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#51 Master_ShakeXXX
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Maybe well presented and good, but how the fvck is it revolutionary? It hasn't seemed to change anything in the actual storytelling department.

Comparing it to the greats like Half Life 2 and Bioshock is unfavourable

OB-47

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

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#52 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

I just...I....people are really this clueless...they really are....how awful....

speedfreak48t5p

Search your feelings young rob, for you know it to be true. Black Ops 2's campaign is the highpoint of FPS storytelling this generation. The way it seamlessly integrates it's deep choice system amongst the chaos and suffering of the franchise's most memorable story is one of colossal success. Black Ops 2 is a benchmark in interactive storytelling. Don't let the hate obscure what you know in your heart.

:lol: Not sure if serious

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#53 JangoWuzHere
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The people that are bashing Black Ops 2...have they actually played it?

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#54 Lief_Ericson
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The people that are bashing Black Ops 2...have they actually played it?

JangoWuzHere
No just a bunch of bandwagoners who hate on it for being "shallow" yet jump all over **** like The Avengers
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#55 FireSpirit117
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"Remarkable storytelling" in the context of COD is already a failled concept from the get-go.
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#56 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Maybe well presented and good, but how the fvck is it revolutionary? It hasn't seemed to change anything in the actual storytelling department.

Comparing it to the greats like Half Life 2 and Bioshock is unfavourable

Master_ShakeXXX

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

^Did not play Fallout 1, 2, or damn any decent RPG.

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#57 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Maybe well presented and good, but how the fvck is it revolutionary? It hasn't seemed to change anything in the actual storytelling department.

Comparing it to the greats like Half Life 2 and Bioshock is unfavourable

Master_ShakeXXX

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

I'm not quite sure if unwittingly burning Michael Rooker's face or avoiding it constitutes revolution. The choices in this game are quite shallow. It's Mass Effect-lite.
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#58 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Maybe well presented and good, but how the fvck is it revolutionary? It hasn't seemed to change anything in the actual storytelling department.

Comparing it to the greats like Half Life 2 and Bioshock is unfavourable

OB-47

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

^Did not play Fallout 1, 2, or damn any decent RPG.

Who is talking about RPGs? He is talking about shooters...
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#59 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Maybe well presented and good, but how the fvck is it revolutionary? It hasn't seemed to change anything in the actual storytelling department.

Comparing it to the greats like Half Life 2 and Bioshock is unfavourable

FrozenLiquid

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

I'm not quite sure if unwittingly burning Michael Rooker's face or avoiding it constitutes revolution. The choices in this game are quite shallow. It's Mass Effect-lite.

For an FPS of the type it's pretty much unprecedented. I thought the choice system here was a lot more interesting than it was in Mass Effect.

I really like the idea of implementing choice into the gameplay and not making it pronounced. Hopefully they expand on it in the next Black Ops or whatever Treyarch makes.

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#60 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

JangoWuzHere

^Did not play Fallout 1, 2, or damn any decent RPG.

Who is talking about RPGs? He is talking about shooters...

Fallout: New Vegas, then?
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#61 SPYDER0416
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People here give CoD a bad rap because of some mistakes it's made or because they don't like the series or whatever, but Black Ops II really does put a foot forward for the series.

I think that while zombies and multiplayer stagnate a bit, the campaign finally feels like far more than just a tutorial. It surpasses every other Call of Duty in sheer scope and ambition, with far more focus on the writing, much more in the way of freedom throughout the levels, and small touches like the access kit and weapon loadouts really shake things up, while the set pieces and focus on jumping between time periods makes it the most varied one to date as well.

Every Call of Duty campaign from the very first Call of Duty campaign have been linear, set piece focused affairs without much depth, and while BOII isn't particularly deep it is the deepest and most fun single player CoD yet. Multiplayer, well, it could be better but it's still fun. I can see myself replaying it several times because some of these choices are really awesome and tend to affect the story in some neat ways, while I also see myself experimenting with different loadouts for different levels.

Personally I think there are a few more things the series could do. The first Call of Duty game let me take a pistol separate to two main weapons instead of somehow keeping pistol and rifles in the same holster, while select fire should be something every weapon has (or doesn't have) instead of being an attachment I have to add on, but let's not bugger flies. I think the loadout system is great enough, but it really would make sense to bring back the three weapon system to add use to the pistols so I don't always replace them with a larger and more powerful secondary.

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#62 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

It changed how we look at storytelling in first person shooters. No longer do they have to be these tediously linear and cinematic treks down a predetermined path. Now we can change the course of the journey. That is why it is remarkable. That is why it's revolutionary.

JangoWuzHere

^Did not play Fallout 1, 2, or damn any decent RPG.

Who is talking about RPGs? He is talking about shooters...

So it takes some inspiration from RPGs then. I don't see how it's revolutionary even in the context of shooters really.

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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

^Did not play Fallout 1, 2, or damn any decent RPG.

PannicAtack
Who is talking about RPGs? He is talking about shooters...

Fallout: New Vegas, then?

Deus Ex. /argument
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#64 Primordialous
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Who cares? It's still a skilless shooter aimed at casuals

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That could not have been stated any better.

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#65 campzor
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People played BLOPS 2 SP?MonsieurX
theres a blops 2 sp?
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#66 LittleMac19
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Half Life is better than all of them
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#67 Primordialous
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Half Life is better than all of themLittleMac19

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#68 GrayF0X786
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still aint touched the SP