no RE5 wii port is a dumb business decision

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#1 darth-pyschosis
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explain to me how a ps2 or wii couldn't run RE5's title screen?

this is a stupid comment. yes, if you don't let there be a resolution for 480p technically the wii and ps2 couldn't display the 600 extra pixels, but instead in 480i

and just like most ps3 and 360 games RE5 will include 480p as an option, so this is technically false

there isn't anything crazy going on in a TITLE SCREEN

seriously, the animations are pratically the same from 4, gameplay is more shooting focused, AI still looks like its happy just to be able to stand up a ladder (AI must be so amazing when 30 people and 2 chainsaw guys run at you and then stop 15 yards away to slowly walk to headshots) this is looking like a good shooter, but not a different game from 4

some say whats broke don't need fixing, and to some degree thats ok. i probably won't mind

but the producer of RE5 doesn't need to be saying dumb stuff like this about the sequel to a great game, which by the way has sold the most units and is praised for the best controls of all versions on a console the sequel isn't currently coming out on

either way you look at it for capcom not to make a 480p less good graphics but still co-op RE5 port to wii (seriously its easier to port it down than up) is a dumb business move

wii resident evil 4 sells the best of all versions. check

wii resident evil 4 praised for best and most precise controls by most media outlets. check

wii owners buy umbrella chronicles in droves. check

wii owners buy other horror games (fatal frame selling 100k in japan in 3 months that 100k is more than the last fatal frame sold on the ps2 in the entire world!)

so why, tell me why does it make any sense for capcom not to pay X amount of money to hire 30 people to port it down to the wii, if only to sell 1 million more copies from a business perspective?

seriously, this isn't a question of whether you'd like a wii version whether you think it will happen or whether you think the wii is good

it is an undeniably open oppurtunity for easy money and capcom is too stuck in there support for this HD generation that the mainstream gaming audience isn't even fully embracing. (i'm talking about the 100 million casual PS2 owners, they want wii's or they don't want to spend money on any new gaming systems)

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#2 jdc6305
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Nah.......the wii will get umbrella cronicles 2 or something like it.
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#3 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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If you want RE5 that much just a buy a 360 for $199. :|

I find it sad that Wii owners want a dumbed-down port instead of a whole new game that can highlight the Wii's capabilities.

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#4 Toriko42
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Nah.......the wii will get umbrella cronicles 2 or something like it.jdc6305
Hahahah enjoy...

Besides, what kind of casual Wii owner would buy it

I owned and loved my Gamecube for all the Resident Evil games, I go where they go.
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#5 darkslider99
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For starters, it'll cost them money to port it to the Wii, so any money they make would need to outweight that cost,and be enough money to justify not working on other projects.

They also need to consider how much profit they could lose from the PS3/360 version through people buying the Wii version instead. If most of the people that buy it for the Wii, were people who were going to buy it on 360/PS3 anyways, why bother making the version?

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#6 Jaysonguy
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I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.
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If you want RE5 that much just a buy a 360 for $199. :|

I find it sad that Wii owners want a dumbed-down port instead of a whole new game that can highlight the Wii's capabilities.

Aljosa23

|This person appears to own a PS3...so I don't get why he's so upset...
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Wii most likely get some PSP graphics game.
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#9 darth-pyschosis
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[QUOTE="jdc6305"]Nah.......the wii will get umbrella cronicles 2 or something like it.Toriko42
Hahahah enjoy...

Besides, what kind of casual Wii owner would buy it

I owned and loved my Gamecube for all the Resident Evil games, I go where they go.

what kind of casual wii owner? the 1.5 million that bought RE4: Wii Edition!

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#10 _Nicky1015_
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Capcom

"Wii can't even run the RE5 title screen"

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perhaps high definition audio and video is a big part of the experience and using older tech would lower the quality of the experience too much. RE5 is a big game with big expectations, i don't see why capcom would want to cut corners to make some extra money. and re5 is really geared towards ps3/360 gamers
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#12 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

If you want RE5 that much just a buy a 360 for $199. :|

I find it sad that Wii owners want a dumbed-down port instead of a whole new game that can highlight the Wii's capabilities.

darkslider99


|This person appears to own a PS3...so I don't get why he's so upset...

Ahh, okay.

Still don't understand why he cares how much profit Capcom makes. :?

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#13 TheOwnerOner
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Outdated hardware was the real dumb business decision.
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#14 DouglasBuffone
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It would cost them more money to port it, it wouldn't sell as well either
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#15 mordogox
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Let me put this simple and plain... the wii sucks that's all.
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#16 too_much_eslim
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why are wii owners surprised by them not getting the top tier 3rd party games. I don't get it. Didn't you guys say you don't care for multiplats and want to play your unique exclusives. Also who are to say their decision is dumb. Game developers like to push the envelope in terms of graphics, sound, immersion, physics, online, and gameplay.

The wii just couldn't do what Capcom envisioned RE5 to be. Sorry you can't play the game if you only own the wii,, but you don't know what your talking about when a developer says it can't be done on such an inferior system.

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#17 LittleHands134
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I'll be honest with you, they aren't going to port RE5 to the Wii any time soon because Wii ports always make the game look bad. Most of them don't play as well as the PS3/360 would have played it, and the graphics are far worse. For a new game, it's like digging your own grave to port it to the Wii anytime close to the release. We might see a Wii port in a year or so.
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#18 deactivated-586249e1b64ba
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If you want RE5 that much just a buy a 360 for $199. :|

I find it sad that Wii owners want a dumbed-down port instead of a whole new game that can highlight the Wii's capabilities.

Aljosa23

All Wii owners would like a whole new game instead of a dumbed-down port. The problem is that, at least for me anyhow, is that going from Wii controls in Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition to analog controls in Resident Evil 5 is a major downgrade. What I've seen so far of RE5 with exception to online co-op hasn't exactly convinced me that it'd take more than a graphics downgrade to bring it to the Wii.

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#19 darth-pyschosis
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Capcom

"Wii can't even run the RE5 title screen"

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_Nicky1015_

did you even read my post? its a title screen! alot of things can run a pretty picture with text!

plus, everyone says it would sell poorly, so why did the RE which will probably be better than 5 sell 1.6 million copies on the wii?

tell me?

i want a wii port because i care more about having the controls i loved so much in the wii version of 4 that i would give up 540p upscaled non-native HD, and 20 characters on screen. that doesn't matter to me, i want non-analog shooting controls.

but hey at least my wii still gets a really scaring horror game in fatal frame 4.

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I agree (despite the Wii suckyness) It wouldnt take much to port the game to the RE4 engine, used on the Wii. Andit would sell atleast 1 million
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#22 redmetal86
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no one will fully understand capcom. it was also a dumb decision to make dead rising: ctyd for the wii, instead of the ps3. apparently theres a reason for dead rising, but capcom is hush hush about it.

a quote from a mod in a locked thread on capcom-unity

There is a very specific reason why it wasn't ported to the PS3 and won't be, but unfortunatly I'm not allowed to tell you why, and honestly I don't know why Capcom doesn't come out and tell people why because if you knew the reason, it makes sense, as does why Dead Rising was built on the RE4 engine instead of just being downgraded from the 360 coding.

taken from here

http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/thread/view/7371/5001673/MVC2_Rated_for_PS2_but_not_Wii&post_num=51#125392376

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#23 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="jdc6305"]Nah.......the wii will get umbrella cronicles 2 or something like it.darth-pyschosis

Hahahah enjoy...

Besides, what kind of casual Wii owner would buy it

I owned and loved my Gamecube for all the Resident Evil games, I go where they go.

what kind of casual wii owner? the 1.5 million that bought RE4: Wii Edition!

Guess I was wrong

Well you're still not getting it
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I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.Jaysonguy

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

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#25 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.BaraChat

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

He's talking about Wii games
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.BaraChat

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

Yeah, I missed where you'd get it wrong Total Wii's = 29.62 Total 360's and PS3's = 34.5 35.5 is more then 29.62. That means that it's cheaper to make a game for the first place platform that the 360 and PS3 both share then it is to make one for the Wii which is in SECOND place. Until the Wii is in FIRST place it's not worth it
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#28 Sonick54
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If you want RE5 that much just a buy a 360 for $199. :|

I find it sad that Wii owners want a dumbed-down port instead of a whole new game that can highlight the Wii's capabilities.

Aljosa23

it's crazy logic indeed

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#29 Androvinus
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sounds like an unhappy sheep. somebody get this guy some grass with extra chlorophyll
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#30 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="BaraChat"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.Jaysonguy

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

Yeah, I missed where you'd get it wrong Total Wii's = 29.62 Total 360's and PS3's = 34.5 35.5 is more then 29.62. That means that it's cheaper to make a game for the first place platform that the 360 and PS3 both share then it is to make one for the Wii which is in SECOND place. Until the Wii is in FIRST place it's not worth it

I mus say that was a great spin on things. I don't know how you came up with that. It is actually pretty sad. i don't care about the wii not geting the game, but that was just .... wow, I am a lost for words.
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#31 Heydanbud92
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boo frickety hoo.

sheep don't want this game anyways right?

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#32 Teuf_
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Why is it that you think that Capcom isn't capable of making rational business decisions. They're the only ones who know whether or not it's practical to port the game to the Wii. If they haven't done so, it's obviously not practical.
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I would like to thank all 1.5 million of you wii owners for funding RE5. thank You so much. If it wasn't for Capcom milking you guys with such a cheap port RE4 and the other zombie games, it probably wouldn't look as good as it does.too_much_eslim

One of the few wii games I actually enjoyed due to the wii controls. I played all 3 version of RE4 btw.

I am disappointed Capcom decided to make a horrible version of Dead Rising for the wii though.

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#34 TheGrat1
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How about this: Maybe, just maybe, some developers dont want to sacrafice their artistic vision to make some easy moolah on the side.If I was a dev I would aim for art first, money second. It helps keep the industry....a little more "pure" in my opinion, instead of just some money-making machine that doesnt care what it spits out as long as people buy it.
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#35 Heydanbud92
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[QUOTE="_Nicky1015_"]

Capcom

"Wii can't even run the RE5 title screen"

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darth-pyschosis

did you even read my post? its a title screen! alot of things can run a pretty picture with text!

plus, everyone says it would sell poorly, so why did the RE which will probably be better than 5 sell 1.6 million copies on the wii?

tell me?

i want a wii port because i care more about having the controls i loved so much in the wii version of 4 that i would give up 540p upscaled non-native HD, and 20 characters on screen. that doesn't matter to me, i want non-analog shooting controls.

but hey at least my wii still gets a really scaring horror game in fatal frame 4.

have you seen the title screen?

it could have realtime graphics going on.

anyways the point he was trying to make by that was, the Wii and PS2 can't come close to running re5 in it's current form. it would take alot more than what they did with Re4 going to PS2, because the difference in HW is like 20 times as much.

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] I would like to thank all 1.5 million of you wii owners for funding RE5. thank You so much. If it wasn't for Capcom milking you guys with such a cheap port RE4 and the other zombie games, it probably wouldn't look as good as it does.istreakforfood

One of the few wii games I actually enjoyed due to the wii controls. I played all 3 version of RE4 btw.

I am disappointed Capcom decided to make a horrible version of Dead Rising for the wii though.

it is indeed sad, but hey people who buy it will be funding my 360/PS3 games. SO I can only thank wii owners.
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[QUOTE="BaraChat"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.Jaysonguy

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

Yeah, I missed where you'd get it wrong Total Wii's = 29.62 Total 360's and PS3's = 34.5 35.5 is more then 29.62. That means that it's cheaper to make a game for the first place platform that the 360 and PS3 both share then it is to make one for the Wii which is in SECOND place. Until the Wii is in FIRST place it's not worth it

You'd have a point if the Xbox 360's and PS3 didn't have radically different coding architecture. But they do...

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#38 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"] Yeah, I missed where you'd get it wrong Total Wii's = 29.62 Total 360's and PS3's = 34.5 35.5 is more then 29.62. That means that it's cheaper to make a game for the first place platform that the 360 and PS3 both share then it is to make one for the Wii which is in SECOND place. Until the Wii is in FIRST place it's not worth ittoo_much_eslim
I mus say that was a great spin on things. I don't know how you came up with that. It is actually pretty sad. i don't care about the wii not geting the game, but that was just .... wow, I am a lost for words.



His logic isn't really faulty. The 360, PS3 , and PC are all on a similar hardware level. This means it's practical to target all 3 with one game. The Wii however has an entirely different level of hardware. So instead developers would basically have to create entirely different versions for the Wii, like Capcom is doing for Dead Rising.

The end result is that when you're comparing marketshare to try to determine where developers will put their games, you have to consider that devs will likely target at least 360 and PS3 (if not 360, PS3, and PC) and not just any single console.
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[QUOTE="BaraChat"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I'll break it down The Wii is in second place in sales, no dev is going to waste money making games for the first loser When the Wii sells enough to be the lead platform then things will chance. As of now it's wrong to ask a dev to take a loss making games for a console not in the lead.Jaysonguy

29.62 millions Wii sold as of June 30th, 2008

22 millions Xbox 360 sold as of September 30th, 2008

14.41 millions PS3 sold as of June 30th, 2008

Oops, you missed something.

Yeah, I missed where you'd get it wrong Total Wii's = 29.62 Total 360's and PS3's = 34.5 35.5 is more then 29.62. That means that it's cheaper to make a game for the first place platform that the 360 and PS3 both share then it is to make one for the Wii which is in SECOND place. Until the Wii is in FIRST place it's not worth it

Wow. 0/10 worst spin attempt I have ever seen and I've watched fox news.

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#40 Teuf_
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You'd have a point if the Xbox 360's and PS3 didn't have radically different coding architecture. But they do...

Kickinurass


It's not about architecture or ease of coding or anything like that, good programmers are plenty good at hiding those details. It's about capabilities. 360 and PS3 are roughly equal in what they can pull off...the Wii is not at all.
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#41 EuroMafia
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They could do it, but they probably won't. Anyway I don't know if that would be a good thing anyway, take dead rising as an example.
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#42 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] I would like to thank all 1.5 million of you wii owners for funding RE5. thank You so much. If it wasn't for Capcom milking you guys with such a cheap port RE4 and the other zombie games, it probably wouldn't look as good as it does.too_much_eslim

One of the few wii games I actually enjoyed due to the wii controls. I played all 3 version of RE4 btw.

I am disappointed Capcom decided to make a horrible version of Dead Rising for the wii though.

it is indeed sad, but hey people who buy it will be funding my 360/PS3 games. SO I can only thank wii owners.

I want to see your reaction if they decide to make DR2 a wii exclusive. Afterwards I would cry since I love Dear Rising.

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#43 redmetal86
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Why is it that you think that Capcom isn't capable of making rational business decisions. They're the only ones who know whether or not it's practical to port the game to the Wii. If they haven't done so, it's obviously not practical.Teufelhuhn

dead rising on the wii tells me that they have trouble making practical business decisions

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#44 Lemmywinks_360
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ps3/360

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#45 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Why is it that you think that Capcom isn't capable of making rational business decisions. They're the only ones who know whether or not it's practical to port the game to the Wii. If they haven't done so, it's obviously not practical.redmetal86

dead rising on the wii tells me that they have trouble making practical decisions



The game isn't even out yet. We have no clue how much it will sell, and no clue how much it will have cost to make.
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#46 ukillwegrill
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You'd have a point if the Xbox 360's and PS3 didn't have radically different coding architecture. But they do...

Teufelhuhn



It's not about architecture or ease of coding or anything like that, good programmers are plenty good at hiding those details. It's about capabilities. 360 and PS3 are roughly equal in what they can pull off...the Wii is not at all.

This.

It would be cheaper, and take less effort to port the same engine to the PS3, then have to downgrade and port it to the Wii.

But they could just use the R4 engine.

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#47 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] I would like to thank all 1.5 million of you wii owners for funding RE5. thank You so much. If it wasn't for Capcom milking you guys with such a cheap port RE4 and the other zombie games, it probably wouldn't look as good as it does.istreakforfood

One of the few wii games I actually enjoyed due to the wii controls. I played all 3 version of RE4 btw.

I am disappointed Capcom decided to make a horrible version of Dead Rising for the wii though.

it is indeed sad, but hey people who buy it will be funding my 360/PS3 games. SO I can only thank wii owners.

I want to see your reaction if they decide to make DR2 a wii exclusive. Afterwards I would cry since I love Dear Rising.

you already know I would cry. I want DR2 already. I wouldn't even buy it if it ended up being wii exclusive.
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#48 LittleHands134
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Lemmywinks_360

Lol.

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#49 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You'd have a point if the Xbox 360's and PS3 didn't have radically different coding architecture. But they do...

Teufelhuhn



It's not about architecture or ease of coding or anything like that, good programmers are plenty good at hiding those details. It's about capabilities. 360 and PS3 are roughly equal in what they can pull off...the Wii is not at all.

Which is why Dead Rising is on the Wii and 360 and wasn't ported the the PS3?

I agree, but it appears that they have engines already from RE4, and Dead Rising that they could use to build a quick and dirty RE5 port if they wanted to.

I think they will do it. Just because the director of the PS3 and X360 verisons thinks it won't happen, doesn't imply that capcom won't do it anyway later.

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#50 Pro_wrestler
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'Wii could'nt run RE5's title screen....' ...in its current state.

Thats not really being fanboyish, so I don't think its worth getting mad over considering the fact that we already knew that the Wii was lagging in terms of hardware.

To develope and compare a RE5-Wii to the other versions would be more of a slap in the face than some petty 'fanboyish' statements ever will be simply because the Wii can't compete in a game thats about visuals.

It would be smarter to develope a version thats tuned to its strengths rather than its weaknesses by comparions, I think thats why you guys are getting a RE of your own.