IGN - What Zelda can learn from Skyrim.

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#1 i3DS
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Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

3. A legendary story. (lolwut)

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

Thoughts?

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#2 DarkLink77
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I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

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#3 el3m2tigre
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I think Zelda is just fine. HD would be nice though.

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#4 Diviniuz
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lol @ the legendary story. Could zelda be anymore epic?
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#5 Gamingclone
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Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

3. A legendary story. (lolwut)

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

Thoughts?

i3DS

I believe Miyamoto said himself that he will never use Cinematic cutscenes. Unless I am miss understanding what Cinematic scope means

HD Zelda can only happen when the console it is on is HD capable. Which will happen sometime next year (the HD console I mean, a Wii U zelda probably wont happen until 2013 at the earliest)

Personally I like how they have the world set up the Zelda games.

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#6 Plagueless
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I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

DarkLink77
Why are they comparing Zelda, an adventure game, to Skyrim, an RPG anyway? HD will be nice Wii-U era. The only thing Im on the fence about in Zelda is voice-acting. Im just not sure whether the series really needs it, or if it would ruin it. But I do agree that Link should never talk. NPC voice actors only.
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#7 lbjkurono23
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Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

Thoughts?

i3DS

Agree on this three

Zelda is way to linear as an adventure game.

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#8 Sky-
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Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

3. A legendary story. (lolwut)

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

Thoughts?

i3DS

For the open world, I'd only want one if it had lots of things to do (TP tried this and failed). I'd rather have a smaller world that is densely packed with material.

Some customization is good, but I don't want it to be as extensive as an RPG like Skyrim. In Skyward Sword, I believe you can customize your shields (and maybe other items as well). That's good enough for me.

Zelda stories suck. I agree.

HD is the way to go.

They did a good job of being cinematic in TP, but I don't want it to be full of cutscenes like in certain other series.

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#9 Mr_Cumberdale
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[QUOTE="i3DS"]

Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

Thoughts?

lbjkurono23

Agree on this three

Zelda is way to linear as an adventure game.

I haven't played many Zelda games 'cept the N64 ones, but I thought they were open enough (like Hyrule Field). Personally I find huge worlds such as those in Fallout 3 and Oblivion to be dull.
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#10 BrunoBRS
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I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

DarkLink77
i'd say "no".
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#11 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="i3DS"]

Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

Thoughts?

Mr_Cumberdale

Agree on this three

Zelda is way to linear as an adventure game.

I haven't played many Zelda games 'cept the N64 ones, but I thought they were open enough (like Hyrule Field). Personally I find huge worlds such as those in Fallout 3 and Oblivion to be dull.

I'm not asking for giant worlds ala fallout/oblivion(that would get tiresome). How about adding secret dungeouns(optional to encourage exploration).

I always laughed when I read explore hyrule, it's one small sized land(hyrule field) conected to 7 tiny stages.

They really need to address that on the wiiu zelda games, I want to explore the world in a adventure game, not follow set path.

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I hate IGN sometimes.

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#13 Kickinurass
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Except for HD, this list is pretty lolworthy.

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#14 Chutebox  Online
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IGN is like Pachter, whatever they say, think the opposite.

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#15 Chutebox  Online
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Except for HD, this list is pretty lolworthy.

Kickinurass
That's the most "lol" worthy since the Wii can't do HD...so stupid to even put it on the list.
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#16 Shinobishyguy
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Aside from HD which his pretty much a given, most of that list is just "hey guys lets turn zelda into skyrim and pack it with cutscenes and cinematic setpieces (ie. fluff)"
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#17 VendettaRed07
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6) How to be unplayable on consoles from all glitches.

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#18 lbjkurono23
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The ign article is talking about a wiiu tittle, wich is capable of HD. Read the article peeps(or at least take a glance).

"There's no doubt that Zelda, for all its remarkable accomplishments and perfected methods of design, could try some new things as it prepares to move into an HD era"

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1. No

2. Clearly did not play Windwaker or Phantom Hourglass

3. Oblivion's story was NOT epic and Bethesda failed in FO3 so bad, they needed a DLC to fix it

4. Maybe, but i do not play Zelda games for graphhix

5. Wut?

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1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

i3DS

I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

DarkLink77

Hm, I think they're right with these suggestions. Voice acting needs to be added, too. Can't stick with the same old Zelda formula; Twilight Princess proved that this doesn't work.

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#21 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="i3DS"]

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

sammyjenkis898

I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

DarkLink77

Hm, I think they're right with these suggestions. Voice acting needs to be added, too. Can't stick with the same old Zelda formula; Twilight Princess proved that this doesn't work.

Funny thing is Skyward sword is already making the world more open and seamless and giving it more weapon customization options. But most people tend to overlook those details in favor of shouting "hurr durr rehash!"
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#22 TreyoftheDead
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I love the Elder Scrolls series, but keep it the hell away from Zelda.

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#23 sammyjenkis898
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Funny thing is Skyward sword is already making the world more open and seamless and giving it more weapon customization options. But most people tend to overlook those details in favor of shouting "hurr durr rehash!"Shinobishyguy

Well, I'm not overlooking anything, as I haven't played the game yet.

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#24 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Funny thing is Skyward sword is already making the world more open and seamless and giving it more weapon customization options. But most people tend to overlook those details in favor of shouting "hurr durr rehash!"sammyjenkis898

Well, I'm not overlooking anything, as I haven't played the game yet.

I'm talking about the people dismissing skyward sword as a rehash without doing their homework
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#25 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="i3DS"]

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

sammyjenkis898

I wonder if IGN ever gets tired of being wrong.

DarkLink77

Hm, I think they're right with these suggestions. Voice acting needs to be added, too. Can't stick with the same old Zelda formula; Twilight Princess proved that this doesn't work.

The day Zelda becomes cinematic is the day I stop playing it.
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#26 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Funny thing is Skyward sword is already making the world more open and seamless and giving it more weapon customization options. But most people tend to overlook those details in favor of shouting "hurr durr rehash!"Shinobishyguy

Well, I'm not overlooking anything, as I haven't played the game yet.

I'm talking about the people dismissing skyward sword as a rehash without doing their homework

I've done my homework and watched plenty of videos. Still skeptical, to say the least. Expectations are pretty low. I'm hoping it surprises me.
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The ign article is talking about a wiiu tittle, wich is capable of HD. Read the article peeps(or at least take a glance).

"There's no doubt that Zelda, for all its remarkable accomplishments and perfected methods of design, could try some new things as it prepares to move into an HD era"

lbjkurono23
then why bother listing it as one of the 5 things?
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#28 PBSnipes
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1) Doesn't need to be any more open than OoT was. Padding your game with cookie-cutter dungeons and sidequests isn't an improvement over linearity. They need to break up the childhood link training area->forest temple->fire temple->water temple->lather rinse repeat formula, but open-world isn't the solution there.

2) I can't beleive I gave IGN a pageview to hear their explanation of this one. Zelda's more a puzzle game than anything else (granted you could say that about pretty much any game, but Zelda is super-puzzly when you look beneath the surface), and letting Link upgrade the Master Sword to the +1 Master Sword of Grinding isn't going to improve that style of gameplay.

3) Wait, what? How do we know Skyrim has an epic story? How weren't some of the prior Zelda titles pretty damn epic in the story department? Bueller?

4) Duh. Way to go out on a limb there, IGN.

5) I'd agree, but I think IGN has a very different definition of "cinematic". Probably something that involves slow motion takedowns and lens flare...YIKES.

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#29 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

The ign article is talking about a wiiu tittle, wich is capable of HD. Read the article peeps(or at least take a glance).

"There's no doubt that Zelda, for all its remarkable accomplishments and perfected methods of design, could try some new things as it prepares to move into an HD era"

BrunoBRS
then why bother listing it as one of the 5 things?

You have got to be kidding me... these five things are the things they want to see on the next zelda game, which will be released on the wiiu.
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#30 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Except for HD, this list is pretty lolworthy.

Chutebox

That's the most "lol" worthy since the Wii can't do HD...so stupid to even put it on the list.

Who's to say they aren't talking about future titles?

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#31 mmmwksil
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If IGN wants a Zelda like adventure with cues from Skyrim, they could just mod their Skyrim to make their character an elf boy in green tights.

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#32 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

The ign article is talking about a wiiu tittle, wich is capable of HD. Read the article peeps(or at least take a glance).

"There's no doubt that Zelda, for all its remarkable accomplishments and perfected methods of design, could try some new things as it prepares to move into an HD era"

lbjkurono23
then why bother listing it as one of the 5 things?

You have got to be kidding me... these five things are the things they want to see on the next zelda game, which will be released on the wiiu.

and one of them is a given, which is why bringing it up is pointless. it's like saying "diablo 3 better have keyboard and mouse support".
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#33 lbjkurono23
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If IGN wants a Zelda like adventure with cues from Skyrim, they could just mod their Skyrim to make their character an elf boy in green tights.

mmmwksil
Thats boring, I want a zelda game where you actually get to explore.
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#34 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] then why bother listing it as one of the 5 things?

You have got to be kidding me... these five things are the things they want to see on the next zelda game, which will be released on the wiiu.

and one of them is a given, which is why bringing it up is pointless. it's like saying "diablo 3 better have keyboard and mouse support".

Was it a given that nintendo wasn't going to go HD before this gen started?
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#35 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] You have got to be kidding me... these five things are the things they want to see on the next zelda game, which will be released on the wiiu.

and one of them is a given, which is why bringing it up is pointless. it's like saying "diablo 3 better have keyboard and mouse support".

Was it a given that nintendo wasn't going to go HD before this gen started?

no. but the wii u is an HD-capable system, and they know it, since the article was published today. asking a wii u title to be in HD is like asking a PC game to support mouse and keyboard. for example, if, in some horrible, horrible, distorted world, zelda was announced for the PS3, wouldn't HD being in the list sound redundant?
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] and one of them is a given, which is why bringing it up is pointless. it's like saying "diablo 3 better have keyboard and mouse support".

Was it a given that nintendo wasn't going to go HD before this gen started?

no. but the wii u is an HD-capable system, and they know it, since the article was published today. asking a wii u title to be in HD is like asking a PC game to support mouse and keyboard. for example, if, in some horrible, horrible, distorted world, zelda was announced for the PS3, wouldn't HD being in the list sound redundant?

Makes a lot more sense than asking for a wii game to be HD, doesn't it?
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#37 The_Pacific
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Wow :|

Why make a copy of a game ? Zelda has its formula and its worked for 25 years. why change ?

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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] Was it a given that nintendo wasn't going to go HD before this gen started?

no. but the wii u is an HD-capable system, and they know it, since the article was published today. asking a wii u title to be in HD is like asking a PC game to support mouse and keyboard. for example, if, in some horrible, horrible, distorted world, zelda was announced for the PS3, wouldn't HD being in the list sound redundant?

Makes a lot more sense than asking for a wii game to be HD, doesn't it?

i never said it's stupid because they're asking a wii game to be HD. you brought up that they were talking about a possible wii u game, to which i replied "then why bother listing it [HD] as one of the 5 things? [isn't it obvious a wii u game will be in HD?]"
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#39 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

If IGN wants a Zelda like adventure with cues from Skyrim, they could just mod their Skyrim to make their character an elf boy in green tights.

lbjkurono23

Thats boring, I want a zelda game where you actually get to explore.

Then play a Zelda game as is. Asking for the game to "evolve" by mimicking what's trending now is a terrible idea, and IGN is clearly not caring as they fish for hits. If you feel the Zelda formula is going stale, then perhaps it's you the gamer that should move on and find a new series.

And I don't mean you personally, I mean generally speaking.

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#40 madsnakehhh
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Oh boy, IGN does it again...there is a reason i don't go there at all...well, only because the IPL, but aside from that...Lol IGN.

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#41 foxhound_fox
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Two things I find funny: 1. They assume that Zelda isn't changing in its newest iteration coming out in three months, and they also don't realize that every 3D iteration of the series has bern drastically different (even TP, especially in tems of style and atmosphere). 2. They assume that elements from a series that has never been well known for high quality games (that aren't fixed by the mod community) are going to benefit a series that is essentially a dying breed in modern gaming (exploration-driven linear-narrative action-adventure). Zelda works. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be celebrating its 25th anniversary this year.
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#42 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

If IGN wants a Zelda like adventure with cues from Skyrim, they could just mod their Skyrim to make their character an elf boy in green tights.

mmmwksil

Thats boring, I want a zelda game where you actually get to explore.

Then play a Zelda game as is. Asking for the game to "evolve" by mimicking what's trending now is a terrible idea, and IGN is clearly not caring as they fish for hits. If you feel the Zelda formula is going stale, then perhaps it's you the gamer that should move on and find a new series.

And I don't mean you personally, I mean generally speaking.

I don't want zelda to mimic skyrim or any other game, I want the game to have a more vivid world for us to explore, instead of getting 7 mini maps. It's also lacking in interactivity with the world, how about improving on what they built for majoras mask.

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Maybe Elder Scrolls could learn a thing it two about Zeldas standard of polish. What's up with that?
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#44 mmmwksil
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I don't want zelda to mimic skyrim or any other game, I want the game to have a more vivid world for us to explore, instead of getting 7 mini maps. It's also lacking in interactivity with the world, how about improving on what they built for majoras mask.

lbjkurono23

Yeah, that won't ever happen. Sad, but most likely true.

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1. I don't remember this ever being an issue with the series. It has always managed to be open enough. 2. This isn't really needed, but I wouldn't mind it as long as incorporated correctly, but that goes without saying. 3. Legendary story? In Skyrim? Yeah it'll be a lot of good things, but I seriously doubt story will be one of them. Besides, Majora's Mask story alone is superior than anything Bethesda dished out with TES. 4. It would be nice, no doubt about that. 5. No.
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Yeah lets put a cheesy looking helmet with horns on Link.

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#47 jdc6305
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[QUOTE="i3DS"]

Glitchspot won't let me post a link but it's on IGN's homepage.

1. Open up the world.

2. Customization and progression.

3. A legendary story. (lolwut)

4. HD

5. Cinematic scope.

Thoughts?

Gamingclone

I believe Miyamoto said himself that he will never use Cinematic cutscenes. Unless I am miss understanding what Cinematic scope means

HD Zelda can only happen when the console it is on is HD capable. Which will happen sometime next year (the HD console I mean, a Wii U zelda probably wont happen until 2013 at the earliest)

Personally I like how they have the world set up the Zelda games.

At the rate nintendo puts out games you won't see a hd Zelda till 2020.

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#48 lbjkurono23
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I don't want zelda to mimic skyrim or any other game, I want the game to have a more vivid world for us to explore, instead of getting 7 mini maps. It's also lacking in interactivity with the world, how about improving on what they built for majoras mask.

mmmwksil

Yeah, that won't ever happen. Sad, but most likely true.

It's really disappointing. Seeing how Mario has thrived while changing things up.
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#49 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

I don't want zelda to mimic skyrim or any other game, I want the game to have a more vivid world for us to explore, instead of getting 7 mini maps. It's also lacking in interactivity with the world, how about improving on what they built for majoras mask.

lbjkurono23

Yeah, that won't ever happen. Sad, but most likely true.

It's really disappointing. Seeing how Mario has thrived while changing things up.

That's not to say Zelda hasn't tossed up the formula before (AoL, MM, WW, FSA, ST), but it seems everytime they do, the fickle fans complain, and this discourages Nintendo from expanding on the concept further.

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#50 i3DS
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Needs more Epona dlc armor and DLC endings.