Is Uncharted 4 better looking than Star Citizen?

@gpuking said:

@neobone2 said:

@gpuking said:

@neobone2 said:

@gpuking said:

Way to take it out of context son, you sorely misunderstood me. I was referring to this zoomed in picture from earlier, forgive me for not being specific.

in game zoomed in

cutscene

See, the in game model has no depth, no SSS, lacking skin shaders, no stands of beard, no hair rendering to save on rendering budget, the difference is a galaxy apart.

This is a placeholder character is it really hard for you to understand?

EVERY character in SC Alpha looks like this guy in the first image.

EVERY player has this character.

I perfectly understand it's placeholder therefore UC4 looks better, how hard is it for you to understand? Also don't think even the final build would match the cutscene quality not without a drastic change in lighting engine, adding more dynamic lights, increasing memory budget to store LODs, increasing shader budget for hair rendering, more shaders and higher quality post processing. I'dwager the final model would not differ much at all from the placeholder in terms of rendering quality.

Its a PC game, made for the next gen GPUs "Polaris" and "Pascal" not a PS4 game.

The new GPUs have already almost ten times more teraflops then the PS4 GPU 1.84 teraflop, AMD Polaris over 10 teraflop.

No, it's made for a gtx 680 back then and it certainly wont require a 10tf gpu to run it not if CIG still wants to sell some copies. You really don't understand how game development and engine optimization work do you.

No, is made for next gen. Chris Roberts has ALWAYS made his games for next gen hardware.

You could in the 90's not run a Wing Commander game in ultra settings without a new high end computer.

btw. a PC has graphics options, you can scale the graphics down for a low range system with a 680GTX.

Looks like Star Citizen won; unjustly, but still, votes are votes.

And lets add on to this:

Ryse, UC4....these are small maps in heavily restricted areas which the character can move around in.

Star Citizen can go from a face just as detailed, out to an entire solar system, and no loading screens.

So why would you throw in that he "allegedly" has a racist wife in the subject for no reason?

@x-ray: Didn't you know, only close up shots of faces in cinematics count in these threads. Outside of that they have no ammunition to fight the battle.

Because he's trolling by quoting Derek Smart

It was former (multiple) employees who claimed this, as well as bullying and homophobia. Derek Smart mainly complained about the game not being on schedule.

A persons political and social perspective can effect production. e.g. If she made Starwars The Empire would probably be the good guys, James Earl Jones wouldn't voice Darth Vader and Lando (probably) would be executed, horribly.

By comparison, Lucas made Mace Windu a core character with a special light-saber. His wife was also black.

Note: Affect

>All these serious replies

Impressive

Hahahahahahahahha, are you serious???? You can't be serious??

You basically threw that comment in as a shot at someone, but don't pretend that it has anything to do with the thread topic.

Also, it's "affect" production. ie. "It affected production".

Effect should be used like this. ie. "It had an effect on production".

why is this shit allowed

What does this have to do with the topic? And what does the race of George Lucas's current wife have to do with any of that?

@GarGx1: For the sake of clarity, everything, including environments and scale is included.

Uuuuuhaaaa, I did a little digging in the person you quoted, and as it turns out seems she's a liar, and not even a journalist , also a very bad Blogger. Is this you by any chance? :

Lizzy Finnegan

https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/650617503450841088

That's the fallout and much has been deleted from the Tweet's , but you get it.

Got lit up on Twitter, now you're trying to get a little recourse ?

I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

ITT - the same old people unable to understand that art direction and technical horsepower are actually completely different things.

@neobone2: "OMG, have you ever heard of switch between cutscenes and ingame scenes in a game?

Your first image is a interactive cutscene, its the same technique which Until Dawn uses in the game.

And the second picture of SC is from a demo which was created in ONE WEEK, just for the demonstration of the gameplay in the Squadron 42 Singleplayer campaign."

Have you played Until Dawn. You can can zoom on the faces during gameplay and there is no loss in quality compared to interactive cutscene.

@ktseymour said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@GarGx1: For the sake of clarity, everything, including environments and scale is included.

Uuuuuhaaaa, I did a little digging in the person you quoted, and as it turns out seems she's a liar, and not even a journalist , also a very bad Blogger. Is this you by any chance? :

Lizzy Finnegan

https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/650617503450841088

That's the fallout and much has been deleted from the Tweet's , but you get it.

Got lit up on Twitter, now you're trying to get a little recourse ?

TL;DR Version, failed game developer Derek Smart made up trucklaods of garbage about SC because he has a 20 year long jealous feud with Chris Roberts, tries to publish fake article about the game. Only The Escapist bites, gets them into a legal hot mess because it's all false.

I wonder how many people bashing Star Citizen have actually played it. 10 minutes in the persistent universe shows off fairly well where the 100 million went.

Highest production levels in any game I've ever played and the beta is more fun than most full games.

Oh and I'm playing it on a 5 year old laptop with a 660m that doesn't meet minimum requirements, and the game runs silky smooth, in beta.

There's nothing anyone can say from a logical perspective to discredit the game as it's already better than anything there ever has been in terms of overall experience, atmosphere, animations, immersion etc. Unless you've spent time with Star Citizen you have no idea what it really is like.

Something I've noticed from the latest Squadron 42 build, the game doesn't even have volumetric lighting or fog. KZSF a launch title managed to have all of them with Area lights even, show me a hanger bay that has lighting and fog effects like these.

Oh and let's see if it comes anywhere near the concept art like quality that's in UC4.

@gpuking said:

Something I've noticed from the latest Squadron 42 build, the game doesn't even have volumetric lighting or fog. KZSF a launch title managed to have all of them with Area lights even, show me a hanger bay that has lighting and fog effects like these.

Oh and let's see if it comes anywhere near the concept art like quality that's in UC4.

You were saying?

LOL those pics you posted are suppose to look better? At least reply when you're sober zee.

^ ^ LOL, dude is on drugs if he really thinks the GTA and Crysis 2 looks better than Uncharted 4. Talk about blind fanboyism.

Those screenshots he posted look incredibly shitty

Either on heavy dose or mentally retarded lol, that's why I hardly ever reply him.

Not only is Star Citizen technologically superior in terms of visual tech but also in terms of scale and ambition. People seem to forget or simply don't know that there are ship's in Star Citizen that have more polygons than a single AAA game.

Watch in 1080p60FPS (movie is 5 months old and has outdated animations (walking, running, head-bob were improved in recent builds)

Star Citizen is without a doubt probably the most "technically" impressive game to date.

However, I watched the video, what is "beautiful" about the very steril setting of Star Citizen? Also the character animations are HORRIBLE lol at the shadow running animation, surely you aren't including that into your glowing speel about SC's technical impressiveness because UC4's animation craps on it.

Being technically more demanding or ambitious doesn't make a game beautiful or graphically more impressive it just means it's producing more demanding graphics under the hood. You hermits need to learn the difference between these things because that's why you guys always make silly claimed that have nothing to do with what game "looks" better.

You can't "see" a game being more technically demanding even tho we can all understand what's being done is more technically impressive, it doesn't always LOOK more impressive. Learn to separate your arguments of technically impressiveness vs aesthetically/visually pleasing because one thing doesn't = the other hermits.

the irony. Yup, open in new tab and tell me it doesn't. :D Funny thing is your precious exclusive doesn't look any better that's why all the cows till now have just posted the closeup character faces from the cutscenes.

INB4 the made up cross gen/current excuse.

@gpuking: So you ignore my point about charcter models and decide to go to somethng else?

gg.

When's UC4 getting a damage modelling on the level of SC?.

Show more impressive explosion effects.

Show me better metalic textures.

Well, actually DF agrees with me. Awwwwwwww yeahhhhhhhhhh................

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

Now obviously, I wouldn't take your word for it since you believe KZ:SF revolutionized the realtime rendering by using ray-tracingzzzz or Naughty Duds who said PS3 had no limits only to downgrade just four times in a row.

If you re-check the post I edited it to explain some stuff more in-depth and remove the word beauty because its entirely subjective so it was wrong to use it. Yes animations are outdated on that video, since it was about showcasing graphics I shared. Movement animations are not final and are being improved with several stages of movement from walking really slow to normal walk, jogging, running and sprinting.

Also there's nothing wrong with shadows/lightning , in fact it's one of CryEngine best features.

What the hell are you talking about now? What latest Squadron 42 build?

@arunsunk: Difficult to argue with this.

@deadline-zero0 said:

@gpuking: So you ignore my point about charcter models and decide to go to somethng else?

gg.

When's UC4 getting a damage modelling on the level of SC?.

Show more impressive explosion effects.

Show me better metalic textures.

You'll probably just get more screens of character models and animations since that's all they really have against star citizen.

Why are there so few gameplay shots of UC4? I mean behind the shoulder and/or with a heads up display? The 2 or 3 there are it looks worse than RotTR on PC.

@wis3boi said:

@ktseymour said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@GarGx1: For the sake of clarity, everything, including environments and scale is included.

Uuuuuhaaaa, I did a little digging in the person you quoted, and as it turns out seems she's a liar, and not even a journalist , also a very bad Blogger. Is this you by any chance? :

Lizzy Finnegan

https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/650617503450841088

That's the fallout and much has been deleted from the Tweet's , but you get it.

Got lit up on Twitter, now you're trying to get a little recourse ?

TL;DR Version, failed game developer Derek Smart made up trucklaods of garbage about SC because he has a 20 year long jealous feud with Chris Roberts, tries to publish fake article about the game. Only The Escapist bites, gets them into a legal hot mess because it's all false.

What a shame people stoop to this level, and the fact that the OP felt the need to throw this in the original post ...

Well, whatever lol The person's a nutter, but the world would be pretty boring without nutter's .

@zeeshanhaider: Don't do drugs kid. They are messing with your reality. There is absolutely no way in God's green Earth that GTA V and Crysis 2 even on PC look as good as Uncharted. Higher resolution and higher fps can't hide dated geometry and terrible looking foliage.

This reminds me of idiots lastgen that continued to maintain that Half Life 2 looked better than KIllzone 2 despite evidence of the contrary.

Yes...........UC4 on PS4 looks a lot better.

PS4>>>>>>>>>>PC.

Modded Crysis 1 and Skyrim still hold up with today's games thanks to the their modding community.

Why? Maybe coz it's not out yet? You just can't screen capture them from YT feeds due to heavy compression idiot. HUD can also be turned on or off so don't think the HUDless pic doesn't represent gameplay. ROTR looked dated compared to UC4 period.

So again it all boils down to how much polygons a character model is sporting compared to the actual tech. Let me remind you we are not comparing art-direction. We are comparing technical graphics and apart from UC4 using higher polygonsand better animationsnothing it had that trounces either GTA V or Crysis 2. Can you name a single tech that UC4 had over either of these games? Yeah, didn't think so.

Oh and do tell me with a straight face that UC4 indeed look a generation better than these games on PC. The foliage is indeed better in Crysis 2 and GTV V.

Only people on drugs on this board are cows that think their plastic box powered by tablet CPU and GPU barely matching a 570 from 2010 can produce graphics that could rival the best of PC's or output some crazy alien tech.

From what I see, Star Citizen appears to be about some male mannequins in space looking for their missing joints. Whereas Uncharted is about women in tight pants.

Take your pick.

Well, that's a trend with all the Sony exclusives thus far and you won't see cows ever post the gameplay screens for any of their supposed graphics king. lel.

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

Are you saying that DF is lying and we should trust your word over theirs?

Yea I mean cmon. Enough with the stupid cutscene screenshots.

I know SC looks how it does cause I can play it myself.

Can't say the same for countless UC4 shots, where ND has a consistent track record of downgrading from "preview shots" to finished product.

At this point SC doesn't even have the best graphics tech since it's missing a lot of graphic features such as volumetric lighting, volumetric fog, skin deformation, SSS, advanced hair rendering and shading, inconsistent cutscene to gameplay quality, less environmental destruction. The only thing it does better is being open world and a couple of high poly ships. Yes it takes a great deal of resource on open world gameplay and interaction I get that, but visual is visual, it simply doesn't have enough graphics tech nor does it look better on screen than UC4. Whether in character models, environment detail or epic set pieces UC4 easily outmatches it.

And still not a single gameplay shot from cows, pathetic. Such a shame even in its third year Sony's console is still failed to reach a bar set by Crysis 2 from 2011 and its biggest title is a 900p failure.

I don't think UC4 looks better than RotTR maxed on PC from what I've seen of it so far, particularly the actual gameplay.

@zeeshanhaider: still trying to troll?

Where did I troll? Or DF was trolling as well?

My god this is just rich.

A. Watch Pupil to Planet and Oldman Teaser - seriously you guys don't seem to watch anything and just talk about screenshots.

B. They will use TressFX/Purehair, this is old news keep up.

C. You keep going between SP cutscenes and generic multiplayer models. I posted a UC4 shot earlier and the quality was so poor compared to SP cutscenes/cinematics it wasn't even funny.

D. SC is a space-sim where the ships are the primary environment and they have already shown advanced vehicular damage and dynamic explosions.

This is an explosion you posted:

This is a SC explosion video somebody else posted:

StarCitizen is much more impressive here without any doubt.

Deny it all you want it doesn't change the fact that SC is much more impressive in a lot of areas than UC4.