LOL! Call of Duty isn't the only franchise with inflated scores

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#1 ActionRemix
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EA is withholding review copies of Battlefield 3 from reviewers they think will give the game a bad score.  http://bf3blog.com/2011/10/ea-tries-to-manipulate-battlefield-3-scores-in-norway/ Jump all over this one COD fanboys.
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#2 razgriz_101
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being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

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#3 ChubbyGuy40
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Don't blame them when reviews mean so damn much and you have idiot reviewers who intentionally give it a bad score because they're fanboys of another series.

...okay I do blame them. This is kinda low, but it must be hard to judge the MP when you have no one else to play with.

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#4 Heil68
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Yeah, its so much better to fly your reviewer out to a island paradise spa treatment for them to do their review. :lol:
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#5 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Can't say that I am surprised.. This is a business.. These companies are going to try to do everything in their power to maximize it for their shareholders.
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#6 Wasdie  Moderator
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God damnit EA. You would do this wouldn't you.

I guess one can't blame them but it's a matter of ethics.

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#7 el3m2tigre
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No comment....

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#8 nintendoboy16
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being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

razgriz_101
I don't think Nintendo or Sega do this.
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#9 Sushiglutton
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j) Does he work for Destructoid? Seriously that is really low.
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#10 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

nintendoboy16

I don't think Nintendo or Sega do this.

I'm sure they do. I'm sure everybody who pumps millions into game development does.

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#11 ActionRemix
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Yeah, its so much better to fly your reviewer out to a island paradise spa treatment for them to do their review. :lol: Heil68
Namco Bandai must have sent Gamespot to Siberia for their Ace Combat Assault Horizon review. :P
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#12 kuraimen
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This has been done since forever. MS threatened to include reporters on a black list if they didn't give their products good reviews. That's why games like COD and Halo score so well across the board even though they mostly rehash. So many money is invested in them and their companies are used to doing it.
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#13 Sushiglutton
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How did the expect this to be kept a secret if they don't give copies to some major review sites? I mean they may write about it...
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#14 racing1750
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This has been done since forever. MS threatened to include reporters on a black list if they didn't give their products good reviews. That's why games like COD and Halo score so well across the board even though they mostly rehash. So many money is invested in them and their companies are used to doing it.kuraimen
Last I checked Halo reach wasn't a rehash...
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#15 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Yeah, its so much better to fly your reviewer out to a island paradise spa treatment for them to do their review. :lol: ActionRemix
Namco Bandai must have sent Gamespot to Siberia for their Ace Combat Assault Horizon review. :P

You rerally have to wonder..I bet they didn't do what EA did or this: Two weeks before the game's launch, I was flown from San Francisco to LAX; from there, I was driven to Santa Monica airport where I was given a flight helmet customized with my gamertag." "I was then put into a helicopter and flown to Ojai, California, a small town about two hours north of Los Angeles. After landing in a field, I was driven to the Ojai Valley Inn and Spa, where I was given a posh suite to stay in for three days." How in the world would you score a game low based on that? I would want to go back. :P
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#16 ActionRemix
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The thing that really got to me was the question "Is he a fan of Call of Duty?" EA hasn't kept it a secret that BF3 is in competition with MW3, but d---.
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#17 -ArchAngeL-777-
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Well this is of no surprise. Again, look at those questions. COD and Activision are all in EA's head right now. Just like that stupid "Above and beyond the call" slogan. EA is not consumed with making the best Battlefield game ever. They are consumed with taking down COD. There is a difference. That's the reason for all the COD influence in Bad Company 2, and the reason BF3 plays like it's sequel. Its a shame too.
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#18 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

Wasdie

I don't think Nintendo or Sega do this.

I'm sure they do. I'm sure everybody who pumps millions into game development does.

The critical bashings of Mario Sports Mix, Metroid: Other M (mainly with X-Play's 2 out of 5), Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed HD seem to tell me otherwise.

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#19 wis3boi
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being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

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*any company with a publisher swimming in cash, yep
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#20 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

nintendoboy16

I don't think Nintendo or Sega do this.

they all probably do theres no good or evil in the industy only grey.Same goes for music labels almost always do this with big releases, try and get it reviewed by a fan and its all golden.Theres been many a good example of this over the years.

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#21 meetroid8
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I'm sure this is true with all large scale releases. Just all the more reason to ignore reviews.
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#22 klusps
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It's business and I'm pretty sure many big name companies did it also.

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#23 Sushiglutton
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I really hate the "everybody does it" argument. We have no way of knowing that. It's so demoralizing. EA has been caught, now they need to get flamed (within reason, I'm still getting the game :)!).
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I really hate the "everybody does it" argument. We have no way of knowing that. It's so demoralizing. EA has been caught, now they need to get flamed (within reason, I'm still getting the game :)!).Sushiglutton

These are businesses.. Ones that deal with multi million dollar profits.. They are going to do everything in their power to maximize their profits, this is a extremely cost effective way of going about it.

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#25 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]I really hate the "everybody does it" argument. We have no way of knowing that. It's so demoralizing. EA has been caught, now they need to get flamed (within reason, I'm still getting the game :)!).sSubZerOo

These are businesses.. Ones that deal with multi million dollar profits.. They are going to do everything in their power to maximize their profits, this is a extremely cost effective way of going about it.

I don't get how it works tbh. If a site doesn't get a copy won't they notice when other sites do? Seems quite risky to me. I mean it could easily backfire.

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#26 Harisemo
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how low can EA/Dice go? While it won't happen, it would be awesome if BF3 bombed in reviews and sales.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

being honest i think every company does this nowadays.

Wasdie

I don't think Nintendo or Sega do this.

I'm sure they do. I'm sure everybody who pumps millions into game development does.

Than what is the point of game reviews anymore if they all get influenced by the companys making the games ?

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#28 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]I really hate the "everybody does it" argument. We have no way of knowing that. It's so demoralizing. EA has been caught, now they need to get flamed (within reason, I'm still getting the game :)!).sSubZerOo

These are businesses.. Ones that deal with multi million dollar profits.. They are going to do everything in their power to maximize their profits, this is a extremely cost effective way of going about it.

There should be corruption investigations if this really is a common marketing strategy.
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#29 meetroid8
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]I really hate the "everybody does it" argument. We have no way of knowing that. It's so demoralizing. EA has been caught, now they need to get flamed (within reason, I'm still getting the game :)!).Sushiglutton

These are businesses.. Ones that deal with multi million dollar profits.. They are going to do everything in their power to maximize their profits, this is a extremely cost effective way of going about it.

I don't get how it works tbh. If a site doesn't get a copy won't they notice when other sites do? Seems quite risky to me. I mean it could easily backfire.

I'm sure they'll still get a copy, just later than everyone else. That way the first batch of reviews is guaranteed to be very positive.
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#30 QQabitmoar
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God, it's a good time to be a reviewer. Who knows what EA and Acti are planning for them this time around?

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#31 KungfuKitten
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Suppose we should start to abandon reviews in SW for big budget games. It's gotten pretty ridiculous.

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Well it is pretty important to EA that BF3 has higher scores than MW3 and they don't want troll reviewers bogging the score down

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#33 KungfuKitten
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Well it is pretty important to EA that BF3 has higher scores than MW3 and they don't want troll reviewers bogging the score down

BPoole96

Yes and they apologised and this and that. It's still unacceptable for the consumer. Now that this happens so often, they ruined something fantastic. How can any selfrespecting gamer still put trust in a reviewer. It's gone. For me, at least. Maybe Nintendo and Valve games are an exception? I wouldn't even dare to say that for sure.
And I find GiantBomb somewhat trustworthy cause of the jeff story, but they have different opinions on games than I do.

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#34 R4gn4r0k
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Suppose we should start to abandon reviews in SW for big budget games. It's gotten pretty ridiculous.

KungfuKitten

Agreed it seems only indie game reviews still have a point if every big budget title does this.

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#35 MlauTheDaft
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Gaming journalism and ethics don't go hand in hand. Journalism generally does'nt actually.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Well it is pretty important to EA that BF3 has higher scores than MW3 and they don't want troll reviewers bogging the score down

KungfuKitten

Yes and they apologised and this and that. It's still unacceptable for the consumer. Now that this happens so often, they ruined something fantastic. How can any selfrespecting gamer still put trust in a reviewer. It's gone. For me, at least. Maybe Nintendo and Valve games are an exception? I wouldn't even dare to say that for sure.
And I find GiantBomb somewhat trustworthy cause of the jeff story, but they have different opinions on games than I do.

It is unacceptable for them to do this but your average consumer is too lazy to read an entire review so if they go on metacritic and see BF3 - 88 and MW3 - 92, it may hurt sales. I would imagine the swag that EA is giving to reviewers is going to be top notch

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#37 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Wow so pathetic. When EA does it everyone says "everyone does it" but when Activision does it, it's not the same is it?

EA/Battlefield fanboys can be so pathetic sometimes

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EA sure seems insecure about their precious BF3.
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#39 LegatoSkyheart
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Just let the Reviewer tell them that they play Halo.

That's a for sure 9.0+ Review right there.

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#40 MlauTheDaft
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Wow so pathetic. When EA does it everyone says "everyone does it" but when Activision does it, it's not the same is it?

EA/Battlefield fanboys can be so pathetic sometimes

OB-47

I believe that's your personal perception. EA is generally regarded as having reverted to their old ways of evil in mine.

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#41 ActionRemix
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Wow so pathetic. When EA does it everyone says "everyone does it" but when Activision does it, it's not the same is it?

EA/Battlefield fanboys can be so pathetic sometimes

OB-47
Who is an EA fanboy? Nobody cares about publishers aside from Nintendo.
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#42 Lto_thaG
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That's pretty funny.

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#43 razgriz_101
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Wow so pathetic. When EA does it everyone says "everyone does it" but when Activision does it, it's not the same is it?

EA/Battlefield fanboys can be so pathetic sometimes

OB-47

depends on perception and after gretsmanngate its become a common conception most major pubs are doing this to be absolutely blunt.

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#44 Silverbond
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This has been done since forever. MS threatened to include reporters on a black list if they didn't give their products good reviews. That's why games like COD and Halo score so well across the board even though they mostly rehash. So many money is invested in them and their companies are used to doing it.kuraimen
Do you think Sony also does it?
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#45 SPYDER0416
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This seems like the worst way to get a grip on review copies. Can't they just lie and say the reviewer freaking loves it even if he despises shooters with a passion? How does this work again?

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How did the expect this to be kept a secret if they don't give copies to some major review sites? I mean they may write about it...Sushiglutton
the shocking part is that they thought this could stop them from just buying the game at a random retailer and give it an even worse score, 'cause they're now pissed off at EA.
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#47 SaltyMeatballs
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Seems excessive.
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#48 organic_machine
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Not really that big of a deal, people can review it a little after it comes out.

I mean, I am not advocating EA doing this. I think it's vile and unethical. But the timing of the reviews isn't as important to me as the quality.

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#49 Lto_thaG
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This does remind me of an episode of Top Gear where Chrysler refused to give Top Gear the Charger because they were afraid they were going to hate it

So Hammond went out and bought one.
Lol.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Yeah, its so much better to fly your reviewer out to a island paradise spa treatment for them to do their review. :lol: ActionRemix
Namco Bandai must have sent Gamespot to Siberia for their Ace Combat Assault Horizon review. :P

I wondered if Namco did something to piss off GS at the time. The game is bad and the review isn't wrong, but 5.5 implies it's broken to me, 6.5 sounds right. It's just a bad game.