most people act like nintendo is a joke

most people act like nintendo is a joke

Well, they are. :| 

Quite frankly I'm not sold on the Wii at all, it looks like a ds for your livingroom, with all the problems that comes with it. Including LOTS of 3rd party support, but all of them releasing garbage. So expect heavy gamedroughts and little innovation.

There's another thing I have with it, what is this innovation? Have we really seen gameplay not possible before? So far the swinging, flicking, whatever you want to call it, only served to replace traditional controls. Nothing more, nothing less, if there is going to be a game that can show me something that couldn't be done without the wiimote, than I call the system a success. Sales numbers mean little to me, I mostly play on pc and I am not a fanboy of any particular platform.

Sales numbers mean little to me at all actually, or are we all saying 50Cent Bulletproof is one of the best games ever, its salesnumbers seem to indicate so, right?

there seems to be an attitude that the Wii is basically a gimmicky console thats currently little more than a fad. the Wii lacks AAA titles yet it is selling well which can be spun either way- its cheap, its a fad etc etc

it all boils down to the traditional notion that every generation there is a leap in the graphical capabilities of the consoles- since the Wii is distinctively 'last-gen' in the graphics department then it is hard for many fanboys to accept the Wii as competition to the the PS3 & X360... the large number of mini-games & games targeted at younger audiences & its popularity with children & non-gamers merely reinforce the image that the Wii is not comparable to the PS3 & X360.

well is it a joke?

there seems to be an attitude that the Wii is basically a gimmicky console thats currently little more than a fad. the Wii lacks AAA titles yet it is selling well which can be spun either way- its cheap, its a fad etc etc

it all boils down to the traditional notion that every generation there is a leap in the graphical capabilities of the consoles- since the Wii is distinctively 'last-gen' in the graphics department then it is hard for many fanboys to accept the Wii as competition to the the PS3 & X360... the large number of mini-games & games targeted at younger audiences & its popularity with children & non-gamers merely reinforce the image that the Wii is not comparable to the PS3 & X360.

CwlHeddwyn

 Great post! I think he explained the reason perfectly TC.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]N is a joke. This "theart" of theirs is just blatant gimmick marketing that is short lived.kingsy_the_one

Care to rebuttle? If not, then N gave you nothing to back you up.

Weak 

most fanboys tend to not even think that nintendo is a theart to them . i remember just after 360 and ps3 info came out those companys did not even think about what nintendo will do . even when you talk in system wars  its always about ps3/360 but if your bring up wii there just like wii is a gimick and wont be good . nintendo is on top of both hand held and console sales and they still act like wii is not doing good . all u hear from wii haters is "bu bu teh graphics" they act like a game cant be good on wii cus it dont look as good as it does on 360 or ps3.iamanoobkillme

Sorry TC, but people don't see the Wii as a competition to the X360 and the PS3, because it is not. They have completely different USP's

Both X360 and PS3 are HD. Both rely heavy on graphic and that makes them appealing more to hard-core gamers. Also the price is a little steep for a normal console gamer.

The Wii on the other hand want's to bring new people to gaming. The changed controls appeal to young and old. It has older hardware, and therefore its price lies in the lower segment.

So no. The Wii isn't competing with the 360 and the PS3. The only competitor Wii has, is the PS2.

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

N is a joke. This "theart" of theirs is just blatant gimmick marketing that is short lived.NobuoMusicMaker

looking at the sales seems to point to the lose of momentum coming from the 360 and ps3. not the wii. 

 Nothing more, nothing less, if there is going to be a game that can show me something that couldn't be done without the wiimote, than I call the system a success.

2FacedJanus

[QUOTE="2FacedJanus"]

Nothing more, nothing less, if there is going to be a game that can show me something that couldn't be done without the wiimote, than I call the system a success.

t2wave

Uh yes it can.  2 analog sticks can cover XYZ and rotations. 

i think the biggest joke about nintendo is

1)they still arent online! they should have had online at launch, its just getting rediculous now.

2)they didnt have alot of money because of the gamecube not doing so good, so for this generation they slim the gamecube, add what basically could be an addon control wise, then sell it to us for 250$ which in my opinion is overpriced.

3)they market the game as playing it with others, but then ship only one controler with the console and sell the controlers for 60$ a piece. while this might make them money is completely backward and stupid to what they are selling there system as.

4)they still dont have alot of great games and it seems like its the same 3rd party crap support they got during the gamecube era.

i think the controls have potential but so far it seems gimmickey. also it not revolutionary, its a re tooled guncon. and the ds isnt revoltionary either they took the old game and watch hand helds and made gameplay the same as what pda's have been doing for years.

Nintendo is dominating both home and mobile gaming.

If that makes them a joke what does it make the companies they're beating?

Food for thought lol 

Nintendo is dominating both home and mobile gaming.

If that makes them a joke what does it make the companies they're beating?

Food for thought lol 

Jaysonguy

Nintendo is still a joke. I don't care if it sells 200 billion copies to everyone on planet Myxlpxl, it's last-gen tech at last-gen prices. It might as well be compared to the PS2.

It's not just looks, it's physics, scale, online... there are plenty of reasons I feel that the Wii is inferior. The biggest reason is because the games are just not aimed at me. I don't want to play three versions of Pokemon. I don't even want to play one. I don't want to play Super Mario Milkman or Yoshi's Car Salesman. They don't have a single game out that appeals to me, not even enough to warrant a $250 purchase. That's why they're a joke. 7 million in sales with only Zelda (a tired franchise if you ask me) that's worthy of a play-through. It just goes to show that people will buy anything if its popular enough.  

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

VideoGameGuy

3rd ... Wii will be second, always.

And to back up the 360 and PS3, Wii is already in a drought, at the beggining of this year, alot of the guys in college were going nutz over the Wii.... now? Hahahaha PS3/360 and PC for gaming, its barely freaking mentioned.

It pushed nothing but controls foward, the games are overall bad, they give GAMING that same "Is for kids" not "Can become as big as books and movies".

Waste of space, do you think anybody cares how well it sells? Tamagotchi's and Yoyo's sold like Hotcakes, now theyre dead. yes im blatantly comparing it. 

Quite frankly I'm not sold on the Wii at all, it looks like a ds for your livingroom, with all the problems that comes with it. Including LOTS of 3rd party support, but all of them releasing garbage. So expect heavy gamedroughts and little innovation.

There's another thing I have with it, what is this innovation? Have we really seen gameplay not possible before? So far the swinging, flicking, whatever you want to call it, only served to replace traditional controls. Nothing more, nothing less, if there is going to be a game that can show me something that couldn't be done without the wiimote, than I call the system a success. Sales numbers mean little to me, I mostly play on pc and I am not a fanboy of any particular platform.

Sales numbers mean little to me at all actually, or are we all saying 50Cent Bulletproof is one of the best games ever, its salesnumbers seem to indicate so, right?

2FacedJanus

1. I thought everyone already knew that 3rd party were caught off guard by the wii's success. it takes time to create great games. just look at the ps3. its major games have been in development years longer than the wii's upcoming games and they aren't out yet either.

2. Possible and better or more intuitive isn't the same thing. it's possible to play DDR type games on a keyboard. would you want to? is that better? more intuitive? how about guitar hero on a gamepad? would that have been a hit? what about golf with the wii vs analog? how about pointing to shoot vs analog sticks?  I think i've made my point.

3. Sales numbers means little to you directly, yes. How ever if you want to see support for your gaming system you better hope sales numbers in general are good. the best the sales the more support the system gets. 

most people act like nintendo is a jokedarkmistx

Well, they are. :|

only the insecure boys. the rest just have fun playing good and innovative games on wii and Ds. 

there seems to be an attitude that the Wii is basically a gimmicky console thats currently little more than a fad. the Wii lacks AAA titles yet it is selling well which can be spun either way- its cheap, its a fad etc etc

it all boils down to the traditional notion that every generation there is a leap in the graphical capabilities of the consoles- since the Wii is distinctively 'last-gen' in the graphics department then it is hard for many fanboys to accept the Wii as competition to the the PS3 & X360... the large number of mini-games & games targeted at younger audiences & its popularity with children & non-gamers merely reinforce the image that the Wii is not comparable to the PS3 & X360.

CwlHeddwyn

That pretty much sums it up really. I certainly wasn't expecting this level of thought on this particular topic.

Nintendo is dominating both home and mobile gaming.

If that makes them a joke what does it make the companies they're beating?

Food for thought lol

Jaysonguy

Dominating sales. Quantity does not mean quality.

Unlike what fanboys and nintendo think, the Wii paradign does not appeal to everyone. If Sony and Microsoft were to drop their current strategy and follow Nintendo with the 'cute and casual' approach to hit the mass market after the big bucks i'd drop console gaming althogether.

Don't get me wrong Wii has some games that interest me and about 3 that really interest me, but those are an insignificant percentage of the games avaliable and I expect such games to become even more rare as developers realize they don't need to put much effort in games as wii users will buy just about anything 'cute and casual'.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

Meu2k7

3rd ... Wii will be second, always.

And to back up the 360 and PS3, Wii is already in a drought, at the beggining of this year, alot of the guys in college were going nutz over the Wii.... now? Hahahaha PS3/360 and PC for gaming, its barely freaking mentioned.

It pushed nothing but controls foward, the games are overall bad, they give GAMING that same "Is for kids" not "Can become as big as books and movies".

Waste of space, do you think anybody cares how well it sells? Tamagotchi's and Yoyo's sold like Hotcakes, now theyre dead. yes im blatantly comparing it. 

Yup, it's all about PS3vs360 now.

No joke I think one of the biggest reasons for the Wii's success is South Park episode. Seriously. The Wii would not have looked so desireable to the 15 - 25 age group had it not been for SP praising the Wii. organic_machine

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Nintendo is dominating both home and mobile gaming.

If that makes them a joke what does it make the companies they're beating?

Food for thought lol

lordxymor

Dominating sales. Quantity does not mean quality.

Unlike what fanboys and nintendo think, the Wii paradign does not appeal to everyone. If Sony and Microsoft were to drop their current strategy and follow Nintendo with the 'cute and casual' approach to hit the mass market after the big bucks i'd drop console gaming althogether.

Don't get me wrong Wii has some games that interest me and about 3 that really interest me, but those are an insignificant percentage of the games avaliable and I expect such games to become even more rare as developers realize they don't need to put much effort in games as wii users will buy just about anything 'cute and casual'.

No really, sales DO matter.

That's how all of this is judged. At the end of the day who gets their product to the largest number of people and sells the most to them is the best. We're not going to play the "well this is so artistic so it can't be judged game" Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are all companies, not artists.

Sony and Microsoft are all about fighting over a number of consumers the size of a puddle while Nintendo is fishing in a lake. Gaming has more competition then ever before and you need to find new places of revenue to make up for the people that go off to do other things. Nintendo has done that in spades so far.

The other point is this. We all know that software goes to the hot hand and that's the Wii, so while the initial offerings may not be wanted by some there's a very good chance that that's going to change. Nintendo lost 2nd place last gen to the XBOX but only a few million consoles, Nintendo was powered by it's own first party titles. Nintendo can still produce the same kinds of titles but now it's gaining third party support that will rival it's own. 

Some people don't like what Nintendo is doing and that's fine but what you're finding more and more is that if you don't evolve in gaming you'll die off.

i think the biggest joke about nintendo is

1)they still arent online! they should have had online at launch, its just getting rediculous now.

2)they didnt have alot of money because of the gamecube not doing so good, so for this generation they slim the gamecube, add what basically could be an addon control wise, then sell it to us for 250$ which in my opinion is overpriced.

3)they market the game as playing it with others, but then ship only one controler with the console and sell the controlers for 60$ a piece. while this might make them money is completely backward and stupid to what they are selling there system as.

4)they still dont have alot of great games and it seems like its the same 3rd party crap support they got during the gamecube era.

i think the controls have potential but so far it seems gimmickey. also it not revolutionary, its a re tooled guncon. and the ds isnt revoltionary either they took the old game and watch hand helds and made gameplay the same as what pda's have been doing for years.

njo

I agree and disagree with some of your points.

1. I agree. they really need to get online games. it's taken longer than they should.

2. I disagree. the wii is sold out and the fastest selling. thus the market has shown that $250 is not overpriced. the wii is and upgraded gc architecture as well as miniaturized. all that costs money too as well as the development of the control scheme. i wasn't just a last minutes component that got slapped in a gc controller.  to say it's just a gc with a remote is a vast over simplification.

3.  this is silly now. they include a game out of the box. the ps3 markets HD graphics but it doesn't come with the HD cables. 360 markets online play but you have to pay that separate.

4. everyone knows it's because 3rd party thought it would be just like the GC. they were wrong and now announce new titles every other day. of  course the best games take longer to make. all you need to do is look at the ps3 to see that. their major games have had years more development time and are still not out. i'm sure that well see much better support for the wii now that devs are taking it seriously. 

Quite frankly I'm not sold on the Wii at all, it looks like a ds for your livingroom, with all the problems that comes with it. Including LOTS of 3rd party support, but all of them releasing garbage. So expect heavy gamedroughts and little innovation.

There's another thing I have with it, what is this innovation? Have we really seen gameplay not possible before? So far the swinging, flicking, whatever you want to call it, only served to replace traditional controls. Nothing more, nothing less, if there is going to be a game that can show me something that couldn't be done without the wiimote, than I call the system a success. Sales numbers mean little to me, I mostly play on pc and I am not a fanboy of any particular platform.

Sales numbers mean little to me at all actually, or are we all saying 50Cent Bulletproof is one of the best games ever, its salesnumbers seem to indicate so, right?

2FacedJanus

You couldn't have a good time playing Wii Sports without the Wii Remote.  But I see what you are saying.  Noone has really showed what the Wiimote can do unfortunatly.  I think it's capable of a lot, but devs don't wanna put the time into it.  Nintendo has done a pretty good job with the controls so far I think(except for Zelda).  But a lot of the Wii games that are out now just wouldn't be fun if they didn't have the controls, so I think they are inovating somehow by doing this.

i think the biggest joke about nintendo is

1)they still arent online! they should have had online at launch, its just getting rediculous now.

2)they didnt have alot of money because of the gamecube not doing so good, so for this generation they slim the gamecube, add what basically could be an addon control wise, then sell it to us for 250$ which in my opinion is overpriced.

3)they market the game as playing it with others, but then ship only one controler with the console and sell the controlers for 60$ a piece. while this might make them money is completely backward and stupid to what they are selling there system as.

4)they still dont have alot of great games and it seems like its the same 3rd party crap support they got during the gamecube era.

i think the controls have potential but so far it seems gimmickey. also it not revolutionary, its a re tooled guncon. and the ds isnt revoltionary either they took the old game and watch hand helds and made gameplay the same as what pda's have been doing for years.

njo

Nintendo Wii may be a gimmick, but it's kicking everyone else's ass.  And a gimmick isn't always a bad thing.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

VideoGameGuy

3rd ... Wii will be second, always.

And to back up the 360 and PS3, Wii is already in a drought, at the beggining of this year, alot of the guys in college were going nutz over the Wii.... now? Hahahaha PS3/360 and PC for gaming, its barely freaking mentioned.

It pushed nothing but controls foward, the games are overall bad, they give GAMING that same "Is for kids" not "Can become as big as books and movies".

Waste of space, do you think anybody cares how well it sells? Tamagotchi's and Yoyo's sold like Hotcakes, now theyre dead. yes im blatantly comparing it.

Developers will NEVER EVER stop pushing more realistic / online gaming i nthe form of the PC or PS/Xbox, how many minigames can u make before it gets boring? When we are approaching games with 20/30 Million Budget movie like games with great features and story telling *** Casino Royale as example was only 60 Million budget *** What happens if games start reaching that budget?

Minigames wont, bad rushed 3rd party games wont, a controller thats impractical wont. 

I find it funny that all the Wii haters are losing developers to their consoles faster then a speeding bullet. The Wii is gaining 3rd party support extremely quickly and its not going to be long before the 360 and PS3 start getting less games.DSgamer64

Developers will NEVER EVER stop pushing more realistic / online gaming i nthe form of the PC or PS/Xbox, how many minigames can u make before it gets boring? When we are approaching games with 20/30 Million Budget movie like games with great features and story telling *** Casino Royale as example was only 60 Million budget *** What happens if games start reaching that budget?

Minigames wont, bad rushed 3rd party games wont, a controller thats impractical wont.

Meu2k7

Your argument is flawed

Devs care about money. They can make 5 Wii games for the price of 1 or 2 360/PC/PS3 games.

Devs want the bigger return, you'll see more and more go towards the platform that's cheaper to code for. 

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Developers will NEVER EVER stop pushing more realistic / online gaming i nthe form of the PC or PS/Xbox, how many minigames can u make before it gets boring? When we are approaching games with 20/30 Million Budget movie like games with great features and story telling *** Casino Royale as example was only 60 Million budget *** What happens if games start reaching that budget?

Minigames wont, bad rushed 3rd party games wont, a controller thats impractical wont.

Jaysonguy

Your argument is flawed

Devs care about money. They can make 5 Wii games for the price of 1 or 2 360/PC/PS3 games.

Devs want the bigger return, you'll see more and more go towards the platform that's cheaper to code for.

So you think High Budget games will disapear because of the Wii? When the PS2 had loads of high budget games and is the clear winner in any gaming generation?

Flawed... maybe, so is the idea that developers will just hop over to the Wii. Its won nothing yet.

Its a cheap console, the cheapest by quite a decent ammount, that effects sales, the X360 and PS3, considering the huge price differences , have basically gone the ahrd route and still sold alot, the Wii selling is heavily to do with the price along with the casual nature, you'd have to be kidding me if you thought it was purely from "What people want" point of view ... it is ... in price terms, the rest has been done before. 

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

Meu2k7

3rd ... Wii will be second, always.

And to back up the 360 and PS3, Wii is already in a drought, at the beggining of this year, alot of the guys in college were going nutz over the Wii.... now? Hahahaha PS3/360 and PC for gaming, its barely freaking mentioned.

It pushed nothing but controls foward, the games are overall bad, they give GAMING that same "Is for kids" not "Can become as big as books and movies".

Waste of space, do you think anybody cares how well it sells? Tamagotchi's and Yoyo's sold like Hotcakes, now theyre dead. yes im blatantly comparing it.

Developers will NEVER EVER stop pushing more realistic / online gaming i nthe form of the PC or PS/Xbox, how many minigames can u make before it gets boring? When we are approaching games with 20/30 Million Budget movie like games with great features and story telling *** Casino Royale as example was only 60 Million budget *** What happens if games start reaching that budget?

Minigames wont, bad rushed 3rd party games wont, a controller thats impractical wont. 

nintendo is on top of both hand held and console sales and they still act like wii is not doing good. iamanoobkillme

Toyota(Wii) sells more cars in a year than Ferrari(PS3,360,Next Gen PC), but you won't question which one is better

So you think High Budget games will disapear because of the Wii? When the PS2 had loads of high budget games and is the clear winner in any gaming generation?

Flawed... maybe, so is the idea that developers will just hop over to the Wii. Its won nothing yet.

Its a cheap console, the cheapest by quite a decent ammount, that effects sales, the X360 and PS3, considering the huge price differences , have basically gone the ahrd route and still sold alot, the Wii selling is heavily to do with the price along with the casual nature, you'd have to be kidding me if you thought it was purely from "What people want" point of view ... it is ... in price terms, the rest has been done before.

Meu2k7

I don't think it'll stop but I do see a reduction in it because just like I said before people get their entertainment from many different outlets these days. It doesn't pay to spend so much for a game when you're not going to reach enough of an audience with it 

 I dont know  about you, but I still see alot of great movies that dont envolve the genres you jsut mentioned, although I agree with you, the X360/PS3/PC gaming will never diminish, just because the Wii has come, you dont even know if the Wii will win, its selling fast now so what?

Its 1 System with different Ethics to 3 other systems, which obviously outsell 3:1 ratio, it just wont work that way.

People who play games often wont be satisfied with only 1/2/3 great quality games a year.

Dont get me wrong ... I had a SNES/N64/Gamecube , and I've always liked Ninty's games, but this time.... theyre out-selling with cheap goods, that is it. 

Nintendo IS a joke. The last time they were actually a competitor was with N64

They are a joke. Kid system.

i think the biggest joke about nintendo is

1)they still arent online! they should have had online at launch, its just getting rediculous now.

2)they didnt have alot of money because of the gamecube not doing so good, so for this generation they slim the gamecube, add what basically could be an addon control wise, then sell it to us for 250$ which in my opinion is overpriced.

3)they market the game as playing it with others, but then ship only one controler with the console and sell the controlers for 60$ a piece. while this might make them money is completely backward and stupid to what they are selling there system as.

4)they still dont have alot of great games and it seems like its the same 3rd party crap support they got during the gamecube era.

i think the controls have potential but so far it seems gimmickey. also it not revolutionary, its a re tooled guncon. and the ds isnt revoltionary either they took the old game and watch hand helds and made gameplay the same as what pda's have been doing for years.

njo

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Well, at least you got one thing right. 20% is okay, I guess.

Nintendo IS a joke. The last time they were actually a competitor was with N64

 

They are a joke. Kid system.

springz300

Newsflash they're beating everyone this round lol

Console AND handheld

There's a news area on this site you know, it's pretty easy to find 

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]

I think paying $600 for a console is a joke.SNAP!

Anyway...Let MS and Sony duke it out for a distant second..meh...

Rahnyc4

3rd ... Wii will be second, always.

And to back up the 360 and PS3, Wii is already in a drought, at the beggining of this year, alot of the guys in college were going nutz over the Wii.... now? Hahahaha PS3/360 and PC for gaming, its barely freaking mentioned.

It pushed nothing but controls foward, the games are overall bad, they give GAMING that same "Is for kids" not "Can become as big as books and movies".

Waste of space, do you think anybody cares how well it sells? Tamagotchi's and Yoyo's sold like Hotcakes, now theyre dead. yes im blatantly comparing it.

Developers will NEVER EVER stop pushing more realistic / online gaming i nthe form of the PC or PS/Xbox, how many minigames can u make before it gets boring? When we are approaching games with 20/30 Million Budget movie like games with great features and story telling *** Casino Royale as example was only 60 Million budget *** What happens if games start reaching that budget?

Minigames wont, bad rushed 3rd party games wont, a controller thats impractical wont.

Exactly. I find it refreshing. Personally, I was getting sick of shooter, shooter, action game, blood, gore, shooter, shooter, blood, shooter. Don't get me wrong, I like shooters now and then, but honestly, this business is getting a little ridiculous. Just like super hero films.