Intel Core 2 Quad VS PS3's Cell

Which is better?

I have always wondered which is stronger

I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.

I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

It will all change with Nehalem later though.

I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

you know which is stronger this thread smells like weak flamebait to me Thebettertwin

Agree. Plus, this discussion could never accomplish anything.

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.Thebettertwin

are you serious???

Out of order Processor >>> crippled in order processor that isn't even for gaming.-wii60-

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.Thebettertwin

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

Which is better?

I have always wondered which is stronger

Painballz

The cell has more gigaflops but the C2Q is better for gaming. The cell is like a hybrid GPU and CPU and its not that good at either.

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.Thebettertwin

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Cell? probably beaten by any dual core released in the last 3 years.

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

That is because PC ports to console are nearly always crippled :| and consoles are always the same, pc games have to run on multiple set up types. I don't buy into Sony's hype and numbers, Im going with the new tech thanks.

The best answer anyone can give you is that there is no answer this question.

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

Thats because the cell doesnt have 7 cores it has 7 spus which are not the same thing

The best answer anyone can give you is that there is no answer this question.

Teufelhuhn

I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.

catlin_czirr

Its 8 and 7 usable. One of them is a regular CPU and the rest are stream processors (just ALU's basically, same thing GPU's use). The one real regular CPU is a weak in order processor. Overall the cell much more powerful then a normal CPU at doing floating point math (but its not even close to a GPU) and much weaker at general purpose code. It has the advantage that the SPU's can be used for post processing effects but you cant multithread the game engine (except for sound and physics I believe) because the SPU's dont run general purpose cod well (if at all). If programmed right it can be great but this is quite hard as has been stated many times by devs. The two CPU's are way to different to be compared but as a programmer I would much rather use a C2Q.

One of them is a regular CPU and the rest are stream processors (just ALU's basically, same thing GPU's use). Wartzay

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"][QUOTE="catlin_czirr"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"][QUOTE="catlin_czirr"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

the size of the heatsink has nothing to do with how fast the cpu is. all that means is cell puts off a more heat and needs the extra cooling. the cell chip in the ps3 was not made for general cpu use. so in a real world test im sure a quad at lower clock speeds would smoke the ps3 cell just because of improper optimization.

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"][QUOTE="catlin_czirr"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

yes thats because the games have to be optimised to run on many different pcs you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because there is no way the cell > quad core

Um 7 of those 8 cores can only be used for floating point math and not general purpose code. Clock speed is useless when comparing different arechtechutres. That heatsink is for both the CPU and GPU and you my CPU heatsink is much bigger then that.

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.pieatorium

are you serious???

Cell? probably beaten by any dual core released in the last 3 years.

Actually going to call self ownage here i'd never actually looked into the cell i just assumed it was Sony hype, apparrently its quite the beast of a processor, i just assumed it wouldn't be because my 2 year old PC outperforms the consoles in game qaulity.

Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2catlin_czirr

ya like he said completely different

Most pcs run for 32-64bit os. The ps2 was 128bit, so i'm wondering what ps3 is? Surely the bit rate determines the power?oldvander

i dont believe thats the case anymore

Most pcs run for 32-64bit os. The ps2 was 128bit, so i'm wondering what ps3 is? Surely the bit rate determines the power?oldvander

Um 7 of those 8 cores can only be used for floating point math and not general purpose code. Wartzay

it depends on what u want it to do.

the cell is a number cruncher...and it is very very very good at it. at the mo theres no two ways about it, a cell will out number crunch any high end PC s CPU..it just loves to chew through sheer abouts of data. folding at home is evidence of this....with PS3s making a huge contribution in a relatively shrot space of time. the cell can also do a better job at graphics (which basically boils down to sheer number crunching) compared to a core 2 quad. the only PC component that can out number cruch a cell is a GPU....an 8800)) or a HD 3870 will beat seven shades of crap out of the cell in a number crunching race.

however.....the core 2 quad is a far more flexible piece of kit and is far better at making decisions compared to the cell. its better at scheduling and rescheduling its time based on changing demands also. its also a very capable number cruncher in its own right (anythign that can do crysis physics diserves kudos).

which would i choose for games? well if i was to build a dedicated machine that could only have a CPU then i would choose the cell. it can do a better job at graphics and its abilites in terms of AI and all that is adequate.

however a PC is a very different kettle of fish compared to a console. a PCs cpu is not optimized for graphics and sheer number crunching because it doesent need to be...flexibility is more important in the PCs enviroenment. the GPU does alot more graphics work on PC compared to a console. having something like the cell in a PC as it is now wouldnt bring any major benefit to it.

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.lettuceman44

It will all change with Nehalem later though.

Yes this is true, PC had Folding@home first, but what is true aswell is that my PC a quad core is being crushed by cell-running PS3's in process-performance. It's simply a amazing piece of hardware when it's put into full performance with programs such as Folding@home.

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]Remember guys that consoles are different than PC's, the original XBOX has I think a 733mhz CPU and ran games like Doom 3 and Half-life 2xfactor19990

ya like he said completely different

That example was wrong. The Xbox uses a 733 MHz PIII which is a PC cpu. It only ran Half Life and Doom 3 at massivily lowered resolutions (640x480), much smaller textures, and no shaders at all (the GF2 in the Xbox used fixed function shaders).

Edit: This is what a big heatsink looks like.

That example was wrong. The Xbox uses a 733 MHz PIII which is a PC cpu. It only ran Half Life and Doom 3 at massivily lowered resolutions (640x480), much smaller textures, and no shaders at all (the GF2 in the Xbox used fixed function shaders).

Wartzay

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

A Duo Core let alone quad is better gor gaming than the Cell....

[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

Um 7 of those 8 cores can only be used for floating point math and not general purpose code. Teufelhuhn

Yes I do I am a programmer myself. You are correct the SPE's can do some GPC but not much, just like GPU's. I was under the impression that only physics and graphics code is run on the SPE's because that mostly involves number crunching.

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

That explains it all, the SPE's are math processors and the PPE must set up its tasks. Just like the CPU sets up tasks for the GPU.

[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

That example was wrong. The Xbox uses a 733 MHz PIII which is a PC cpu. It only ran Half Life and Doom 3 at massivily lowered resolutions (640x480), much smaller textures, and no shaders at all (the GF2 in the Xbox used fixed function shaders).

Teufelhuhn

Dude a 733MHz P3 cannot run Doom 3 and Half Life 2 at high settings even if you are using a 8800. The GPU as a GF2 derivative and used fixed function shaders. HL2 used extrremely advanced physics for its day.

[QUOTE="oldvander"]Most pcs run for 32-64bit os. The ps2 was 128bit, so i'm wondering what ps3 is? Surely the bit rate determines the power?xfactor19990

i dont believe thats the case anymore

What does the bit rate do/what is it used for?

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.catlin_czirr

are you serious???

That's because currently no games, that I know of, support quad cores 100%.

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.MTBare

are you serious???

That's because currently no games, that I know of, support quad cores 100%.

That is, until Alan Wake comes out. Whenever it does...

Yes I do I am a programmer myself. Wartzay

That explains it all, the SPE's are math processors and the PPE must set up its tasks. Just like the CPU sets up tasks for the GPU. Wartzay

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[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]I believe the Cell has like 7 cores (6 usable) and IBM put like billions of dollars or something into develoing it, and the C2Q you can get for like $300 on newegg, also the Cell is uses to cure cancer and stuff (folding at home) so im gonna have to go with Cell.MTBare

are you serious???

That's because currently no games, that I know of, support quad cores 100%.

Supreme Commander comes close, but its limited by XP and Vista's still rather weak multi-core performance.

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[QUOTE="oldvander"]Most pcs run for 32-64bit os. The ps2 was 128bit, so i'm wondering what ps3 is? Surely the bit rate determines the power?oldvander

i dont believe thats the case anymore

What does the bit rate do/what is it used for?

Dude a 733MHz P3 cannot run Doom 3 and Half Life 2 at high settings even if you are using a 8800. . HL2 used extrremely advanced physics for its day.

Wartzay

The GPU as a GF2 derivative and used fixed function shaders

Wartzay