they will Attaack Sony themselves when PSN is back up (Which may effect PSN) even thought they are acting quite.

What's your take on this? This, to me, Has gotten pretty ridiculous but it has gotten to the point where hackers pretty much use Sony to practice for something bigger. This is completely crazy, and really, I don't think there is a valid reason for attacking them anymore. The first Anonymous un a few weeks ago may have had a reason, but come on? All these hacks at the same damn time? Who knows what will happen. Maybe these gropus are connected.

Feds nabbed a bunch. They'll talk.TheMoreYouOwn

honestly with the fbi and homeland getting involved you would think these "geniues" would just take what they already did to sony and just vanish. This is why we can't have nice things and its things like this that give the government great cause to get involve with internet and other things.

There really never was a valid reason to hack in first place, or a reason for anonymous to hate Sony other than their insecure and immature self-righteousness.funsohng

Gotta tell ya, I lol'd at the title and it's specifications quite a bit.:lol:

Gotta tell ya, I lol'd at the title and it's specifications quite a bit.:lol:

sanim02

Feds nabbed a bunch. They'll talk.TheMoreYouOwn

Four people isn't a bunch. :|

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

Gotta tell ya, I lol'd at the title and it's specifications quite a bit.:lol:

Captainqwark10

I wasn't lol'ing at your theory so to speak but the clever use of the title and it's specifications itself.:P More like a chuckle if you may, nothing ballistic or threatening to society.:P

so i heard lulzsec say they will hack sony yesterday. so is it real?

I think that Sony went overboard with all the suing, trying to rip a million euros from some average joe is pretty much trying to destroy his life, and they threatened hundreds of hackers with the same fate, so I understand the retaliation. But now the hackers are going overboard, the point is made, time to call it quits, they're only justifying Sony's earlier craziness.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Feds nabbed a bunch. They'll talk.Crazyguy105

Four people isn't a bunch. :|

Well... that's what you get if you attack a hacker :/

Well... that's what you get if you attack a hacker :/

ArchoNils2

I think that Sony went overboard with all the suing, trying to rip a million euros from some average joe is pretty much trying to destroy his life, and they threatened hundreds of hackers with the same fate, so I understand the retaliation. But now the hackers are going overboard, the point is made, time to call it quits, they're only justifying Sony's earlier craziness.

ManicAce

Having their lives destroyed is exactly what hackers deserve. Hopefully, once the feds catch them, they will spend at least half their lives in federal prison. Especially if convicted of attacking the bank companies and stealing credit card numbers and personal info (identity theft). Prosecutors should be merciless. 70 million charges of identity theft. **** YEAH!

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

KevinnButlerNPK

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

So we have One gorpu of Hackers attacking PSN (Idahca), One group of Hackers Attacking Sony's Music Service or so they claim (Lulzsec) and we still have that threat from anonymous that they will Attaack Sony themselves when PSN is back up (Which may effect PSN) even thought they are acting quite.

What's your take on this? This, to me, Has gotten pretty ridiculous but it has gotten to the point where hackers pretty much use Sony to practice for something bigger. This is completely crazy, and really, I don't think there is a valid reason for attacking them anymore. The first Anonymous un a few weeks ago may have had a reason, but come on? All these hacks at the same damn time? Who knows what will happen. Maybe these gropus are connected.

Captainqwark10

I voted that this has gotten out of hand and severe punishment is warranted. Once PSN was hacked and person information stolen, this stopped being about Sony being "evil" and became solely about the hacker's overinflated sense of self entitlement and ego. While this is costing Sony money, the fact is that the people who are really being punished by the hackers is us, the users. The gamers and normal people who are unable to use their consoles because some hackers feel they have some sort of rights that, frankly, they really don't have.

And the fact that they don't seem to realize who they are harming all because like 20 people want to run linux, or whatever idiotic reason they are spewing out this week, only proves to me that they are out of touch elitists who care only about themselves and not about corporate "evil" or anything else. They only care about themselves and they don't care who they harm as long as they get what they want.

Sorry, but that to me says these hackers arejerks (anything worse willbe censored, but you get the picture), bullies, andbehaving like immature babies. This has gone on long enough and needs to stop.

[QUOTE="ManicAce"]

I think that Sony went overboard with all the suing, trying to rip a million euros from some average joe is pretty much trying to destroy his life, and they threatened hundreds of hackers with the same fate, so I understand the retaliation. But now the hackers are going overboard, the point is made, time to call it quits, they're only justifying Sony's earlier craziness.

argetlam00

Having their lives destroyed is exactly what hackers deserve. Hopefully, once the feds catch them, they will spend at least half their lives in federal prison. Especially if convicted of attacking the bank companies and stealing credit card numbers and personal info (identity theft). Prosecutors should be merciless. 70 million charges of identity theft. **** YEAH!

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="ManicAce"]

I think that Sony went overboard with all the suing, trying to rip a million euros from some average joe is pretty much trying to destroy his life, and they threatened hundreds of hackers with the same fate, so I understand the retaliation. But now the hackers are going overboard, the point is made, time to call it quits, they're only justifying Sony's earlier craziness.

Captainqwark10

Having their lives destroyed is exactly what hackers deserve. Hopefully, once the feds catch them, they will spend at least half their lives in federal prison. Especially if convicted of attacking the bank companies and stealing credit card numbers and personal info (identity theft). Prosecutors should be merciless. 70 million charges of identity theft. **** YEAH!

Hacking and doing millions of dollar in damage to a corporation. Hacking bank accounts during the hype with WikLeaks. Stealing millions of people's personal info and credit cards? No man, thats ALOT of years in jail. Infact, it could very well be good enough to send them away for their whole lives. Especially if the judge wants to make an example.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

argetlam00

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Having their lives destroyed is exactly what hackers deserve. Hopefully, once the feds catch them, they will spend at least half their lives in federal prison. Especially if convicted of attacking the bank companies and stealing credit card numbers and personal info (identity theft). Prosecutors should be merciless. 70 million charges of identity theft. **** YEAH!

argetlam00

Hacking and doing millions of dollar in damage to a corporation. Hacking bank accounts during the hype with WikLeaks. Stealing millions of people's personal info and credit cards? No man, thats ALOT of years in jail. Infact, it could very well be good enough to send them away for their whole lives. Especially if the judge wants to make an example.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

KevinnButlerNPK

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

We all know Sony has **** cyber security. But I doubt they were expecting an attack on their servers like that. Now they know better. Either way, if you rob a bank, its not the banks lack of security that is at fault for it. YOU are.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]There really never was a valid reason to hack in first place, or a reason for anonymous to hate Sony other than their insecure and immature self-righteousness.Captainqwark10

It wasn't that, it was once Sony obtained the right to find out who visited his sites, plus when they got hold of his Youtube, and a bunch of his other accounts.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"] That's equal to about 2 months in jail.

KevinnButlerNPK

Hacking and doing millions of dollar in damage to a corporation. Hacking bank accounts during the hype with WikLeaks. Stealing millions of people's personal info and credit cards? No man, thats ALOT of years in jail. Infact, it could very well be good enough to send them away for their whole lives. Especially if the judge wants to make an example.

Except the Feds are on the case right now, not Sony. This is big enough to reach the FBI and just about every civilized country in the world has strict laws against hacking. Its pretty clear these guys are either American or European anyway.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

argetlam00

We all know Sony has **** cyber security. But I doubt they were expecting an attack on their servers like that. Now they know better. Either way, if you rob a bank, its not the banks lack of security that is at fault for it. YOU are.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

argetlam00

We all know Sony has **** cyber security. But I doubt they were expecting an attack on their servers like that. Now they know better. Either way, if you rob a bank, its not the banks lack of security that is at fault for it. YOU are.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]Because Sony brought it upon themselves. Starting a war against a better prepared oppunant ,misleading consumers and then demaning the fanbase afterwards shows Sony doesn't care. Watching people still support Sony is funny. It was Sony that denied these services by not taking the threat seriously and providing the needed security,,,

KevinnButlerNPK

We all know Sony has **** cyber security. But I doubt they were expecting an attack on their servers like that. Now they know better. Either way, if you rob a bank, its not the banks lack of security that is at fault for it. YOU are.

LOL, of course it isn't. I'd love to see any bank robber tell a court that it was the banks fault they were robbed. AHAHAHAH

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Hacking and doing millions of dollar in damage to a corporation. Hacking bank accounts during the hype with WikLeaks. Stealing millions of people's personal info and credit cards? No man, thats ALOT of years in jail. Infact, it could very well be good enough to send them away for their whole lives. Especially if the judge wants to make an example.

argetlam00

Except the Feds are on the case right now, not Sony. This is big enough to reach the FBI and just about every civilized country in the world has strict laws against hacking. Its pretty clear these guys are either American or European anyway.

Sounds like terrorism to me, looks like a new target for the anti terrorism units...send in the rangers!!!

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] It depends what country they are from. Not every country in the world has strict hacking laws. Also Sony can't find them...

KevinnButlerNPK

Except the Feds are on the case right now, not Sony. This is big enough to reach the FBI and just about every civilized country in the world has strict laws against hacking. Its pretty clear these guys are either American or European anyway.

You think these hackers are citizens of a 3rd world ghetto? Seriously? Lets be realistic here. They are almost certainly citizens of European or North American country. Even if they do reside in said 3rd world ghetto that has no extradition to the US, if they have citizenship elsewhere, the US can reuest it from that country to extract them. SO right when they go home they are screwed.

What's being done is "White Collar Criminality." Some info and food for thought.

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[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

Well... that's what you get if you attack a hacker :/

Captainqwark10

Well attack could be the wrong word (don't know which fits it better, english is just my third language), but all the stuff Sony did with GeoHot was just wrong. They went to the judges and took all his computers, tried to give him a forfeit he couldn't possible pay. No wonder hackers got angry because of that. You just don't screw a hacker, anyone with a common sense should know that. Especially if you use outdated software with known exploits -.-'

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Except the Feds are on the case right now, not Sony. This is big enough to reach the FBI and just about every civilized country in the world has strict laws against hacking. Its pretty clear these guys are either American or European anyway.

argetlam00

You think these hackers are citizens of a 3rd world ghetto? Seriously? Lets be realistic here. They are almost certainly citizens of European or North American country.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] So what if they trace it to a country that is non extradition to the US authorites? Nigeria is a prime example. The FBI can provide you with plenty of cases of hackers from that country but are powerless against them...

KevinnButlerNPK

You think these hackers are citizens of a 3rd world ghetto? Seriously? Lets be realistic here. They are almost certainly citizens of European or North American country.

Not blind speculation. Reasonable deduction from their activities. These hackers are involved with things like Wikileaks and Xbox360, PS3 and Wii. What kind of 3rd world ghetto citizen hackers would give a **** about that?

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

You think these hackers are citizens of a 3rd world ghetto? Seriously? Lets be realistic here. They are almost certainly citizens of European or North American country.

argetlam00

Not blind speculation. Reasonable deduction from their activities. These hackers are involved with things like Wikileaks and Xbox360, PS3 and Wii. What kind of 3rd world ghetto citizen hackers would give a **** about that?

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

argetlam00

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

Because Sony is trying constantly to screw consumers in a very discrete manner. Sometimes not so discrete. If you are happy asking "how high" when Sony tells you to jump so be it but don't be surprised when people ask "why do you like getting screwed corporations so much?".

I prefer to choose companies that is less deceitful or "the lesser of evils" if you will. And for the record, I never cheer any of them on.

Feds nabbed a bunch. They'll talk.TheMoreYouOwn

honestly with the fbi and homeland getting involved you would think these "geniues" would just take what they already did to sony and just vanish. This is why we can't have nice things and its things like this that give the government great cause to get involve with internet and other things.

Chris_Williams

What's being done is "White Collar Criminality." Some info and food for thought.

Link

Link

Link

TheMoreYouOwn

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]

So we have One gorpu of Hackers attacking PSN (Idahca), One group of Hackers Attacking Sony's Music Service or so they claim (Lulzsec) and we still have that threat from anonymous that they will Attaack Sony themselves when PSN is back up (Which may effect PSN) even thought they are acting quite.

What's your take on this? This, to me, Has gotten pretty ridiculous but it has gotten to the point where hackers pretty much use Sony to practice for something bigger. This is completely crazy, and really, I don't think there is a valid reason for attacking them anymore. The first Anonymous un a few weeks ago may have had a reason, but come on? All these hacks at the same damn time? Who knows what will happen. Maybe these gropus are connected.

ZIMdoom

I voted that this has gotten out of hand and severe punishment is warranted. Once PSN was hacked and person information stolen, this stopped being about Sony being "evil" and became solely about the hacker's overinflated sense of self entitlement and ego. While this is costing Sony money, the fact is that the people who are really being punished by the hackers is us, the users. The gamers and normal people who are unable to use their consoles because some hackers feel they have some sort of rights that, frankly, they really don't have.

And the fact that they don't seem to realize who they are harming all because like 20 people want to run linux, or whatever idiotic reason they are spewing out this week, only proves to me that they are out of touch elitists who care only about themselves and not about corporate "evil" or anything else. They only care about themselves and they don't care who they harm as long as they get what they want.

Sorry, but that to me says these hackers arejerks (anything worse willbe censored, but you get the picture), bullies, andbehaving like immature babies. This has gone on long enough and needs to stop.

I am betting they fail. If Sony can win once it would slow down the attacks. As long as they are winning it's not going to stop. HarlockJC

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

daledoback

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

Because Sony is trying constantly to screw consumers in a very discrete manner. Sometimes not so discrete. If you are happy asking "how high" when Sony tells you to jump so be it but don't be surprised when people ask "why do you like getting screwed corporations so much?".

I prefer to choose companies that is less deceitful or "the lesser of evils" if you will. And for the record, I never cheer any of them on.

and when have you had to ask them "how high?" ????

Please.." '______' corporation is evil!!!!" Umm... then don't buy their products, why do you have to support hackers that aren't looking out for you in the least??!?!

I'll continue to enjoy their products.. whether it be sound, video, or gaming.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

Watching people continue to post anything positive and cheer Sony us refreshingly funny and will never get old. Sony can't stop the hackers, they have already proven this but keep cheering and grasping. It's more entertaining then most of the games on PS3...

daledoback

Whats wrong with cheering for Sony? WHy would I spupport scum who would try to deny services that we want to use?

Because Sony is trying constantly to screw consumers in a very discrete manner. Sometimes not so discrete. If you are happy asking "how high" when Sony tells you to jump so be it but don't be surprised when people ask "why do you like getting screwed corporations so much?".

I prefer to choose companies that is less deceitful or "the lesser of evils" if you will. And for the record, I never cheer any of them on.

I am betting they fail. If Sony can win once it would slow down the attacks. As long as they are winning it's not going to stop.HarlockJC

Sounds like Sony needs to hire Charlie Sheen to head the new security division :P.

If someone robs a bank because they called out all bank robbers and then had out of date security, it isn't the banks fault? Sure it isn't....

KevinnButlerNPK

The law is the law, and the law says that (a) people have a right to free speech, and (b) robbing a bank is illegal.

It makes no difference if the bank calls out bank robbers, the bank robbers still broke the law. The only exception would be if the "calling out" was agreed upon by both the bank and the robbers that no harm would come to the bank and/or customers and this was merely a means to test the security.

The fact is that regardless of the EXCUSES these whiny hackers are using, they are hurting the users. That is why we aren't blaming Sony. The hackers stole personal data including credit card info. In some countries they stole gamer points. And the damage they have done is not to the benefit of consumers but for themselves ONLY.

So no, you are wrong. The hackers have only themselves to blame and deserve the strictest punishment there is.