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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wall-Street-opens-lower-on-apf-14126679.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- Worse-than-expected economic data and disappointing results at Microsoft Corp. sent Wall Street sharply lower Thursday, extending a new streak of stock volatility into a third day. The Dow Jones industrials fell more than 150 points.

Microsoft surprised investors by reporting its fiscal second-quarter earnings early -- and the news was not good. The software giant posted an 11 percent drop in profits and said it will slash 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months.

The Labor Department said the number of first-time jobless benefit claims jumped to a seasonally adjusted 589,000 in the week ended Jan. 17 from a revised 527,000 the previous week. Economists polled by Thomson Reuters, on average, forecast claims would increase to 540,000.

"Unemployment numbers are bad, and might get a little worse," said Roy Williams, chief executive of Prestige Wealth Management Group. "Everyone is in a defensive mode right now."

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This isn't usually my kind of thing, but I've seen at least a dozen threads on the same exact thing how Sony is having tough times. Wake up haters, everyone is having to revise and re-strategize their business right now. It tough times all they around. Hopefully people keep in mind gaming offers some of the best entertainment for your money spent, so as a gamer myself I hope the gaming industry can come out of this without too much loss.

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#2 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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5000 jobs cut over the next 18 months (most of which will be voluntary) is bad news, but not as bad as some of the predictions we saw on the blogs that were posted here. However, comparing and 11 % drop in profits to posting an actual loss is a big difference. I'd also like to see how the gaming division is performing at thats whats really important for us gamers.
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#3 knight-k
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Microsoft is in the same **** as sony.
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Microsoft is in the same **** as sony.knight-k
M$ stepped in ****, but Sony is drowning in it.
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#5 knight-k
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[QUOTE="knight-k"]Microsoft is in the same **** as sony.-DrRobotnik-
M$ stepped in ****, but Sony is drowning in it.

5000 job cuts,... is just as bad or even worse than what's going on with sony. But one things for sure, this isn't good for the gaming industry.
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#6 DaBrainz
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good bye xbox
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good bye xboxDaBrainz
Yes something that just made a 175m profit in Q2 09:|
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#8 acsguitar
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Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]good bye xboxFirstDiscovery
Yes something that just made a 175m profit in Q2 09:|

Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits acsguitar
.."Microsoft surprised investors by reporting its fiscal second-quarter earnings early -- and the news was not good. The software giant posted an 11 percent drop in profits and said it will slash 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months." You're the ones who can't read
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5000 job cuts,... is just as bad or even worse than what's going on with sony.knight-k

Are you insane? Have you actually looked at the news or are you just spouting fanboi garbage.

How can you possibly call a drop in profits comparable to a loss of billions?

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[QUOTE="knight-k"]5000 job cuts,... is just as bad or even worse than what's going on with sony.gensigns

Are you insane? Have you actually looked at the news or are you just spouting fanboi garbage.

How can you possibly call a drop in profits comparable to a loss of billions?

What does this have to do with fanboy ****. Both companies aren't doing good, am I not right? And 5000 people who'll lose there jobs IS VERY BAD.
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Both Microsoft and Sony are screwed, completly screwed, and they both jumped in it themselves. And what I find funny is how the smallest console Wii is still selling and Nintendo is kicking them both square in the balls, haha! Honestly though both of them acting like idiots, Sony dropped themselves in it way before microsoft but still both going to end up like each other.
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]Yes something that just made a 175m profit in Q2 09:|knight-k
Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits acsguitar
.."Microsoft surprised investors by reporting its fiscal second-quarter earnings early -- and the news was not good. The software giant posted an 11 percent drop in profits and said it will slash 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months." You're the ones who can't read

Um yes I can read and interpret what I'm reading. MS made 4.17 billion. They posted an 11 percent drop in PROFITS. Meaning they still made alot of money. They made 4.71 billion last year.

Understand yet?

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Both Microsoft and Sony are screwed, completly screwed, and they both jumped in it themselves. And what I find funny is how the smallest console Wii is still selling and Nintendo is kicking them both square in the balls, haha! Honestly though both of them acting like idiots, Sony dropped themselves in it way before microsoft but still both going to end up like each other.stike22

Again how is a company that made 4.17 billion screwed?

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Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits acsguitar

Unfortunatly its no that simple. MS is a public company and stock holders don't care about profits, they care about increasing profits. If the bottom line is staying the same or decreasing from year to year its a bad buy plain and simple.

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[QUOTE="acsguitar"]Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits DaBrainz

Unfortunatly its no that simple. MS is a public company and stock holders don't care about profits, they care about increasing profits. If the bottom line is staying the same or decreasing from year to year its a bad buy plain and simple.

Hence the job cuts, despite large profits.
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good bye xboxDaBrainz
Xbox made 175million in profit last quarter. :| Microsoft have made 4.17 BILLION in profits. It's terrible that people are losing their jobs, and i dont think this is a topic for fanboys to argue over on system wars to be honest, but to say Microsoft is in trouble is a bit silly. A company raking in 4.17 BILLION isn't in any trouble, they're just not making as much as usual.
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[QUOTE="acsguitar"]Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits DaBrainz

Unfortunatly its no that simple. MS is a public company and stock holders don't care about profits, they care about increasing profits. If the bottom line is staying the same or decreasing from year to year its a bad buy plain and simple.

its not good news. But to say they are "Screwed" is rediculous. They lost money because of Vista. Windows 7 will prop them back up.

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[QUOTE="knight-k"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"] [QUOTE="acsguitar"]Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits acsguitar

.."Microsoft surprised investors by reporting its fiscal second-quarter earnings early -- and the news was not good. The software giant posted an 11 percent drop in profits and said it will slash 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months." You're the ones who can't read

Um yes I can read and interpret what I'm reading. MS made 4.17 billion. They posted an 11 percent drop in PROFITS. Meaning they still made alot of money. They made 4.71 billion last year.

Understand yet?

5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.
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[QUOTE="acsguitar"]Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits DaBrainz

Unfortunatly its no that simple. MS is a public company and stock holders don't care about profits, they care about increasing profits. If the bottom line is staying the same or decreasing from year to year its a bad buy plain and simple.

Good luck getting your hands on any microsoft stock in the first place. :| That's really not a problem for them. Buying microsoft stock is the definition of a safe bet.
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[QUOTE="stike22"]Both Microsoft and Sony are screwed, completly screwed, and they both jumped in it themselves. And what I find funny is how the smallest console Wii is still selling and Nintendo is kicking them both square in the balls, haha! Honestly though both of them acting like idiots, Sony dropped themselves in it way before microsoft but still both going to end up like each other.

Nintendo have kicked everyone in the balls, -especially- the people who bought their console.
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[QUOTE="knight-k"] 5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.

No, you really couldn't be more wrong. Microsoft have made a massive profit, it's just not as massive as usual. Sony on the other hand, have LOST a massive sum of money. Can you not see how completely different a situation that is? Microsoft have made the decision to cut jobs in an effort to streamline their company in a tough economy, Sony HAVE to cut jobs because they're bleeding over a billion dollars and need to get back in the black as soon as they can or risk the company going under.
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5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.knight-k
Most of those cuts are going to be voluntary. People retiring, or being offered packages, and then not replaced. Plus they are over 18 months, not being axed over night. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about and turning job losses into fanboy propaganda.
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So the gaming industry was never immune from the economical crisis.... Oh well, thats a nasty amount of job losses.
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So the gaming industry was never immune from the economical crisis.... Oh well, thats a nasty amount of job losses.skrat_01

Um circuit city is cutting 32k

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[QUOTE="knight-k"] 5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.blue_hazy_basic
Most of those cuts are going to voluntary. People retiring, or being offered packages, and then not replaces. Plus they are over 18 months, not being axed over night. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about and turning job losses into fanboy propaganda.

Lol really, ubelievable how you lemz turn something bad in something good. The fact is MS is doing bad business just like sony.
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every big company is in the same situation more or less
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"][QUOTE="stike22"]Both Microsoft and Sony are screwed, completly screwed, and they both jumped in it themselves. And what I find funny is how the smallest console Wii is still selling and Nintendo is kicking them both square in the balls, haha! Honestly though both of them acting like idiots, Sony dropped themselves in it way before microsoft but still both going to end up like each other.

Nintendo have kicked everyone in the balls, -especially- the people who bought their console.

LOL, that's the funniest thing I've read, because it's kind of true, I even have one and has less games on it than my 360.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="knight-k"] 5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.knight-k
Most of those cuts are going to voluntary. People retiring, or being offered packages, and then not replaces. Plus they are over 18 months, not being axed over night. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about and turning job losses into fanboy propaganda.

Lol really, ubelievable how you lemz turn something bad in something good. The fact is MS is doing bad business just like sony.

I'm not a lem. I said this was a bad thing (go read 1st reply) and MS is in profit, Sony is not. You are rather sadly trying to turn people's misfortune into something to glorify. I feel sorry for you.
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[QUOTE="knight-k"] 5000 job cuts, 5000 people who maybe won't be able to pay their rent, loans,... understand yet? And you're saying they're doing good because they have a profit?! If so why are they cutting so many jobs? No MS also feels the economical problems of today. Both are in the same ****.Ninja-Hippo
No, you really couldn't be more wrong. Microsoft have made a massive profit, it's just not as massive as usual. Sony on the other hand, have LOST a massive sum of money. Can you not see how completely different a situation that is? Microsoft have made the decision to cut jobs in an effort to streamline their company in a tough economy, Sony HAVE to cut jobs because they're bleeding over a billion dollars and need to get back in the black as soon as they can or risk the company going under.

your trying to spin this. Its not that simple...
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[QUOTE="knight-k"] Lol really, ubelievable how you lemz turn something bad in something good. The fact is MS is doing bad business just like sony.

1) People are not lemming just because they disagree with you 2) You are trying to spin a sad story about people losing their jobs into fanboy ammunition 3) Simply put, you are wrong. MS is not "doing bad business just like sony". I've already explained to you why that simply is not the case, if you're going to ignore that, fine. Making a massive profit which isn't as massive as usual isn't the same thing as LOSING over a billion dollars and having to cut jobs so you dont go under.
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[QUOTE="steelers89"] your trying to spin this. Its not that simple...

In what way has anything been spun? What purpose would that even serve? :| Explain, rather than making generic accusations. Microsoft have made less money than usual and have cut jobs to streamline their business in order to deal with the economic conditions. Sony have been forced to cut jobs because they've LOST a massive sum of money and risk going under if they dont do something radical fairly soon. The spin!
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]Yes something that just made a 175m profit in Q2 09:|knight-k
Do you all not know how to read or research? They made 4.17 Billion in profits acsguitar
.."Microsoft surprised investors by reporting its fiscal second-quarter earnings early -- and the news was not good. The software giant posted an 11 percent drop in profits and said it will slash 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months." You're the ones who can't read

They posted an 11% drop in profits. That doesn't equate to them losing money.
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Look Microsoft and Sony can never lose all their money or be completely screwed but they keep losing things and for companies like them its a kick to their pride. So they are semi screwed, at least in the gaming side of things which is what this entire site is all about.
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every big company is in the same situation more or less Al3x_n90
That's what I think too. I believe this is the first time MS has ever laid off employees, and I believe it's the first time for Sony as well. I guess my point is both are having their own struggles right now and no one is immune not even MS.
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I see we have some really ignorant fanboys in this thread, MS are cutting some jobs because they have a loss in profit but they are still making a profit and seeing how many other big companies have been hurt bad, I think 11% is not bad at all (use some common sense for a second, if other companies go out of business they aren't going to be paying MS money now are they). There is nothing to get excited about here, the evil MS are not going anywhere no matter how much you would like it... I feel bad for the people losing thier jobs but they have a much better option than a lot of people these days at least, and to be honest 5000 for such a huge company is not that high. Maybe this sort of thing should not be on here though until it actually affects the gaming devision? MS aren't even losing money on the xbox this gen so this is irrelevant.
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16000 job cuts > 5000 job cuts, Sorry Sony wins the fail award.
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16000 job cuts > 5000 job cuts, Sorry Sony wins the fail award.Dahaka-UK
Sony has more employees, and most of the cuts are probably going to be seasonal workers and at the manufacturing plants. Of no more comfort to the people losing their jobs but put it perspective.
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Wow!! cows are really living in another world hahah! Ok so sony is LOSING 3 billions USD this year. Microsoft is MAKING 4 billions USD in 3 MONTHS!
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[QUOTE="gensigns"]

[QUOTE="knight-k"]5000 job cuts,... is just as bad or even worse than what's going on with sony.knight-k

Are you insane? Have you actually looked at the news or are you just spouting fanboi garbage.

How can you possibly call a drop in profits comparable to a loss of billions?

What does this have to do with fanboy ****. Both companies aren't doing good, am I not right? And 5000 people who'll lose there jobs IS VERY BAD.

No they are preparing for the future, they are doing well when you think about the conditions, stop trying to twist this to make Sony look better
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Haha! but lets face it, there is no proof that it won't end there if economy continues to go bad even more jobs lost for them both + million other companies as well. Basically poor economy bad for all businesses especially big ones like sony and microsoft who have a hand in all things, more businesses your into more you lose. I am sure you all knew that obvious fact. Nintendo however is just gaming and couple other small thing so they are safe, for now.
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[QUOTE="stike22"]Haha! but lets face it, there is no proof that it won't end there if economy continues to go bad even more jobs lost for them both + million other companies as well. Basically poor economy bad for all businesses especially big ones like sony and microsoft who have a hand in all things, more businesses your into more you lose. I am sure you all knew that obvious fact. Nintendo however is just gaming and couple other small thing so they are safe, for now.

Er no, you do realise MSs primary business is in IT, and IT is a sector that will be least hit
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#46 stike22
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Actually I was talking about Sony, but microsoft pretty much owns the IT world so as a massive company focused on one thing will just experience one big loss, unless they pull something together. Well its not like either company are ever gonna die, if really bad someone else will take over very unlikely and if they pull it together back in profits. Economy is gonna take a long while to fix though, talking years.
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#47 FirstDiscovery
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knight-k has been owned so hard hes no longer replying

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#48 mmirza23
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Credit should be given when something notable has happened with the competitor; "Client revenue declined 8% as a result of PC market weakness and a continued shift to lower priced netbooks. However, strong annuity licensing drove Server & Tools revenue growth of 15%. Entertainment and Devices revenue grew 3% driven by strong holiday demand for Xbox 360 consoles with a record 6 million units sold in the quarter." Revenue was down across the board except in these 2 divisions, the entertainment division had a boost of revenue and in these economic times, I find that amazing and commend the 360 for that. MS profits are down but who's aren't?
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#49 T_0_D
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The bottom line, as they say; is that Sony is suspected to have lost around $1 billion dollars in 2008 and Microsoft made around $4 billion. To me it is not surprising that Microsofts profit is off about 11% seeing as Vista has been a huge turd and with the downturn in the global economy it was inevitable. The same can also be said for Sony. They are in the middle of trying to shift consumers from one technology to another (dvd to blu-ray) and an economic crysis occurs. Both companies will be fine and both will endure.
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#50 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]So the gaming industry was never immune from the economical crisis.... Oh well, thats a nasty amount of job losses.acsguitar

Um circuit city is cutting 32k

I dont live in the US, but I heard the news - that is phenomenal.... however it does not stop 5000 jobs lost from being "nasty"

Hell look at Iceland, unemployment rose 45% in a month