More proof consoles are ruining pc experiences...

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23904897#itemanchor_23904897

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard".

It's not 1996 anymore."

We need MORE proof?

Consoles are 6 year old PCs with terrible controls, I think the point has been proven. Anything more is just rubbing it in the console gamers faces, which isn't cool.

I hate consoles, but only because of the negative effect they have on gaming. I loved consoles as a kid though, so I see their place.

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23904897#itemanchor_23904897

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard".

It's not 1996 anymore."

SAGE_OF_FIRE

What are you trying to say with that link? All I saw was the reviewer grumbling about how he can only carry two weapons with him unlike say, Doom3 or HL2 where you can carry an arsenal.

Lulz, you gonna get hated on Sage.

OT though, that's kinda sucky.

Hermits need to take a chill pill. Seriously, they've been on a rampage lately.

Hermits need to take a chill pill. Seriously, they've been on a rampage lately.

tonitorsi

So have the anti-PC threads. That's likely the instigator.

Lol, us console people could care less.

bennie12

Consoles have done this for years.

its as obvious as it can be. PC gaming is still a good thing, just not on the level sales wise and support wise as consoles.

Actually it's developer adopting an attitude that they have to make the same game between the PC and the consoles and electing to take the easy way out and not account for the PC's UI flexibility that is ruining PC experiences. Put the blame where it belongs.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23904897#itemanchor_23904897

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard".

It's not 1996 anymore."

jun_aka_pekto

What are you trying to say with that link? All I saw was the reviewer grumbling about how he can only carry two weapons with him unlike say, Doom3 or HL2 where you can carry an arsenal.

Yep, the previewer being Brian Leahy the biggest PC fanboy gaming journalist, if don't belive me listen to a couple episodes of weekend confirmed.

Not being able to carry more than two weapons at a time isn't a problem created by consoles, it's a design choice made by the developers.

Actually it's developer adopting an attitude that they have to make the same game between the PC and the consoles and electing to take the easy way out and not account for the PC's UI flexibility that is ruining PC experiences. Put the blame where it belongs.

heretrix

Completely agree. Consolization is a term I hate here.

It oft comes down to time/budgetary constraints placed on devs by large publishers, or by themselves.

Developers have done this for years.

mitu123

Fix'd.

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

Hermits need to take a chill pill. Seriously, they've been on a rampage lately.

lundy86_4

So have the anti-PC threads. That's likely the instigator.

In the first Crysis you can only carry 2 weapons at once, i guess thats because of consoles...oh wait, it wasn't on consoles.

[QUOTE="Chrome-"] Hermits are the ones that start all this they need to justify and feel better about their $10,000 PC so they come up will all this random crap about how PC > consoles at everything. lundy86_4

How do Hermits start it, if it's in retaliation to anti-PC threads? There have been tons over the past week or so, and i've posted in quite a few of them.

Also, what's with the $10,000 PC? Hyperbole is a perfectly useful tool within the English language, but I have a feeling yours is born from ignorance.

its as obvious as it can be. PC gaming is still a good thing, just not on the level sales wise and support wise as consoles.

ProjectNatalFan

Then please explain how PC's get much more dev support if they are "not on the level sales wise and support wise".

they dont get much more support, they get overflooded with two genres RTS and MMO and everything else is console based, FPS, you tell me how many exclusives for the PC, Sports games? They are lucky to have NBA 2k11 otherwise they wouldnt have much, Fighting games? again maybe street fighter but other than that fighting games are more apt to come out on consoles. Racing games? Whats the last exclusive racing game?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

Hermits need to take a chill pill. Seriously, they've been on a rampage lately.

Sandvichman

So have the anti-PC threads. That's likely the instigator.

Yup, i'm well aware. There are Hermit's who posts these, just like there are Cows who claim PS3 games have superior graphics to PC games.

My point was, our current influx of Hermits is likely due to the anti-PC binge we just had.

PC gamers really need to get off the high horse. This industry wouldn't even be alive without consoles.

http://www.industrygamers.com/galleries/opinion-who-killed-pc-gaming/

something for pc gamers to chew on, they are not even close. This was also from a great source, not PCGA lol....

PC gamers really need to get off the high horse. This industry wouldn't even be alive without consoles.

felipebo

so true.

they dont get much more support, they get overflooded with two genres RTS and MMO and everything else is console based, FPS, you tell me how many exclusives for the PC, Sports games? They are lucky to have NBA 2k11 otherwise they wouldnt have much, Fighting games? again maybe street fighter but other than that fighting games are more apt to come out on consoles. Racing games? Whats the last exclusive racing game?

ProjectNatalFan

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

they dont get much more support, they get overflooded with two genres RTS and MMO and everything else is console based, FPS, you tell me how many exclusives for the PC, Sports games? They are lucky to have NBA 2k11 otherwise they wouldnt have much, Fighting games? again maybe street fighter but other than that fighting games are more apt to come out on consoles. Racing games? Whats the last exclusive racing game?

lundy86_4

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

I'm not sure why they couldn't just be added for the PC version and left off for the console version. Console owners would complain but they would have legitimate reasoning for it. This "if it can't be done on consoles, it won't be done" is a very poor mentality. Dirt 2, Batman and such did well on PC because they went that little extra mile for pc gamers, people appreciate that.

I'm not sure why they couldn't just be added for the PC version and left off for the console version. Console owners would complain but they would have legitimate reasoning for it. This "if it can't be done on consoles, it would be done" is a very poor mentality. Dirt 2, Batman and such did well on PC because they went that little extra mile for pc gamers, people appreciate that.

Espada12

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

they dont get much more support, they get overflooded with two genres RTS and MMO and everything else is console based, FPS, you tell me how many exclusives for the PC, Sports games? They are lucky to have NBA 2k11 otherwise they wouldnt have much, Fighting games? again maybe street fighter but other than that fighting games are more apt to come out on consoles. Racing games? Whats the last exclusive racing game?

ProjectNatalFan

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

In the first Crysis you can only carry 2 weapons at once, i guess thats because of consoles...oh wait, it wasn't on consoles.

JONO51

huh? you can carry dual pistols+ 2 assault rifles/shotguns + missile launcher + granades at the same time.

It's easy to know the people who haven't played it.

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

In the first Crysis you can only carry 2 weapons at once, i guess thats because of consoles...oh wait, it wasn't on consoles.

Espada12

huh? you can carry dual pistols+ 2 assault rifles/shotguns + missile launcher + granades at the same time.

It's easy to know the people who haven't played it.

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

In the first Crysis you can only carry 2 weapons at once, i guess thats because of consoles...oh wait, it wasn't on consoles.

Espada12

huh? you can carry dual pistols+ 2 assault rifles/shotguns + missile launcher + granades at the same time.

It's easy to know the people who haven't played it.

Ive played it, 2 main weapons its not like HL2 or Bioshock where you can carry like 10. Its a stupid argument to say consoles are responsible for not carrying many weapons, games have been doing that for years and its not consoles fault.

This constant bashing of consoles is as bad as people bashing the PC. Good games are good games regardless of platform.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

chaplainDMK

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

http://www.industrygamers.com/galleries/opinion-who-killed-pc-gaming/

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/49818-epic-blames-piracy-for-the-decline-of-pc-gaming

http://www.techspot.com/news/37632-retail-pc-games-sales-decline-23-percent-in-2009.html

sorry pigs dont fly, want more?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

they dont get much more support, they get overflooded with two genres RTS and MMO and everything else is console based, FPS, you tell me how many exclusives for the PC, Sports games? They are lucky to have NBA 2k11 otherwise they wouldnt have much, Fighting games? again maybe street fighter but other than that fighting games are more apt to come out on consoles. Racing games? Whats the last exclusive racing game?

ProjectNatalFan

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6253286.html

Even if his statement is wrong his point still stands. Two weapons isn't a limitation, it's a design choice. deangallop

Cycling through weapons on a controller is probably the main reason for the two weapon limit.

My point was, our current influx of Hermits is likely due to the anti-PC binge we just had. lundy86_4

Nah I'm pretty sure it's because of a certain game that floped very hard.

PC gamers really need to get off the high horse. This industry wouldn't even be alive without consoles.

felipebo

You don't need dev kits to make games on a PC.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Don't get much more support? They have more exclusives than all consoles combined, and are often supported by devs for years.

All systems have genre superiority, where they have more of one genre than others. PC also has Sims, Strategy (whole sub-genres as well), MMO, RPG, FPS etc. Saying a system only gets a certain array of genres doesn't mean anything, as consoles rarely get MMO's, RTS', Sims, Adventure games etc. It's the market which defines it, not the systems or dev support.

I'm not sure of the last racing exclusive.

thespywholied

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6253286.html

pcga is as reputable as vgchartz

http://www.techspot.com/news/37632-retail-pc-games-sales-decline-23-percent-in-2009.html

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Even if his statement is wrong his point still stands. Two weapons isn't a limitation, it's a design choice. Espada12

Cycling through weapons on a controller is probably the main reason for the two weapon limit.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]My point was, our current influx of Hermits is likely due to the anti-PC binge we just had. Chrome-

Nah I'm pretty sure it's because of a certain game that floped very hard.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Even if his statement is wrong his point still stands. Two weapons isn't a limitation, it's a design choice. Espada12

Cycling through weapons on a controller is probably the main reason for the two weapon limit.

Or maybe because the game has a realistic tone to it carrying only 2 weapons makes more sense than carrying 10. The platform has nothing to do with it.

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

ProjectNatalFan

Please discredit.

Gaming PCs outsell all consoles combined twice over

The PC Gaming Alliance has announced some of the results of a giant research project which claims that more gaming-capable PCs were sold in 2009 than all consoles on the market (not including handhelds).

Indeed, PCs outsold home consoles at a ratio larger than 2-to-1 last year, with revenues totaling $54.6 billion. That brings their total number to 212.6 million worldwide. PCGA expects those numbers to reach $61.3 billion and 322 million in the next 5 years. For comparison's sake, there are currently 73 million Wiis, 41.7 million Xbox 360s, and 36.3 million PlayStation 3s out there.

What is a gaming-capable PC? According to them, they're the ones with a discrete graphics card, i.e. not netbooks or others with integrated GPUs. Here's most of the press release:

SAN RAMON, Calif. – August 2, 2010 – The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a nonprofit corporation dedicated to driving the worldwide growth of PC gaming, today unveiled its Horizons Hardware research report, an exclusive research study encompassing major aspects of the PC gaming hardware industry worldwide.

Among the key findings: Annual shipment volumes for the PC Gaming hardware market in 2009 were over two times larger than the combined Wii™, PlayStation® 2, PlayStation® 3 and Xbox 360® console units shipped in the same period. This trend for the PC Gaming hardware market to outpace all console shipments combined is expected to continue through the forecasted period of the research. In addition, revenues from consumer PCs capable of gaming that shipped with a discrete GPU (excludes Netbooks and integrated graphics-based PCs) totaled approximately $54.6 billion in 2009 and are forecasted to grow to $61.3 billion by 2014. These revenue figures are based on an estimated 61.5 million PCs (Desktop and Laptops) shipped in 2009 that can largely be associated with PC gaming as a key usage scenario.

The report also estimates the worldwide number of consumers gaming with discrete graphics solutions on their PCs (Desktop and Notebooks) to be 212.6 million for 2009 and expects this to grow to about 322 million by 2014. The report also includes detailed breakouts of various PC configurations (e.g. Basic, Mass Market, etc), by form factor and by geographic territory.

The Asia Pacific region continues to be the world's largest hardware gaming market with approximately 33% market share followed by Western Europe and the United States at 24% and 22% respectively. The rest of the world follows with 21.5%. Growth is expected to continue through 2014, largely driven by the Asia Pacific region.

"One of the biggest trends I'm seeing in the 2009 Horizon's hardware report indicates a strong demand for more capable mobile based systems by PC Gamers." said Matt Ployhar PCGA Research Committee Chairman. "PC Gamers are playing a central role in fueling healthier margins, and driving innovation in this space worldwide".

"PC gaming is the highest profile and most mature example of a new era of computing systems based on usage," said Richard Shim, research manager at IDC covering PCs. "These new usage-based systems are hardware configurations optimized for an improved user experience. Consumers are often willing to pay more for such an experience. In the case of gaming PCs, up to 25% more as compared to a mainstream system."

Microsoft to keep staggering PC and Xbox 360 releases

Microsoft Game Studios has said it will keep staggering PC and Xbox 360 releases so that desktop users have a reason to keep buying console titles.

Which is not to say the PC masterplan is any less important, argued MGS Europe business boss Peter Zetterberg - but given the platform choice in somewhere like Germany, then Xbox 360 sales would fall by the roadside.

"I would say that 90 per cent of the games that are pitched to us are on console. We're strongly perceived as a console publisher because we're the first-party publisher even though the Windows operating system is equally important to us," Zetterberg told GamesIndustry.biz.

"But in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version - because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he added.

Zetterberg also hinted that the future lies not just in projects with huge budgets, but in titles based around a free-to-play or browser-based model.

"We need to not only do the big budget, big production value, global titles like Gears of War, but we also need to go with titles like World of Goo or Crayon Physics. Those are games that are made with an almost anarchistic approach to a business model," said Zetterberg.

Devious742

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

ProjectNatalFan

Please discredit the points under Devious' PC Facts as it won't allow me to link.

If you can't, like you couldn't in the "Gaming from your couch" thread, then just don't bother.

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

PC gamers really need to get off the high horse. This industry wouldn't even be alive without consoles.

heretrix

You don't need dev kits to make games on a PC.

'' Lololol PC gamers going on crusadez on SW rofl!!''

I wonder why. :roll:

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

in your world you think the pC is doing good, in the real world, its a distant 4th compared to wii,360, and ps3.

ProjectNatalFan

http://www.industrygamers.com/galleries/opinion-who-killed-pc-gaming/

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/49818-epic-blames-piracy-for-the-decline-of-pc-gaming

http://www.techspot.com/news/37632-retail-pc-games-sales-decline-23-percent-in-2009.html

sorry pigs dont fly, want more?

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

PC gamers really need to get off the high horse. This industry wouldn't even be alive without consoles.

heretrix

You don't need dev kits to make games on a PC.

Do you think gaming would have the level of quality it has today if Nintendo never released the NES?