Its been 7 years and no Third person game surpassed Max payne 3.

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#1 Ghosts4ever
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Not in a terms of gameplay, not in a terms of animation. no third person game let alone TPS still has surpassed max payne 3. i mean what the hell happened?

are developers to be blamed? for making boring open world copy paste games? or making cover based shooters? or loot MP shooters? or lot of developers jumping on open world RPG bandwagon? although its not best max payne game. it will always be original but holy crap this game has shooting mechanics, the gameplay, even amazing story.

so my friends, lets discuss why after almost we still havenot witness pure action third person game like this??

easily one of the best TPS game ever and by far best rockstar game ever.

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#2  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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I agree Max Payne 3 is so damn good can't believe it's been already 7 years damn!!! I would love for Rockstar to remake Max Payne 1 in the Rage engine I feel it's the only way we could get a new Max Payne game.

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#3  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Third person game is stretching it. Third person shooter, possibly.

I'd say the Sniper games came in second.

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I agree Max Payne 3 is so damn good can't believe it's been already 7 years damn!!! I would love for Rockstar to remake Max Payne 1 in the Rage engine I feel it's the only way we could get a new Max Payne game.

sadly they are now being stick to open world games. for open world developers, their best game is linear game by far.

Max payne 1 remake would be so amazing.

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Again this?!

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MP3 is pretty mediocre game... also the division 2 shits all over this

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F zero X. 1998. Still the best. 7 years lol.

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MP3 is pretty mediocre game... also the division 2 shits all over this

So bulletsponges online loot RPG shooter is better than a game that still has best gunplay in any third person game?

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God Of War....... Horizon: ZD...... both 3rd person and better games..

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#10  Edited By deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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U drunk?

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Max Payne 3 predates John Wick pop culture. Another reason why I like the game in the first place.

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#13  Edited By Calvincfb
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Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

TW3, HZD, Spider-man and a lot of other games are better third person games.

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@calvincfb said:

Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

Lol, no. Rise of the Tomb Raider is about as static and stiff as third person shooters get. Uncharted 4 has a pretty poor field of view while holding the aim button. Max Payne 3 trumps both.

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I couldn’t even be bothered to finish max Payne 3. Worst game of the series by far imo.

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@calvincfb said:

Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

Lol, no. Rise of the Tomb Raider is about as static and stiff as third person shooters get. Uncharted 4 has a pretty poor field of view while holding the aim button. Max Payne 3 trumps both.

Metacritic disagrees with you.

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#17  Edited By SecretPolice
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Stranglehold...

I kid a lil just to be different. lol

Gears FTW. :P

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I agree Max Payne 3 is so damn good can't believe it's been already 7 years damn!!! I would love for Rockstar to remake Max Payne 1 in the Rage engine I feel it's the only way we could get a new Max Payne game.

I want Max Payne 4. From my blog:

This is sort of a repeat of a previous post, in which I wrote up my ideal third person shooter. I made it more relevant to Max Payne and expanded on a few points, when I thought about a potential fourth game at four in the morning yesterday in a sleep-deprived state.

Max is in his late forties in Max Payne 3. If a sequel came out now, he would be in his fifties. I want a younger character, because I want faster movement, at least as efficient as in the multiplayer. They should move nimbly and efficiently, but have weight too. I liked the balance in Max Payne 3, but I think it could be improved. I would make Max a recurring character who sort of drives the story. You would view him through the perspective of this young new character, who now narrates the story. Kind of like how Solid Snake became cooler when you played as Raiden and watched him in Metal Gear Solid 2. It will still be very much about Max, hence the name Max Payne. Maybe he appears corrupt and you have to figure out some truth. I think Max should get involved in whatever mess he’s in because he believes in it, feels he has to. I don’t want him to get dragged into it again and be a painkiller-addicted depressive. I want him to be more optimistic this time, so that it doesn’t feel like a repeat.

I kind of want the nightmare sequences back.

I really, really want shoot-dodging enemies. It makes the action more exhilarating. I know because I play the multiplayer and have also dabbled in Double Action: Boogaloo. There’s something really satisfying about filling a guy with holes as he’s flying through the air. They should also be able to roll and slide on the ground, just like Max.

A slide button. A slide button! Actually, it wouldn’t even need to be a dedicated button. Just have him slide when you hold the crouch button while running with the Ctrl key.

Keep the carry system from Max Payne 3, but add a second two-handed weapon that can be slung over the character’s shoulder, whether it be a shotgun or grenade launcher or sniper rifle. Combined with the two sidearm holsters (number keys 1, 2 and 3, the third being for dual pistols), that would give me pretty much all the firepower I need. Make the range of the shotguns exactly like in Max Payne 3 (meaning far). Bring the grenades back. They were there in the multiplayer (where you could even cook them) and in both games prior. Bring in the melee system from the multiplayer. You HAVE to press the melee button; it doesn’t just happen automatically when you press the fire button in front of someone.

Keep the shoulder swapping from Max Payne 3. I don’t like the way Red Dead Redemption and Uncharted do it. You can only swap shoulders while zooming with the aim button. I feel like that’s the standard now, but it’s too limiting for a game that lets you run and shoot accurately at the same time.

I still want it to be linear, but it needs more open areas and fewer interruptions than Max Payne 3, so that the player can more freely experiment with the weapons and try different approaches. I also want to be able to blow holes into walls to create routes and escapes. Which brings me to my next point.

Much more destruction. The destruction in the Hong Kong shoot ’em up movies that these games were originally inspired by bordered on pornographic. I want to see exploding glass, sparks, confetti, rubble, splinters, fire… Walls and furniture need to deform and give way, changing the situation. I want the enemies to react to all of this, whether it’s glass exploding into their eyes or gasoline lighting them on fire. This destruction also needs to apply to the enemies. I want to be able blow their limbs off and explode them, as they tumble, fly back and fall realistically. Rockstar’s Euphoria engine can be used for this. The enemies should fly back a little more dramatically than in Max Payne 3, I think. I would appreciate more armor on enemies. Call me strange, but I actually prefer the later levels of Max Payne 3, like the police station, where the enemies are wearing helmets and body armors. I don’t want to be able to instantly drop everyone with headshot.

Let me shoot in two directions, Devil May Cry 3 gunslinger style. Maybe you would press the side buttons of the mouse to blind-fire to the side with one arm, with a small amount of auto-aim added to the blind shot. This auto-aim would only activate when the enemy is nearby, similar to a melee.

I would trust Rockstar to balance the multiplayer better this time. Put in fewer stupid exploits and make it less of a grind for new players. But who knows what they’d do? GTA Online was a mess. It wouldn’t surprise me if in six months Red Dead Redemption 2’s multiplayer has flying horses with Gatling guns. I really don’t like unlockables in multiplayer games. I would still probably play the multiplayer obsessively, though.

This is all just me dreaming, though. I know these kinds of shooters are dead. People don’t care about them enough.

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Ghost "HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK ITS A GAME I LIKE, LOOK AT IT, LOOK DAMN IT"!!!

Well that's because PC doesn't have any quality exclusives on its own.

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#20  Edited By deactivated-60113e7859d7d
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@calvincfb said:
@ezekiel43 said:
@calvincfb said:

Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

Lol, no. Rise of the Tomb Raider is about as static and stiff as third person shooters get. Uncharted 4 has a pretty poor field of view while holding the aim button. Max Payne 3 trumps both.

Metacritic disagrees with you.

Metacritic likes pretentious filth like Hellblade and Gone Home, not to mention trash like the Assassin's Creed series. Think for yourself.

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@ezekiel43 said:
@calvincfb said:
@ezekiel43 said:
@calvincfb said:

Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

Lol, no. Rise of the Tomb Raider is about as static and stiff as third person shooters get. Uncharted 4 has a pretty poor field of view while holding the aim button. Max Payne 3 trumps both.

Metacritic disagrees with you.

Metacritic likes pretentious filth like Hellblade and Gone Home, not to mention trash like the Assassin's Creed series. Think for yourself.

^Truth

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#22  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@calvincfb said:
@ezekiel43 said:
@calvincfb said:

Uncharted 4 and Rise of The Tomb Raider are better shooters.

Lol, no. Rise of the Tomb Raider is about as static and stiff as third person shooters get. Uncharted 4 has a pretty poor field of view while holding the aim button. Max Payne 3 trumps both.

Metacritic disagrees with you.

yes because metacritic means crap.

the fact that no TPS game has better gunplay than Max payne 3. only people who never played it disagree.

plus Max payne 1 was a masterpiece and still best third person game along with Mafia 1. Tomb raider is a joke compare to them. infact reboot tomb raider trilogy are among the worst games of all times.

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@Heil68 said:
@vfighter said:

Ghost "HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK ITS A GAME I LIKE, LOOK AT IT, LOOK DAMN IT"!!!

Well that's because PC doesn't have any quality exclusives on its own.

Still better exclusive than anything on console.

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#24  Edited By deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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@ghosts4ever said:
@Heil68 said:
@vfighter said:

Ghost "HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK ITS A GAME I LIKE, LOOK AT IT, LOOK DAMN IT"!!!

Well that's because PC doesn't have any quality exclusives on its own.

Still better exclusive than anything on console.

I would rather take the exclusives on consoles.

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#25 djoffer
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@ghosts4ever: except it doesn’t mp 1 and 2 is wayyy better!

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Stranglehold...

I kid a lil just to be different. lol

Gears FTW. :P

stranglehold was one underrated game.

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@ghosts4ever: it means more than your narrow taste, for sure.

And I played all the games I talked about it, mind you, since I don't reduce my games to one genre, including MP3, and as much as I like it, uncharted 4 and rise of the tomb raider are vastly superior games.

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@calvincfb said:

@ghosts4ever: it means more than your narrow taste, for sure.

And I played all the games I talked about it, mind you, since I don't reduce my games to one genre, including MP3, and as much as I like it, uncharted 4 and rise of the tomb raider are vastly superior games.

tomb raider is superior? in what way?

in story? absolutely not. as tomb raider has terrible story and worst main character that is lara croft. Max payne on other hand is badass.

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Look at Max badass delivery of dialogues.

on other hand look at lara croft dialogues who always whine " this is soooo hard" "I cannot do this" lol. not to mention Max is also gaming most depressing character. he lost his wife, daughter, framed for it, run from both cops and criminals in original game and finally in max payne 3 he found peace after so many years.

in a terms of shooting??

in uncharted and tomb raider you take cover and shoot while your hearlth regenerate. the shooting is poor, especially in tomb raider its just so bad. while in max payne, you go full bullet time, dive, shoot enemies while slo mo, the shooting feel so satisfying etc.

comparing Max payne to tomb raider is just an insult to max payne. although i respect your opinion for liking tomb raider but max payne craps all over any third person game in market.

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@ghosts4ever: Yes. Also, Gears has better gunplay.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@calvincfb said:

@ghosts4ever: it means more than your narrow taste, for sure.

And I played all the games I talked about it, mind you, since I don't reduce my games to one genre, including MP3, and as much as I like it, uncharted 4 and rise of the tomb raider are vastly superior games.

tomb raider is superior? in what way?

in story? absolutely not. as tomb raider has terrible story and worst main character that is lara croft. Max payne on other hand is badass.

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Look at Max badass delivery of dialogues.

on other hand look at lara croft dialogues who always whine " this is soooo hard" "I cannot do this" lol. not to mention Max is also gaming most depressing character. he lost his wife, daughter, framed for it, run from both cops and criminals in original game and finally in max payne 3 he found peace after so many years.

in a terms of shooting??

in uncharted and tomb raider you take cover and shoot while your hearlth regenerate. the shooting is poor, especially in tomb raider its just so bad. while in max payne, you go full bullet time, dive, shoot enemies while slo mo, the shooting feel so satisfying etc.

comparing Max payne to tomb raider is just an insult to max payne. although i respect your opinion for liking tomb raider but max payne craps all over any third person game in market.

Gameplay is vastly superior in Uncharted and Tomb Raider. In every single way. HZD is even more superior than both.

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Wish max Payne was BC on Xbox, also wish for a max Payne 4 or a reboot.

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@calvincfb said:

Gameplay is vastly superior in Uncharted and Tomb Raider. In every single way. HZD is even more superior than both.

prove me and explain me. tomb raider is everything wrong with gaming today. full of QTE and bad shooting, see through walls, regen health etc.

maybe max payne is too badass for you. lol stick to kingdom hearts 3 my friend.

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#33  Edited By Archangel3371
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The Gears of War games are my preferred TPS games.

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#34 mumunaro
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Real title translation : I just want more Max Payne games.

I love MP3. I completed it thrice. But the best tps? Not really. One of the best though.

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Uncharted 4, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Marvel's Spider-Man, Super Mario Odyssey, Witcher 3, and Zelda Breath of the Wild are all 3rd person games I enjoyed more than Max Payne 3. Just my personal opinion though,

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#36  Edited By with_teeth26
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Third Person game? no

Third Person Shooter? absolutely agree

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Because commercially those didn't sell as good as these:

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Gamers....sigh!

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@djoffer said:

MP3 is pretty mediocre game... also the division 2 shits all over this

How is a shallow looter shooter better then MP3?

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#39 Macutchi
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Third Person game? no

Third Person Shooter? absolutely agree

yeah i'd go with this from memory. i've not played mp3 for years and i couldn't be bothered seeing if it was bc on the xbox, it was £5 on steam so i've just picked it up. it's downloading as i write this and it'll be installed by the time i hit post. all without ever having to leave my seat. what an age we live in. it better be as good as i remember it

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@iambatman7986 said:

Uncharted 4, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Marvel's Spider-Man, Super Mario Odyssey, Witcher 3, and Zelda Breath of the Wild are all 3rd person games I enjoyed more than Max Payne 3. Just my personal opinion though,

Well, ghosts never has any arguments, it's his opinion or nothing, so you're right and he isn't.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@calvincfb said:

Gameplay is vastly superior in Uncharted and Tomb Raider. In every single way. HZD is even more superior than both.

prove me and explain me. tomb raider is everything wrong with gaming today. full of QTE and bad shooting, see through walls, regen health etc.

maybe max payne is too badass for you. lol stick to kingdom hearts 3 my friend.

Have you forgotten? I've played MP3 multiple times, I like the game, it's a very good game, I wish it had a sequel. But all the other games I cited are vastly superior to it.

Anyway, who told you a person can't enjoy both KH and MP? And what does this have to do with the topic? Do not derail your own threads, you lost the discussion when you did that.

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@scatteh316: No, no they are not.

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#43 Macutchi
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sao paulo - "like baghdad with thongs." love max.

mechanics are great, shooting not got as much weight or oomph as i remember though

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Ghosts your opinions suck.

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@ghosts4ever said:

Not in a terms of gameplay, not in a terms of animation. no third person game let alone TPS still has surpassed max payne 3. i mean what the hell happened?

You relying on 3rd party developers to supply all of your AAA game content would be choice #1.

That's what happens when you buy into narratives like, "Exclusives don't matter, 3rd party games are all I need." yeah aite.

Now you're making an argument based on ignorance because your 3rd party games have failed you, when our exclusive games have far surpassed the fond memory you had of that old 3rd party console port.

You said you were thinking of getting a PS5 before right? Well if you do you'll have a chance to have all your previous expectations shattered by greatness.

PC loyalists have such a confusing community. You guys claim you have the best of everything, but then prove with posts like these that you are missing out on the main thing that matters the most; the industries most awe inspiring and unforgettable AAA game experiences, which usually happen to be console exclusive...it happens EVERY generation.

Geez and you really thought Max Payne 3 was the benchmark for 3rd person game animations in 2019?

Max Payne 3 animations are honestly PS2 level, Yikes! So much for the master race.

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#46 dxmcat
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got the best movies, you win.

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Max Payne 3 was a very boring game. Almost didn't finished it

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#48 BoxRekt
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@dxmcat said:

got the best movies, you win.

And PC got the best shovelware, guess it's a tie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Third-person game? lol. Third-person shooter? It's definitely pretty damn good.

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#50 dxmcat
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@boxrekt said:
@dxmcat said:

got the best movies, you win.

And PC got the best shovelware, guess it's a tie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't say anything about PC now did I.