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#1 project343
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 Before posting fanboyish remarks, read the entire post rather then screaming 'TEH DOWNGRADE'.

 

Okay, for those who haven't seen the new screenshots:

 

Yes, it looks repulsive, here's the official response to the negative feedback:

 

 

[QUOTE="Mass Affect"]
How come EVERY game that looks good always get dumbed down? That conversation shot with the alien looks nothing like the Mass Effect we know. The textures are horribly dumbed down. I knew it was too good to be true.Bioware

 

I know this is how you feel, but boy this sort of comment just burns my onion.

The game, graphics, sound, whatever has not been "dumbed down". You don't know Mass Effect yet because it isn't done yet. The screenshots you see are actual, in game footage screenshots. This means that if the build that they were taken in doesn't have optimization (which very little does atm) or correct texture renders (same thing) then things don't look great yet. Certainly not how they will look by the time the game is shipped.

Either we can release no new images and screenshots (which you all clamor for and want more of), or we can release them like this and we get "Wow, you guys really dumbed down the game". Maybe instead of making up your mind about how "dumbed down" the game has been, you should try to keep an open mind until the game is done? Just a thought.

Now that that is out of the way, any other questions? :)


Edit: Like the difference in comments between Ginga-Rothman and Dollar Tann. One seems more willing to wait and see, the otehr is all doom and gloom. *sigh*

 

For a visual reference to the GDC07 build of the game, these areas were obviously much more polished, and closer to the final version:

  

 

The attempted ownage can now stop. Good day.


Here's a link to the quote:

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=556573&forum=104&sp=0

2nd page.

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#2 Guess_With_ReX
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It still looks better than all Ps3 games available :O
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#3 deactivated-5a07ca3443cc2
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I'll wait for the actual game to come out.
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#4 asdasd
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Holy Jaggies....

I still cant wait for this game though. 

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#5 fuzzysquash
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I have faith in Bioware.
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#6 hockeyruler12
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:roll:

its going to look amazing (not to mention those screenshots are stretched BIGTIME) 

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#7 Lilac_Benjie
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Mass Effect and Gears of War look better than anything on the Playstation 3, so I don't know what the Cows are getting excited about just yet.
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#8 GsSanAndreas
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Downgrade approved, llooks like the lemmings great graphics arent looking too good
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#9 ironwarrior2
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Are you trying to say that looks bad?  Go check out wii wii games if you want to see bad
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#10 Trading_Zoner
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it does look a bit worse.

It still looks pretty good though. 

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#11 fuzzysquash
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Btw Project, could you link me to where you got the quote? I'd like to read the full discussion
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#12 lawlessx
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"Either we can release no new images and screenshots (which you all clamor for and want more of), or we can release them like this and we get "Wow, you guys really dumbed down the game". Maybe instead of making up your mind about how "dumbed down" the game has been, you should try to keep an open mind until the game is done? Just a thought." well said
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#13 Wintry_Flutist
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Those pics were released in a totally different resolution...
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#14 lawlessx
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Downgrade approved, llooks like the lemmings great graphics arent looking too goodGsSanAndreas
guessing you didn't read the post :roll:
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#15 project343
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Btw Project, could you link me to where you got the quote? I'd like to read the full discussionfuzzysquash
http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=556573&forum=104&sp=0 2nd page, and thanks for reminding me. I updated the main post.
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#16 hockeyruler12
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Those pics were released in a totally different resolution...Wintry_Flutist

yes they were 

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#17 BigDaddyPOLO
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Good enough for such an early build.
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#18 Not-A-Stalker
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[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]It still looks better than all Ps3 games available :O

This game isn't available either... You're comparing 360 games that are comming out 6 months from now to current PS3 games, which may I remind you the bulk of which are launch games? Get a life. :|
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#19 asdasd
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"Either we can release no new images and screenshots (which you all clamor for and want more of), or we can release them like this and we get "Wow, you guys really dumbed down the game". Maybe instead of making up your mind about how "dumbed down" the game has been, you should try to keep an open mind until the game is done? Just a thought." well saidlawlessx

Yes that is well said. Anytime pictures of a game that looked great, and it looks a bit worse its a "downgrade". Look at Lair lol. Wait til the damn games are out people :D only a couple months away. I do hope they get rid of those jaggies though. 

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#20 ImagineGamer
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yet it still looks better than ANY ps3 games available. SELF-OWNAGE!!
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#21 palaric8
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[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]It still looks better than all Ps3 games available :O

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#22 Ibacai
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Yup, it's not fair to judge a game before it's launched. You can get a feel but nothing concrete. I'll wait until it ships and then enjoy it. Hell, I'd probably enjoy anything from Bioware even if it looked like pong.
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#23 project343
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yet it still looks better than ANY ps3 games available. SELF-OWNAGE!!ImagineGamer
Are you trying to claim self-ownage on me? I would hope not.
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#24 SuperKnightX
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It still looks better than all Ps3 games available :OGuess_With_ReX
nice joke
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#25 project343
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Those pics were released in a totally different resolution...Wintry_Flutist
Well, that's the resolution in Gamespy's gallery. http://media.xbox360.gamespy.com/media/718/718963/imgs_4.html
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#26 Not-A-Stalker
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yet it still looks better than ANY ps3 games available. SELF-OWNAGE!!ImagineGamer
You're comparing a game 6 months from release to games that came out 5 months ago. If there has been any "self-ownage" at all in this topic, it's been from you. :|
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#27 Vyse_The_Daring
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Downgrade approved, llooks like the lemmings great graphics arent looking too goodGsSanAndreas

Read the quote. 

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#28 neojackazz
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thanx for the link, any one know the release date?

 

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#29 asdasd
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thanx for the link, any one know the release date?

 

neojackazz

Sometime in may i think. 

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#30 neojackazz
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[QUOTE="neojackazz"]

thanx for the link, any one know the release date?

 

asdasd

Sometime in may i think. 

thanx a lot looking forward to this one
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#31 jxditu
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i remember when gears of war was first comin out and every new screen cows would say OMG look how bad it looks. then when it released no one said a thing. history repeating itself?
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#32 Hir0_N
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WOT DA ****???? This game looked incredible! And now it looks like crap! Total downgrade z0mg! But seirously wtf hapened? I mean, textures, poly counts, AA lighting. EVERYTHING just got downgraded??
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#33 project343
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thanx for the link, any one know the release date?

 

neojackazz

There has been no official word, but GameInformer has it listed as June 5th (a very realistic release date). The was officially announced to be late-Spring, so June 5th isn't far off. Linky: http://www.gameinformer.com/games/info/info.htm?CS_pid=200168

 

WOT DA ****???? This game looked incredible! And now it looks like crap! Total downgrade z0mg! But seirously wtf hapened? I mean, textures, poly counts, AA lighting. EVERYTHING just got downgraded?? Hir0_N


Sarcasm doesn't help. :P
 

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WOT DA ****???? This game looked incredible! And now it looks like crap! Total downgrade z0mg! But seirously wtf hapened? I mean, textures, poly counts, AA lighting. EVERYTHING just got downgraded?? Hir0_N

did you read the article?  the bioware guy said that he guarentees that it will look alot better by launch

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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"Either we can release no new images and screenshots (which you all clamor for and want more of), or we can release them like this and we get "Wow, you guys really dumbed down the game". Maybe instead of making up your mind about how "dumbed down" the game has been, you should try to keep an open mind until the game is done? Just a thought." well said

The simple truth is that people will judge anything they see as final. The will make comments as if the project is complete. I made the mistake of showing my boss progress and he would never understand that it was not finished. So, whatever is shown should represent a final work or it shouldn't be shown at all. The dog demo of Fable 2 worked well since the dog was a finished element in the game.
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#36 MoldOnHold
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Bioware won't let us down. But in all honesty, it's the gameplay here that matters.
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#37 El_Fanboy
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the only thing is, that gameplay VIDEO shown at E3 was ingame, so the graphics will look like that. if anything, they have gotten better
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#38 Me_Ur_Daddy_
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ill wait till it comes out but thats soundin like damage control from bioware, even 1up said there was some downgrading in the new build they showed with all the effects.
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#39 MTBare
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Downgrade approved, llooks like the lemmings great graphics arent looking too goodGsSanAndreas
Self ownage approved, boy is that embarrassing.
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#40 smokeydabear076
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What you said in the other thread about the GEOW texture loading thing might be the explanation for the really bad graphics in the conversation screen.
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ill wait till it comes out but thats soundin like damage control from bioware, even 1up said there was some downgrading in the new build they showed with all the effects.Me_Ur_Daddy_
You mean 1UP saying something looked different in the character's EYES? And they said, "could this be a design change or downgrade?"
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#42 ironcreed
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Well, just as long as this quote holds true, all will be well :

"This means that if the build that they were taken in doesn't have optimization (which very little does atm) or correct texture renders (same thing) then things don't look great yet. Certainly not how they will look by the time the game is shipped."

Some "anti-PS3" guy tried to post "dumbed down" DEVELOPMENTAL STAGE Lair screens the other day as well, only to get countered with full and actual resolution screens, which of course completely nullified his arguement. Anyway, my point is that the usuage of DEVELOPMENTAL STAGE screens for ANY game, for ANY system in order to try and talk trash about the game, only will end up making the individual doing so look like a complete imbecile. As it is nothing more than an insult to most people's intelligence.

There is absolutely no way that Mass Effect will be released looking like that, lol. Those look about like an EARLY Xbox 1 release as it is, but the final product will of course be fine. This is probably my most anticipated 360 release, come to think of it. Cannot wait. It will be a great game, no doubt. 

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#44 project343
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the only thing is, that gameplay VIDEO shown at E3 was ingame, so the graphics will look like that. if anything, they have gotten betterEl_Fanboy
Not quite. That was Bioware's target goal, they specifically designed those areas to give an estimation on what the game would look like for release. By X06, you saw how the game was actually coming along (not so good), but now you can see that the game is nearing the target. Yes it was in-game, but no, it doesn't mean that the final game will look like the target goal. Games get downgraded for a reason, Lair went through it, and Halo 3 went through it. Why? Well, again, companies set target goals, and fail to meet them when it's in development, but that doesn't mean that the game will look any better or worse then the target goal when it releases. I mean, the Halo 3 E306 trailer was in-engine, right? Well, I'm sure you can make the comparisons by yourself...
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#45 Raidea
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Did people on the first page of this thread even bother to read the OPs comment?

By the looks of it, the answer is no.

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#46 alec4ducks
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System wars works on the basis of the thread title and the pretty pictures
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#47 project343
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What you said in the other thread about the GEOW texture loading thing might be the explanation for the really bad graphics in the conversation screen.smokeydabear076
Possibly, but I'll take the developer's word over my own conclusions any day. :)
ill wait till it comes out but thats soundin like damage control from bioware, even 1up said there was some downgrading in the new build they showed with all the effects.Me_Ur_Daddy_
1UP actually said the conversations were downgraded from the E306 showing, which is realistic. Unless Bioware wanted to hit a load time, I couldn't imagine how they would go from exploration character models to conversation character models... But again, at the same time, the game's exploration and combat graphical quality has heavily increased since that build. So it was originally breath-taking conversations, and dirt-quality combat; however, now it's all relatively great quality.
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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]the only thing is, that gameplay VIDEO shown at E3 was ingame, so the graphics will look like that. if anything, they have gotten betterproject343
Not quite. That was Bioware's target goal, they specifically designed those areas to give an estimation on what the game would look like for release. By X06, you saw how the game was actually coming along (not so good), but now you can see that the game is nearing the target. Yes it was in-game, but no, it doesn't mean that the final game will look like the target goal. Games get downgraded for a reason, Lair went through it, and Halo 3 went through it. Why? Well, again, companies set target goals, and fail to meet them when it's in development, but that doesn't mean that the game will look any better or worse then the target goal when it releases. I mean, the Halo 3 E306 trailer was in-engine, right? Well, I'm sure you can make the comparisons by yourself...

there have been gameplay videos, i downloaded one on my 360, full gameplay, it looked AMAZING 

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#49 StarFoxCOM
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Oh god no this game looks (gulps) Avarge.
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#50 Tristam22
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I'm sure this game will look great when it releases. Even if it looks at all like those first two shots, gameplay counts more than graphics, and if KoTOR has anything to say about it, we should anticipate a great game.