Looking at the last gen, Cell was the biggest freaking Sony mistake.

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It was an comparatively expensive thing. Sony should had stick to the simplier CPU and invest in better GPU, just like MS did with X360. Why does this matter now, you ask? Backwards compatibility! Scorpio having the ability to play X360 at 4k with 16 AF and improved AA is a huge thing. Just imagine having the ability to do the same with PS3 games on PS4 Pro.

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Yawn. MS nuthuggers keep trying to make threads about the glory days of 360 but the Xbox brand is basically dead.

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The Cell was the greatest thing since sliced bread last gen. What happened???

Lmao at touting Microsoft's achievements last gen, and forgetting the elephant in the room. Games.

All of their progress will not mean anything if they do not deliver on the whole point of having a games console.

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@Pray_to_me said:

Yawn. MS nuthuggers keep trying to make threads about the glory days of 360 but the Xbox brand is basically dead.

This thread is about PS3 library though. I'd like to play Demon's Souls or Killzone 2 at improved resolution but my only hope is rpcs3.

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They don't call it the BS3 for nuttin ya know. :P

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@crashnburn281:you didn't get the point did you? I'm not "touting Microsoft's achievements", I'm speaking about Sony's mistake. All that "power of the Cell" went to catching up with x360 graphically and Killzone and Uncharted games looking better than anything on 360 was only because of MS not having as strong first party developers as Sony. Backwards compatibility is a big deal as I can run, for example, Team Fortress 2, a ten years old game, on my PC with 4k, 16 AF and HBAO enabled and it still looks amazing and somewhat comparable to modern games, while when I look at any PS3 game my eyes hurt a lot.

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@Orchid87:

Sony sold off the publishing rights to Demons Souls in the west. Atlas published it in the US and Namco in the EU. That's why we never got a Demons Souls 2 and probably why we have not/will not get a remastered version. Another one of their fuckups.

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Not really, helped them garner 2 top 5 GOAT's and the coveted AAAAE 10/10 Essential must play exclusive.

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@Heil68: no thanks to Cell. Sony first party developers could make the same games on the x360 hardware with minimum changes to the quality.

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@Heil68: no thanks to Cell. Sony first party developers could make the same games on the x360 hardware with minimum changes to the quality.

Led them from 1 year down to be overtake 360.

Simply stunning revaluations, all thank to the technological advancements of the most powerful CPU in console history at the time.

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@Heil68 said:

Not really, helped them garner 2 top 5 GOAT's and the coveted AAAAE 10/10 Essential must play exclusive.

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

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@FastRobby said:
@Heil68 said:

Not really, helped them garner 2 top 5 GOAT's and the coveted AAAAE 10/10 Essential must play exclusive.

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

but they went to the cell, which was even better.

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@crashnburn281 said:

The Cell was the greatest thing since sliced bread last gen. What happened???

Lmao at touting Microsoft's achievements last gen, and forgetting the elephant in the room. Games.

All of their progress will not mean anything if they do not deliver on the whole point of having a games console.

So they had no games last gen according to you?

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@Heil68 said:
@FastRobby said:

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

but they went to the cell, which was even better.

The Cell was garbage and all hype. Its the reason they abandon the hardware.

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#15  Edited By Heil68
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@Pedro said:
@Heil68 said:
@FastRobby said:

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

but they went to the cell, which was even better.

The Cell was garbage and all hype. Its the reason they abandon the hardware.

except for the 2 verified top 10 GOAT's and coveted 10/10 AAAAE excluive or the avalanche of AAAE in the last year of console.

We are all humbled by your greatness SONY.

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I have to solute Sony for having the balls to create the Cell. It was a monster that completely dusted every other CPU in floating point performance.

Unfortunately it exacerbated a huge (and growing) problem in the industry. Game development is already difficult, time consuming, and expensive and the Cell made it more so.

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#17  Edited By dalger21
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Not sure the 599 starting price was all that great using that cell tech. In the end, however, PS3 had some of the greatest games made including one that made it into my top five games of all-time.

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Yep, that's just one of many Sony mistakes did last gen. I mean Xbox 360 supposedly absolutely had no chance especially when the PS3 was coming out of the most dominant gaming console generation era and the king of gaming consoles the PS2. But as time went by last gen, it got clearer and clearer, the PlayStation was untouchable as many thought. They failed miserably on a lot of things, from the Cell to PSN to online security to price to flops, the list just goes on. But it's just not how many mistakes Sony made, it's what the competition like the Xbox did right is what made them steal the console gaming market from PlayStation.

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#19  Edited By osan0
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aye twas. there are some conflicting stories around the PS3 development. some say it was supposed to have 2 cell processors. others say it was 1 and only 256MB of ram. early 360 protoypes also only had 256MB of ram and im not sure what the GPU spec was for it at that stage. but, as the story goes, epic showed MS what gears would look like on a console with 256MB of ram and they upped it to 512MB as a result. another story about the PS3 was that developers were not consulted really. one day a box just turns up for sonys inhouse studios and they are told "this is the PS3. make games for this".

i suspect sony saw what the 360 could do and realised that even 2 cell processors were not going to be able to keep up. so they roped in nvidia at a late stage and we ended up with a mess of a console (no blame on nvidia there).

its interesting looking back on it now. but it was a very badly designed console with too much interference from sonys other divisions. no one liked working on it. it never managed to pull away in the visuals or gaming performance department. the cell is dead and buried as a project (GPGPU saw to that). the blu-ray win is a bit hollow. the hardware itself was just not a great gaming machine.

thankfully sony have learned and have since created the vita (an amazing portable machine that developers also like to work on) and the PS4 (also an excellent gaming machine).

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@Orchid87 said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Yawn. MS nuthuggers keep trying to make threads about the glory days of 360 but the Xbox brand is basically dead.

This thread is about PS3 library though. I'd like to play Demon's Souls or Killzone 2 at improved resolution but my only hope is rpcs3.

No. This thread is actually you trying to brag about the Scorpio.

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@Heil68 said:

except for the 2 verified top 10 GOAT's and coveted 10/10 AAAAE excluive or the avalanche of AAAE in the last year of console.

We are all humbled by your greatness SONY.

You know that doesn't make the cell any less garbage like.

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The Cell's full power has yet to be fully harnessed. Who knows what wonders and secrets it still holds? But unfortunately lazy developers never put their full effort into trying to understand the power. Oh well, perhaps some things are best left unknown.

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DS3, SIXAXIS, and Move are all competitive, but I agree TC

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@Pray_to_me said:

Yawn. MS nuthuggers keep trying to make threads about the glory days of 360 but the Xbox brand is basically dead.

And yet it's all you moronic cows talk about.....dead you say?

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@Heil68 said:
@Pedro said:
@Heil68 said:
@FastRobby said:

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

but they went to the cell, which was even better.

The Cell was garbage and all hype. Its the reason they abandon the hardware.

except for the 2 verified top 10 GOAT's and coveted 10/10 AAAAE excluive or the avalanche of AAAE in the last year of console.

We are all humbled by your greatness SONY.

The cell had nothing to do with that troll. Sony went from selling 150M+ to 80M+ by the end of the gen. You call that winning? Yeah you're a troll so you probably do.

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Nope, think Sony should go back that direction not using off the shelf garbage. The Cell was powerful once developers knew what to do with, some of the exclusives are proof of that.

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@kingtito said:
@Heil68 said:
@Pedro said:
@Heil68 said:
@FastRobby said:

It was harder to develop for, and indeed due to the CPU Sony isn't able to use PS4 to emulate it, and run BC games. Those games would also have been created if they went for an easier solution. It's not thanks to the cell that those games have been created, that's thanks to Sony funding.

but they went to the cell, which was even better.

The Cell was garbage and all hype. Its the reason they abandon the hardware.

except for the 2 verified top 10 GOAT's and coveted 10/10 AAAAE excluive or the avalanche of AAAE in the last year of console.

We are all humbled by your greatness SONY.

The cell had nothing to do with that troll. Sony went from selling 150M+ to 80M+ by the end of the gen. You call that winning? Yeah you're a troll so you probably do.

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#28  Edited By ronvalencia
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@harnessthepower said:

The Cell's full power has yet to be fully harnessed. Who knows what wonders and secrets it still holds? But unfortunately lazy developers never put their full effort into trying to understand the power. Oh well, perhaps some things are best left unknown.

AMD Jaguar has superior IPC(instructions per clock) and complex instruction compression advantage.

1 GFLOPS complex instruction set is superior to 1 GFLOPS simple reduce instruction set instruction .