Id like to argue Resident Evil 5, best in class of 2009?

I feel like this game, although recieved well by both critics and fans, kinda got safted this year. So, im gonna argue a couple perks of this game that I believe rank it amungst the best of 09.

1. Graphics. Um, Perfect. Can anyone find a flaw, a single flaw in the graphical presentation of this game? didn't think so. Buttery smooth framerate and wonderful animation. AND Ohhhhh, those cut scenes... brilliant.

2. Co-op. Again, perfect. Not only was the game concieved around co op, but it actually makes you involved in what the other player is doing. It makes you stick close, it makes you cover your buddies back. Ive played a lot of co-op games where its a "you go your way, ill go mine" type of thing, but Resident Evil 5 seemlessly makes you strategize and care about the other controller. And oh, by the way, have you ever seen such competant A.I.? I hope all those Ubisoft R6V type games took note.

3. The Carrot. Anyone who didnt just play the game for its 10 hour campaign and shelve the game know wxactly what Im talking about. The games extras were like waving a carrot in front of a stick. You're always within reach of something. Upgrades, treasure, bonus's, BSAA symbols... whatever. The game paces out the extras in a way where a second, third and fourth playthrough are almost a give in.

Im not suggesting that RE5 is perfect. The controls are still a little clunky at times, though once you get in a grove you dont feel inhibited often and the story is eh, not bad, but not Mass Effect. All in all, however, I'm standing by this game as being in the top 5 of 09'. I didn't create this thread to attack any other game, but if you disagree, why?

I thought RE5 was bad ass. I probably have it as my favourite of the year that I played. Its battling NSMBWii (which is also really damn amazing)

I actually have to be one of the few RE fans that liked it.SpiritOfFire117

I wouldnt consider myself a RE fan, I beat the first one on PS1 when I was like 15 and never really got in to the other ones. But I will say that they seem to always evolve in some way to keep them fresh. The co-op was brilliant.

Best of 09?? lol, no.

The sole fact that it forces you to co-op with a broken AI makes it fail getting that title.

Best of 09?? lol, no.

The sole fact that it forces you to co-op with a broken AI makes it fail getting that title.

GreenGoblin2099

RE5 is one of most badly designed games I've played this gen, the co-op and graphics being just about the only things of merit. Silent-Hal

wow... you didnt defend yourself AT ALL!!! Give me something brother. Thats like me saying Abraham Lincoln was a lousy womanizing drunken baffoon... bye.

Best of 09?? lol, no.

The sole fact that it forces you to co-op with a broken AI makes it fail getting that title.

GreenGoblin2099

Broken AI... Ive played through the game a few times with AI and I have nothing but glowing things to say about it.

RE5 is one of most badly designed games I've played this gen, the co-op and graphics being just about the only things of merit.Silent-Hal

In complete honesty, that is the reason to play RE5. what else were you playing it for? Story? AI? depth? It basically presented itself as a adrenline pumped mindless action fest that's fun for 2 and I think it did that very well in its own style.

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]RE5 is one of most badly designed games I've played this gen, the co-op and graphics being just about the only things of merit. TheEroica

wow... you didnt defend yourself AT ALL!!! Give me something brother. Thats like me saying Abraham Lincoln was a lousy womanizing drunken baffoon... bye.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Best of 09?? lol, no.

The sole fact that it forces you to co-op with a broken AI makes it fail getting that title.

TheEroica

Broken AI... Ive played through the game a few times with AI and I have nothing but glowing things to say about it.

Well, good for you, but I don't agree just as much as you don't agree with my opinion ;)

I actually have to be one of the few RE fans that liked it.SpiritOfFire117

Same here. I haven't not loved a main series RE game, although the Survivor and Outbreak series can just die.

No. Co-op was horribly implemented in a game that should be singleplayer in the first place. Also, no horror in any way is a pretty big letdown.

1. I can find problems, namely the insane bloom at times, a lot of enemies looked like they were made of tin foil. But yes the graphics are some of the best around. 2. Hell No. The co-op is far from perfect, try playing with a friend offline and then tell me its perfect. Online was good, but it was just like any other co-op game, the covering a buddy was fine but also ruined the difficulty in some places, just staying right next to each other meant you could just constantly stop each other dieing. 3. 10 hour campaign, try 8 max, and I do agree that the collectibles and achievements were addictive, hence why I got 1000/1000G on it. BUT, and this is a humongous, massive, J-Lo sized BUT, I completed RE4 around about 13 times, and not once did I do it for collectibles, I did it because the gameplay was amazing, the story was amazing, everything about the game was amazing, it's my favourite game of all time, and everytime I went back to RE5 to get some gamerscore I couldn't help but feel that if it didn't have achievements I wouldn't have completed it more than twice.bobbetybob

I only played it off line and while nothing in RE5 was perfect in any sense, the split screen was completely fine.

Hate the controls, despise the inventory system, but I still had some small level of fun playing co-op with another human being. For a little while, anyway. Not on my 'favorites of '09' list.

While i agree its a great game, the fact that they put so much emphasis on coop and multiplayer means it was never destined to be greater than RE4 in my opinion, and it isnt reallly, not even close. While it has great gameplay, the emphasis on coop ruined the single player, making it a much more inferior RE game than 4, and one of the worst in the series in my opinion. Thats why it got overlooked, Capcoms greediness to garner more sales by including half assed multiplayer and a decent coop.

I didn't like it. It seemed repetitive.

What was everyone's problem with the inventory exactly?

THe one cateogry it really should be nominated, although not necesarily win, is in the biggest dissapointent. RE4 is one of the greatest games of all freakin time, while this game was simply ok. To be expect something in the magnitude of RE4 was a given, but definitely not met.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]1. I can find problems, namely the insane bloom at times, a lot of enemies looked like they were made of tin foil. But yes the graphics are some of the best around. 2. Hell No. The co-op is far from perfect, try playing with a friend offline and then tell me its perfect. Online was good, but it was just like any other co-op game, the covering a buddy was fine but also ruined the difficulty in some places, just staying right next to each other meant you could just constantly stop each other dieing. 3. 10 hour campaign, try 8 max, and I do agree that the collectibles and achievements were addictive, hence why I got 1000/1000G on it. BUT, and this is a humongous, massive, J-Lo sized BUT, I completed RE4 around about 13 times, and not once did I do it for collectibles, I did it because the gameplay was amazing, the story was amazing, everything about the game was amazing, it's my favourite game of all time, and everytime I went back to RE5 to get some gamerscore I couldn't help but feel that if it didn't have achievements I wouldn't have completed it more than twice.ActicEdge

I only played it off line and while nothing in RE5 was perfect in any sense, the split screen was completely fine.

Last week, I replayed REmake and I can honestly say I like that game way better than RE5.

I'd wish Capcom went back to the RE roots and quit the mainstream crap

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]1. I can find problems, namely the insane bloom at times, a lot of enemies looked like they were made of tin foil. But yes the graphics are some of the best around. 2. Hell No. The co-op is far from perfect, try playing with a friend offline and then tell me its perfect. Online was good, but it was just like any other co-op game, the covering a buddy was fine but also ruined the difficulty in some places, just staying right next to each other meant you could just constantly stop each other dieing. 3. 10 hour campaign, try 8 max, and I do agree that the collectibles and achievements were addictive, hence why I got 1000/1000G on it. BUT, and this is a humongous, massive, J-Lo sized BUT, I completed RE4 around about 13 times, and not once did I do it for collectibles, I did it because the gameplay was amazing, the story was amazing, everything about the game was amazing, it's my favourite game of all time, and everytime I went back to RE5 to get some gamerscore I couldn't help but feel that if it didn't have achievements I wouldn't have completed it more than twice.bobbetybob

I only played it off line and while nothing in RE5 was perfect in any sense, the split screen was completely fine.

That I agree with. Setting up Co op in RE5 is stupidly ccomplicated. My friend nd his girl friend were trying to do it and it took god knows how long before they finally gave up and let someone do it for them. When you learn it isn't hard but it shouldn't be difficult to begin with. As for your saving problem, don't know what you were doing, I have never had that happen before.

On a side note, is it just me or does it seem that everyone hates RE5 because it wasn't RE4?

I feel like this game, although recieved well by both critics and fans, kinda got safted this year. So, im gonna argue a couple perks of this game that I believe rank it amungst the best of 09.

1. Graphics. Um, Perfect. Can anyone find a flaw, a single flaw in the graphical presentation of this game? didn't think so. Buttery smooth framerate and wonderful animation. AND Ohhhhh, those cut scenes... brilliant.

2. Co-op. Again, perfect. Not only was the game concieved around co op, but it actually makes you involved in what the other player is doing. It makes you stick close, it makes you cover your buddies back. Ive played a lot of co-op games where its a "you go your way, ill go mine" type of thing, but Resident Evil 5 seemlessly makes you strategize and care about the other controller. And oh, by the way, have you ever seen such competant A.I.? I hope all those Ubisoft R6V type games took note.

3. The Carrot. Anyone who didnt just play the game for its 10 hour campaign and shelve the game know wxactly what Im talking about. The games extras were like waving a carrot in front of a stick. You're always within reach of something. Upgrades, treasure, bonus's, BSAA symbols... whatever. The game paces out the extras in a way where a second, third and fourth playthrough are almost a give in.

Im not suggesting that RE5 is perfect. The controls are still a little clunky at times, though once you get in a grove you dont feel inhibited often and the story is eh, not bad, but not Mass Effect. All in all, however, I'm standing by this game as being in the top 5 of 09'. I didn't create this thread to attack any other game, but if you disagree, why?

TheEroica

Im going to go against your reasons for it being best 09'

1: The graphics, yes nothing is wrong with them but they ain't exaclty special or anything. The african enviroment is welcome but when the sun goes down it looks boring.

2: The Co-Op, yes its ok but no where near as good as L4D which was made around the co-op element

3: I dont know what you mean by 'a carrot'

Here are some of my own reasons:

2009 was one of the better year for games so it was hard for RE5 to be the best

It hyped too much and then didnt turn out to be that good.

RE4 is a tought act to follow

Resident Evil 5 was a big dissapointment. Against the likes of Uncharted 2 it doesn't have a chance.

It was a good game, but it is not one of the best games of 2009. The story presentation was hilariously bad, the cover-system they decided to jam into the game 3/4 of the way through it wasn't particularly intuitive, the fact that it's totally an action game but they still don't let you walk and shoot, the "charge at you then waltz slowly around you" AI is the exact opposite of engaging combat, and the co-op is forced.

Its a good game and top 10 or top 15 of hte year, but not best game of the year.

1. I can find problems, namely the insane bloom at times, a lot of enemies looked like they were made of tin foil. But yes the graphics are some of the best around. 2. Hell No. The co-op is far from perfect, try playing with a friend offline and then tell me its perfect. Online was good, but it was just like any other co-op game, the covering a buddy was fine but also ruined the difficulty in some places, just staying right next to each other meant you could just constantly stop each other dieing. 3. 10 hour campaign, try 8 max, and I do agree that the collectibles and achievements were addictive, hence why I got 1000/1000G on it. BUT, and this is a humongous, massive, J-Lo sized BUT, I completed RE4 around about 13 times, and not once did I do it for collectibles, I did it because the gameplay was amazing, the story was amazing, everything about the game was amazing, it's my favourite game of all time, and everytime I went back to RE5 to get some gamerscore I couldn't help but feel that if it didn't have achievements I wouldn't have completed it more than twice.bobbetybob

Fine, with the graphics, if you're comparing it to real life. As far as where video games have taken us, RE5 is incredible.

I played with a friend offline once and while it is clearly not the best way to play, it didnt bug me that much.

I say 10 hour because well, thats how long it took me. I admit, I am a "search every nook and cranny in the room" type player though.

Sounds like you really like the game brother.

Resident Evil 5 was a big dissapointment. Against the likes of Uncharted 2 it doesn't have a chance.

chocolate1325

I want to stress the point that Im not saying its the GOTY... I just think, for me, It was in my top 5 of 09. I could play it anyday of the week twice on sunday.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

And oh, by the way, have you ever seen such competant A.I.? I hope all those Ubisoft R6V type games took note.

Slashkice

You have got to be kidding. The mind-numbingly-retarded A.I. really hampered the offline experience.

hahaha... nope. Completely serious. I never ran into one issue where the AI was "that" bad.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]1. I can find problems, namely the insane bloom at times, a lot of enemies looked like they were made of tin foil. But yes the graphics are some of the best around. 2. Hell No. The co-op is far from perfect, try playing with a friend offline and then tell me its perfect. Online was good, but it was just like any other co-op game, the covering a buddy was fine but also ruined the difficulty in some places, just staying right next to each other meant you could just constantly stop each other dieing. 3. 10 hour campaign, try 8 max, and I do agree that the collectibles and achievements were addictive, hence why I got 1000/1000G on it. BUT, and this is a humongous, massive, J-Lo sized BUT, I completed RE4 around about 13 times, and not once did I do it for collectibles, I did it because the gameplay was amazing, the story was amazing, everything about the game was amazing, it's my favourite game of all time, and everytime I went back to RE5 to get some gamerscore I couldn't help but feel that if it didn't have achievements I wouldn't have completed it more than twice.TheEroica

Fine, with the graphics, if you're comparing it to real life. As far as where video games have taken us, RE5 is incredible.

I played with a friend offline once and while it is clearly not the best way to play, it didnt bug me that much.

I say 10 hour because well, thats how long it took me. I admit, I am a "search every nook and cranny in the room" type player though.

Sounds like you really like the game brother.

RE5 was full of fail. Not a bad game but certainly doesn't deserve GotY nomination at all. The story was cliche and predictable. The bosses were rehashes of the same old stuff we have been doing in games for atleast a decade. The inventory system made no sense at all (a hand gun takes up same space as a rocket launcher??? I have to pick up ammo for my gun to go into my inventory before I could load it really???) The partner and enemy AI was brain dead. Sheva would use the wrong guns at wrong times, waste herbs, and shoot at the wrong targets. The enemies would rush then stop at a certain point and take turns attacking. The controls were unneccessarily outdated (you have to hold a button to run and turn around, you can't move and shoot at same time). Don't give me it builds tension crap because good game designers would create tense situations that don't require that you battle the controls. The scripting of the last boss battle was so horribly unintuitive that it's just mind baffling. Sure the game was fun in coop but so was army of two. Ontop of the game design flaws, the game featured some extremely questionable imagery (the tribal zombies). The series needs to evolve to be GotY quality.

RE5 was full of fail. Not a bad game but certainly doesn't deserve GotY nomination at all. The story was cliche and predictable. The bosses were rehashes of the same old stuff we have been doing in games for atleast a decade. The inventory system made no sense at all (a hand gun takes up same space as a rocket launcher??? I have to pick up ammo for my gun to go into my inventory before I could load it really???) The partner and enemy AI was brain dead. Sheva would use the wrong guns at wrong times, waste herbs, and shoot at the wrong targets. The enemies would rush then stop at a certain point and take turns attacking. The controls were unneccessarily outdated (you have to hold a button to run and turn around, you can't move and shoot at same time). Don't give me it builds tension crap because good game designers would create tense situations that don't require that you battle the controls. The scripting of the last boss battle was so horribly unintuitive that it's just mind baffling. Sure the game was fun in coop but so was army of two. Ontop of the game design flaws, the game featured some extremely questionable imagery (the tribal zombies). The series needs to evolve to be GotY quality.

jyoung312

Really, while you make some decent points I feel people over dramatize when talking about big games. This game is hardly full of fail. The story was not worth mentioning yes. I'm sorry though, when was the story a big component of action shooters again? the inventory sytem didn't make sense yes. But so what? I don't exactly know why it has to make sense, it jhust needs to get the job done. The inventory of RE% was not meant for micro management like it was in 4 with the rearranging and stuff, it was meant to hold your stuff and give you quick access to your weapons. It wasn't suppose to do anything more which is why it was realtime and easily pulled up. The loading was a good point though that was done so you couldn't just power your way through areas with all the extra ammo. Of course they could have just put in less ammo but that defeats a lot of the purpose of having tons of monsters in an action game if you have limited ammo. Remembering of course RE5 is an action game, not a survival horror. AI, didn;t play the game in SP so no comment but the enemies were adequate for myself and those I played with. Controls, meh, I am not going to whine about this, those that feel it was a bother have that right though. Last boss was unimpressive I agree. Its no GOTY but it was a damn good game imo.

[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

RE5 was full of fail. Not a bad game but certainly doesn't deserve GotY nomination at all. The story was cliche and predictable. The bosses were rehashes of the same old stuff we have been doing in games for atleast a decade. The inventory system made no sense at all (a hand gun takes up same space as a rocket launcher??? I have to pick up ammo for my gun to go into my inventory before I could load it really???) The partner and enemy AI was brain dead. Sheva would use the wrong guns at wrong times, waste herbs, and shoot at the wrong targets. The enemies would rush then stop at a certain point and take turns attacking. The controls were unneccessarily outdated (you have to hold a button to run and turn around, you can't move and shoot at same time). Don't give me it builds tension crap because good game designers would create tense situations that don't require that you battle the controls. The scripting of the last boss battle was so horribly unintuitive that it's just mind baffling. Sure the game was fun in coop but so was army of two. Ontop of the game design flaws, the game featured some extremely questionable imagery (the tribal zombies). The series needs to evolve to be GotY quality.

ActicEdge

Really, while you make some decent points I feel people over dramatize when talking about big games. This game is hardly full of fail. The story was not worth mentioning yes. I'm sorry though, when was the story a big component of action shooters again? the inventory sytem didn't make sense yes. But so what? I don't exactly know why it has to make sense, it jhust needs to get the job done. The inventory of RE% was not meant for micro management like it was in 4 with the rearranging and stuff, it was meant to hold your stuff and give you quick access to your weapons. It wasn't suppose to do anything more which is why it was realtime and easily pulled up. The loading was a good point though that was done so you couldn't just power your way through areas with all the extra ammo. Of course they could have just put in less ammo but that defeats a lot of the purpose of having tons of monsters in an action game if you have limited ammo. Remembering of course RE5 is an action game, not a survival horror. AI, didn;t play the game in SP so no comment but the enemies were adequate for myself and those I played with. Controls, meh, I am not going to whine about this, those that feel it was a bother have that right though. Last boss was unimpressive I agree. Its no GOTY but it was a damn good game imo.

On a side note, is it just me or does it seem that everyone hates RE5 because it wasn't RE4?

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

On a side note, is it just me or does it seem that everyone hates RE5 because it wasn't RE4?

SilverChimera

I'm getting that feeling too. I don't understand it. They're both incredible games.

i thought the game was a fun "game"' with a friend, but over all as a re fan, it was a dumn lame identity crisis re game. i think when re4 was made and they had a nice game engine and probally expensive one, capcom was afraid to throw it in a new ip so they ruined the franchise to sell off the name of re

Best of 09?? lol, no.

The sole fact that it forces you to co-op with a broken AI makes it fail getting that title.

Its a generic co-op shooter. I only enjoyed it when playing with friends. I dislike the fact that there is absolutely no horror in the game.