Is Nintendo afraid of competitive multiplayer?

Maybe a bit strange thread, still, I think the subject is a interesting one.

With the Wii, they created a platform with a broad appeal, but this broad appeal also includes "adjusting" the games for a broader audience.

This includes the multi-player part of the games, which also has to be designed so newcommer don't get "scared away".

With Wii U, they use much of similar philosophies but still don't seem to make it clear what they are going for.

The "easy to pick up, hard to master" philosophy is a great one, but it seems it's not sufficient.

So arguments from both "sides" have to be taken into consideration - those wanting a greater challenge and those wanting more "fairness".

This is evident in the approach they are taking in several games they are making.

Still, some recent moves make me think the "competitive spirit" is not really being a priority.

The supposed "withdrawal" of SSB. from EVO, for instance.

The hesitation to make more online-centric or online enabled games.

The hesistation to revive the franchises or to make the type of games which could have some really tense and competitive multi-player modes. (e.g. Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid Hunters, ect.)

I think all these things are connected to each other.

I do hope games like Smash 4 and MK8 find a good "balance" and bring back some of the competitive MP glory from SNES and N64 times.

But I think more than that is needed to make their new system a "party machine" again. (in the traditional sense of the word, not the current association)

tl;dr - I'm arguing about how "teh casuals" are holding back Nintendo from "unleashing" their full potential again, but at the same time not seeing that they have little care for them now and what their fan-base actually wants.

Discuss. ;)

No they just lazy

Right now Nintendo is in comfort zone because of Wii and DS success, unlike Sony

That's why they cared less about their customers, if not for other reason they neglect online multiplayer and third party support?

Multiplayer is cheap overrated bs gameplay. The whole spawn kill die over and over mechanic is garbage. Maybe if I had the attention span of a spider monkey I'd like it more. Personally I think the internet is the worst thing to happen to gaming. While a lot of developers are getting greedy trying to cash in with DLC and microtransations it's good to know some aren't. I just have to sort through a lot of games to find the ones that aren't rip offs. It's good to know there are still developers out there that don't feel the need to tack on multiplayer.

Multiplayer is cheap overrated bs gameplay.

jdc6305

That's opinion.

I'd agree not every game needs MP, still, a well-made MP-centric game can be just as engrossing (or more) than a well-made SP-centric one.

>Nintendo is afraid of Competitive Multiplayer!

>Makes Mario Kart 7.

sound logic there OP.

Tatsunoko vs Capcom was my favourite capcom fighting game of this current gen and it was a wii exclusive

Tatsunoko vs Capcom was my favourite capcom fighting game and it was a wii exclusive

Raziel831991

It also wasn't Nintendo.

Just because a game appears on a System doesn't make it Nintendo.

Multiplayer is cheap overrated bs gameplay. The whole spawn kill die over and over mechanic is garbage. Maybe if I had the attention span of a spider monkey I'd like it more. Personally I think the internet is the worst thing to happen to gaming. While a lot of developers are getting greedy trying to cash in with DLC and microtransations it's good to know some aren't. I just have to sort through a lot of games to find the ones that aren't rip offs. It's good to know there are still developers out there that don't feel the need to tack on multiplayer.

jdc6305

The only thing Nintendo seems to be afraid of is effort.

Afraid of releasing mature games for their mature audience as wellsilversix_

Nintendo is just afraid of the internet.

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

Raziel831991

Yes, it's all the customers fault that they don't want the same companies are offering.

That's the way it goes. Its up to us customers to buy what the companies want to sell us not the other way around.

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

Raziel831991

I don't undestand this argument.

The Resident Evil games on NGC had all what you describe yet were successful.

I'm not sure why Nintendo would have to exclude these type of games from their system.

Not all type of games appeal to all tastes...

Also, you missed the point of the thread.

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The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

DocSanchez

Yes, it's all the customers fault that they don't want the same companies are offering.

That's the way it goes. Its up to us customers to buy what the companies want to sell us not the other way around.

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

nameless12345

I don't undestand this argument.

The Resident Evil games on NGC had all what you describe yet were successful.

I'm not sure why Nintendo would have to exclude these type of games from their system.

Not all type of games appeal to all tastes...

Also, you missed the point of the thread.

I thought people were talking in this thread about games made by Nintendo itself. Resident Evil is not made by Nintendo. Also my post was directed towards posts like the ones silversix_ did on this tread.

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[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

Raziel831991

Yes, it's all the customers fault that they don't want the same companies are offering.

That's the way it goes. Its up to us customers to buy what the companies want to sell us not the other way around.

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

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[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

The problem is that people nowadays think every game that does not have guns, gore and lots of grey sucks by default and Nintendo does not make any of those "lolgrimdark" games. As long as gamers keep being so insecure of their manliness and maturity, Nintendo will eventually be in a really bad situation.

Raziel831991

I don't undestand this argument.

The Resident Evil games on NGC had all what you describe yet were successful.

I'm not sure why Nintendo would have to exclude these type of games from their system.

Not all type of games appeal to all tastes...

Also, you missed the point of the thread.

I thought people were talking in this thread about games made by Nintendo itself. Resident Evil is not made by Nintendo

I think we can include games made by Nintendo-owned studios and exclusive 3rd party partners as Nintendo games.

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[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

Yes, it's all the customers fault that they don't want the same companies are offering.

 

That's the way it goes. Its up to us customers to buy what the companies want to sell us not the other way around.

DocSanchez

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

Companies make their strategies depending on what consumers buy.

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[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

Raziel831991

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

Companies make their strategies depending on what consumers buy.

And what is the logical conclusion of that? That a failing company is failing because of their own choices and cannot whinge and cry about the choices the customers are making.

Nintendo are in the position they are in with the Wii U because of their decisions, their choices, their fault.

Multiplayer is cheap overrated bs gameplay. The whole spawn kill die over and over mechanic is garbage. Maybe if I had the attention span of a spider monkey I'd like it more. Personally I think the internet is the worst thing to happen to gaming. While a lot of developers are getting greedy trying to cash in with DLC and microtransations it's good to know some aren't. I just have to sort through a lot of games to find the ones that aren't rip offs. It's good to know there are still developers out there that don't feel the need to tack on multiplayer.

jdc6305

Um, you don't seem to know how things work. It's usually the publisher, not the developer, that likes to push and milk games with tacked on multiplayer and dlc. While it is sometimes the developers choice, quite often they are pushed into it by the publisher (after all, it's the publisher that pays the devs bills, so what the publisher says, goes)

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[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

 

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

DocSanchez

Companies make their strategies depending on what consumers buy.

And what is the logical conclusion of that? That a failing company is failing because of their own choices and cannot whinge and cry about the choices the customers are making.

Nintendo are in the position they are in with the Wii U because of their decisions, their choices, their fault.

The logical conclusion is that the gaming industry is in a terrible situation thanks to consumers. Thanks to consumers the industry is currently oversaturated with generic shooters, since companies do not have to try anymore, make a call of duty or gears of war clone and will have a product that will be comercially succesful no matter how terrible it might. And whats funny is that people think the Multiplater Call of Duty clones have are "competitive" lol.

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[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

Companies make their strategies depending on what consumers buy.

Raziel831991

And what is the logical conclusion of that? That a failing company is failing because of their own choices and cannot whinge and cry about the choices the customers are making.

Nintendo are in the position they are in with the Wii U because of their decisions, their choices, their fault.

The logical conclusion is that the gaming industry is in a terrible situation thanks to consumers. Thanks to consumers the industry is currently oversaturated with generic shooters, since companies do not have to try anymore, make a call of duty or gears of war clone and will have a product that will be comercially succesful no matter how terrible it might. And whats funny is that people think the Multiplater Call of Duty clones have are "competitive" lol.

It's not in a terrible condition. People like the games that are coming out and there has never been so much diversity. You just don't like the most popular ones. I've got news for you: You are not the centre of the universe. Continue whinging about Nintendo not being on top any more. They're still bringing out the five games of doom for you don't worry. In the meantime I'll enjoy gaming and don't care about COD existing because I don't have to play it.

Nintendo is responsible for Mario Party, aka destroyer of friendships. So no.

Slashkice

[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

Yes, it's all the customers fault that they don't want the same companies are offering.

 

That's the way it goes. Its up to us customers to buy what the companies want to sell us not the other way around.

DocSanchez

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

Nintendo is responsible for Mario Party, aka destroyer of friendships. So no.

Slashkice

who the hell argues over mario party ? da fudge ?? :| i mean i understand monopoly which has high potential to cheat and screw people... but mario party ? really?

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[QUOTE="Raziel831991"]

Call of Duty and Gears of war are pure garbage that were successful due to consumers having shit taste in games

Zen_Light

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

This is system wars.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

 

Or alternatively they are games you just don't like, which is a complete irrelevance. You're a bitter nintendo fan who is upset people aren't fans like you are and think, in all honesty, that the customers are wrong not the company for their strategy.

DocSanchez

This is system wars.

Multiplayer is cheap overrated bs gameplay. The whole spawn kill die over and over mechanic is garbage. Maybe if I had the attention span of a spider monkey I'd like it more. Personally I think the internet is the worst thing to happen to gaming. While a lot of developers are getting greedy trying to cash in with DLC and microtransations it's good to know some aren't. I just have to sort through a lot of games to find the ones that aren't rip offs. It's good to know there are still developers out there that don't feel the need to tack on multiplayer.

jdc6305

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]And yet you're the one calling people names on a gaming forum. Who's really the bitter one? You are for behaving this way.

Zen_Light

This is system wars.

Just have on topic discussions and weave your attacks into the conversation like everyone else around here.

Um... no. Their entire lineup of games that offer same-room multiplayer have been cause of many fights between myself and friends throughout the years.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

This is system wars.

DocSanchez

Just have on topic discussions and weave your attacks into the conversation like everyone else around here.

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[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]What do you like, so I can attack your preferences?

Zen_Light

Just have on topic discussions and weave your attacks into the conversation like everyone else around here.

A coward? Jesus christ what is this a gladitorial arena? You want me to list all the things I like just so you can run them down and because I wont do your homework or rise to your childish bollocks, I'm a "coward"? :lol::lol:

Grow up.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

Just have on topic discussions and weave your attacks into the conversation like everyone else around here.

DocSanchez

A coward? Jesus christ what is this a gladitorial arena? You want me to list all the things I like just so you can run them down and because I wont do your homework or rise to your childish bollocks, I'm a "coward"? :lol::lol:

Grow up.

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]Don't be a coward who hides behind anonymity and takes shots at people without displaying your vulnerabilities. Also, this is System Wars, as you so astutely wrote, but not fan wars.

Zen_Light

A coward? Jesus christ what is this a gladitorial arena? You want me to list all the things I like just so you can run them down and because I wont do your homework or rise to your childish bollocks, I'm a "coward"? :lol::lol:

Grow up.

 I'm not a troll, I'm certainly not a coward, because this is an internet forum, and as for fanboy? I game on every system except Nintendo. I think Nintendo derserves the scorn I give it. If you don't like it, or my rhetoric, don't come on system wars. 

I could go on with the ad hominem attacks like you have but essentially what you are is a blank. A nothing. Some typing on a screen. You're not important to me, and you mean nothing to me. Carry on your tantrum.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

 

A coward? Jesus christ what is this a gladitorial arena? You want me to list all the things I like just so you can run them down and because I wont do your homework or rise to your childish bollocks, I'm a "coward"? :lol::lol:

Grow up.

DocSanchez

 I'm not a troll, I'm certainly not a coward, because this is an internet forum, and as for fanboy? I game on every system except Nintendo. I think Nintendo derserves the scorn I give it. If you don't like it, or my rhetoric, don't come on system wars. 

I could go on with the ad hominem attacks like you have but essentially what you are is a blank. A nothing. Some typing on a screen. You're not important to me, and you mean nothing to me. Carry on your tantrum.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="DocSanchez"]

 

A coward? Jesus christ what is this a gladitorial arena? You want me to list all the things I like just so you can run them down and because I wont do your homework or rise to your childish bollocks, I'm a "coward"? :lol::lol:

Grow up.

DocSanchez

 I'm not a troll, I'm certainly not a coward, because this is an internet forum, and as for fanboy? I game on every system except Nintendo. I think Nintendo derserves the scorn I give it. If you don't like it, or my rhetoric, don't come on system wars. 

I could go on with the ad hominem attacks like you have but essentially what you are is a blank. A nothing. Some typing on a screen. You're not important to me, and you mean nothing to me. Carry on your tantrum.

The supposed "withdrawal" of SSB. from EVO, for instance.

nameless12345

The logical conclusion is that the gaming industry is in a terrible situation thanks to consumers. Thanks to consumers the industry is currently oversaturated with generic shooters, since companies do not have to try anymore, make a call of duty or gears of war clone and will have a product that will be comercially succesful no matter how terrible it might. And whats funny is that people think the Multiplater Call of Duty clones have are "competitive" lol.

Raziel831991

Companies trying to replicate the success of whatever's successful at the time is nothing new - it's been in the gaming industry for the beginning, and shooters have always been a big genre ever since Doom came out. There's a reason the term "Doom clone" exists.

Afraid of releasing mature games for their mature audience as wellsilversix_

Tatsunoko vs Capcom was my favourite capcom fighting game of this current gen and it was a wii exclusive

Raziel831991

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Tatsunoko vs Capcom was my favourite capcom fighting game of this current gen and it was a wii exclusive

timbers_WSU

Well of the three 1st party developers, Nintendo offers the highest legitimate challenge in their single player games, however you do make a point about their multiplayer. The developers behind Smash Bros. seem determined on making it a party game and Mario Kart's always been a little too luck based for my liking. However the Pokemon scene remains very competitive.

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Tatsunoko vs Capcom was my favourite capcom fighting game of this current gen and it was a wii exclusive

nini200