I pay 180 $ a year for online... for one game.

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.iam2green

Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.iam2green

Cause relatively Blizzard will remove WoW mothly fees if it was on the 360, right?

That also doesn't change the fact that for every 360/pc (game for windows) games, PC gamers play it for free.

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

YankeeDan345

Cause relatively Blizzard will remove WoW mothly fees if it was on the 360, right?

That also doesn't change the fact that for every 360/pc (game for windows) games, PC gamers play it for free.

Eternal_Sleeper

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

YankeeDan345

because every PC gamer plays wow ..

Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.iam2green

If you enjoy paying $180 a year then that is your choice, I play all my online games for free and there is no way in heaven or hell that I'd support any company taking money for my own network connection that I'm already paying for, and remember, I don't and won't support these kinds of services because if I do then other companies will start to rip us off the same way which is unfair the way I see it.abuabed

I used to bash monthly payments for mmo's even when I tried Age of Conan. Now when I started playing an actually finished game (WoW) I have to say that there is so much to do in the game that 15$ a month is nothing compared to what I would spend on new games since most clock in below 10h. The fact that im in Poland helps in justify the subscription too. Example: I bought WoW battlechest + 2 moths pre paid and that cost as much as a new Xbox360 game...now that is value.

If you enjoy paying $180 a year then that is your choice, I play all my online games for free and there is no way in heaven or hell that I'd support any company taking money for my own network connection that I'm already paying for, and remember, I don't and won't support these kinds of services because if I do then other companies will start to rip us off the same way which is unfair the way I see it. abuabed

Very good post. I Agree 100%.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]If you enjoy paying $180 a year then that is your choice, I play all my online games for free and there is no way in heaven or hell that I'd support any company taking money for my own network connection that I'm already paying for, and remember, I don't and won't support these kinds of services because if I do then other companies will start to rip us off the same way which is unfair the way I see it.cainetao11

Just had a glance at the website and at its cheapest its about £90 a year and around £7.50 a month in the UK. I couldn't understand paying more than £2 a month to play one game.

WoW is a complete waste of time. Blizzard does everything they can to draw things out as much as possible in order for you to keep paying. It is a complete time sink. There is a cycle in WoW that never ends.

Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.iam2green

Xbox live gets patches, game devs fix problems, P2P doesn't equal lag, and in WoW both the server AND the players connection cause lag. I've D/Ced countless times because of latency when my whole raid would not.

You gotta be blind if you think Xbox Live doesn't get the same treatment Blizz gives WoW, yet with WoW there's so many balance issues, and malfunctioning servers that I just gave up. That game went down the toilet.

Let me spell this out for you. When you pay your monthly subscription to World of Warcraft, you actually get something substantial in return....something that has to be built and maintained: dedicated servers. Blizzard has to run servers that support literally millions of subscribers. At the same time, they provide consistent updates with huge patches addressing game balance, bugs, or completely changing different aspects of the game/classes/etc. Make no mistake: WoW is expensive. It's a time and money vacuum and the game can go to hell for all I care. But at the same time I know that every time they bill me, I'm getting something actual, something physical, in return. Whereas when you pay for a year of Xbox Live, here's what you get in return. The right to play on their proprietary network (when free alternatives exist on every other platform on the market) service that operates in this way: it has literally zero infrastructure as far as hosting online matches is concerned. It relies on the players.....their internet connection, their Xbox 360's.....to host their own ******* matches. It's a revenue generating scheme that people have bought into because of the ridiculous prestige factor tied into it....period. You get INFERIOR gameplay, INFERIOR performance, and you pay them MONEY so that you can be cheated out of a superior experience on other platforms. This isn't anything to be proud of, this isn't anything to scoff at, this is something to get legitimately worked up over and complain about. Why? Because the minute you stop DOING it the minute Microsoft turns down the heat. Want an example? Take Windows Live. Windows Live is ostensibly Xbox Live for the PC platform. It's functionally identical, down to the subscription fees, so much so in fact that if you had an Xbox Live subscription, they'd let you play on Windows Live. Except for one thing....they've now removed the subscription fee. It is Xbox Live Gold minus the Xbox Live Gold fees. Why did this happen? PC gamers have a CHOICE. They have an open platform and an open network and they get to choose where they play and what they're going to pay for. Xbox Live gamers don't get this option. The only thing 360 owners or Xbox owners can do is be loud and obnoxious, because they can't simply take their business elsewhere (although my opinion is that they should, when they're choosing a console to buy). When you're playing on Xbox Live, it's sucking up bandwidth from your internet connection and forcing your Xbox 360 to do two things simultaneously...play a game from the client-side, and host the entire match from the server-side.Brownesque

LOL.... Oh my, oh my.... got tired of making sense did we?

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

YankeeDan345

[QUOTE="YankeeDan345"]

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

Jrfanfreak88

do you really think wow would ruin your social life completely? I don't like the game, but people really need to stop making assumptions on the bad apples. I have plenty of friends that play WoW and the only thing different about them is that they aren't putting the same amount of hours in counter strike as they used to.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Let me spell this out for you. When you pay your monthly subscription to World of Warcraft, you actually get something substantial in return....something that has to be built and maintained: dedicated servers. Blizzard has to run servers that support literally millions of subscribers. At the same time, they provide consistent updates with huge patches addressing game balance, bugs, or completely changing different aspects of the game/classes/etc. Make no mistake: WoW is expensive. It's a time and money vacuum and the game can go to hell for all I care. But at the same time I know that every time they bill me, I'm getting something actual, something physical, in return. Whereas when you pay for a year of Xbox Live, here's what you get in return. The right to play on their proprietary network (when free alternatives exist on every other platform on the market) service that operates in this way: it has literally zero infrastructure as far as hosting online matches is concerned. It relies on the players.....their internet connection, their Xbox 360's.....to host their own ******* matches. It's a revenue generating scheme that people have bought into because of the ridiculous prestige factor tied into it....period. You get INFERIOR gameplay, INFERIOR performance, and you pay them MONEY so that you can be cheated out of a superior experience on other platforms. This isn't anything to be proud of, this isn't anything to scoff at, this is something to get legitimately worked up over and complain about. Why? Because the minute you stop DOING it the minute Microsoft turns down the heat. Want an example? Take Windows Live. Windows Live is ostensibly Xbox Live for the PC platform. It's functionally identical, down to the subscription fees, so much so in fact that if you had an Xbox Live subscription, they'd let you play on Windows Live. Except for one thing....they've now removed the subscription fee. It is Xbox Live Gold minus the Xbox Live Gold fees. Why did this happen? PC gamers have a CHOICE. They have an open platform and an open network and they get to choose where they play and what they're going to pay for. Xbox Live gamers don't get this option. The only thing 360 owners or Xbox owners can do is be loud and obnoxious, because they can't simply take their business elsewhere (although my opinion is that they should, when they're choosing a console to buy). When you're playing on Xbox Live, it's sucking up bandwidth from your internet connection and forcing your Xbox 360 to do two things simultaneously...play a game from the client-side, and host the entire match from the server-side.whatisazerg

LOL.... Oh my, oh my.... got tired of making sense did we?

What a stupid comparison, if WoW was on live you'd have to pay for WoW and for Live. WoW's a game that runs on servers with amazing support and constant content, all you pay for live is to peer 2 peer game, ripoff. And don't say ohh but all the content runs on servers bla bla, then why don't silver members pay for it?

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="YankeeDan345"]

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

_Pedro_

do you really think wow would ruin your social life completely? I don't like the game, but people really need to stop making assumptions on the bad apples. I have plenty of friends that play WoW and the only thing different about them is that they aren't putting the same amount of hours in counter strike as they used to.

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Let me spell this out for you. When you pay your monthly subscription to World of Warcraft, you actually get something substantial in return....something that has to be built and maintained: dedicated servers. Blizzard has to run servers that support literally millions of subscribers. At the same time, they provide consistent updates with huge patches addressing game balance, bugs, or completely changing different aspects of the game/classes/etc. Make no mistake: WoW is expensive. It's a time and money vacuum and the game can go to hell for all I care. But at the same time I know that every time they bill me, I'm getting something actual, something physical, in return. Whereas when you pay for a year of Xbox Live, here's what you get in return. The right to play on their proprietary network (when free alternatives exist on every other platform on the market) service that operates in this way: it has literally zero infrastructure as far as hosting online matches is concerned. It relies on the players.....their internet connection, their Xbox 360's.....to host their own ******* matches. It's a revenue generating scheme that people have bought into because of the ridiculous prestige factor tied into it....period. You get INFERIOR gameplay, INFERIOR performance, and you pay them MONEY so that you can be cheated out of a superior experience on other platforms. This isn't anything to be proud of, this isn't anything to scoff at, this is something to get legitimately worked up over and complain about. Why? Because the minute you stop DOING it the minute Microsoft turns down the heat. Want an example? Take Windows Live. Windows Live is ostensibly Xbox Live for the PC platform. It's functionally identical, down to the subscription fees, so much so in fact that if you had an Xbox Live subscription, they'd let you play on Windows Live. Except for one thing....they've now removed the subscription fee. It is Xbox Live Gold minus the Xbox Live Gold fees. Why did this happen? PC gamers have a CHOICE. They have an open platform and an open network and they get to choose where they play and what they're going to pay for. Xbox Live gamers don't get this option. The only thing 360 owners or Xbox owners can do is be loud and obnoxious, because they can't simply take their business elsewhere (although my opinion is that they should, when they're choosing a console to buy). When you're playing on Xbox Live, it's sucking up bandwidth from your internet connection and forcing your Xbox 360 to do two things simultaneously...play a game from the client-side, and host the entire match from the server-side.DSandPSP_owner

LOL.... Oh my, oh my.... got tired of making sense did we?

read that red part again.... he's saying he gets something "physical" in nature for his monthly fee... funny I played WoW for 3+ years and never once did Blizzard send me anything I could hold in my hand.

read that red part again.... he's saying he gets something "physical" in nature for his monthly fee... funny I played WoW for 3+ years and never once did Blizzard send me anything I could hold in my hand.

whatisazerg

I see that this going to be the same people whining about getting ripped off or forced and the same people saying it doesn't bother them. These threads should be locked. It's the same crap over and over again. It's just spam.

[QUOTE="YankeeDan345"]

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

Jrfanfreak88

Yes but WoW is not a fun game at all to me and there are tons of games with XBL that are. GFW is free because it's terrible and XBL is infinitely better. Also Blizzard had better not make Diablo III P2P or I'm going to explode.

Let me spell this out for you. When you pay your monthly subscription to World of Warcraft, you actually get something substantial in return....something that has to be built and maintained: dedicated servers. Blizzard has to run servers that support literally millions of subscribers. At the same time, they provide consistent updates with huge patches addressing game balance, bugs, or completely changing different aspects of the game/classes/etc. Make no mistake: WoW is expensive. It's a time and money vacuum and the game can go to hell for all I care. But at the same time I know that every time they bill me, I'm getting something actual, something physical, in return. Whereas when you pay for a year of Xbox Live, here's what you get in return. The right to play on their proprietary network (when free alternatives exist on every other platform on the market) service that operates in this way: it has literally zero infrastructure as far as hosting online matches is concerned. It relies on the players.....their internet connection, their Xbox 360's.....to host their own ******* matches. It's a revenue generating scheme that people have bought into because of the ridiculous prestige factor tied into it....period. You get INFERIOR gameplay, INFERIOR performance, and you pay them MONEY so that you can be cheated out of a superior experience on other platforms. This isn't anything to be proud of, this isn't anything to scoff at, this is something to get legitimately worked up over and complain about. Why? Because the minute you stop DOING it the minute Microsoft turns down the heat. Want an example? Take Windows Live. Windows Live is ostensibly Xbox Live for the PC platform. It's functionally identical, down to the subscription fees, so much so in fact that if you had an Xbox Live subscription, they'd let you play on Windows Live. Except for one thing....they've now removed the subscription fee. It is Xbox Live Gold minus the Xbox Live Gold fees. Why did this happen? PC gamers have a CHOICE. They have an open platform and an open network and they get to choose where they play and what they're going to pay for. Xbox Live gamers don't get this option. The only thing 360 owners or Xbox owners can do is be loud and obnoxious, because they can't simply take their business elsewhere (although my opinion is that they should, when they're choosing a console to buy). When you're playing on Xbox Live, it's sucking up bandwidth from your internet connection and forcing your Xbox 360 to do two things simultaneously...play a game from the client-side, and host the entire match from the server-side.Brownesque

You win the internet:

Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.iam2green

[QUOTE="iam2green"]Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.Jamex1987

There's so much wrong with that comparison.Cherokee_Jack

It's called WoW, I used to do it for EVE, and so do over 10 million other people. For everybody who think 40$ a year for xbox live is too much LOL @ U especially if ur a computer gamer.

YankeeDan345

I pay twice that... I have 2 WOW accounts.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="iam2green"]Wow is a lot better then xbox live. blizzard actually makes new patches for the games, fixes problems. xbox live is a peer 2 peer which equals lag. in wow if a person lags it's usually the server. i use to play wow for about 3 years. i finally got bored of the game.

i was expecting this thread to be something like how u pay for to much of xbox live or something like that. i have a level 70 orc rogue. it has season 1 and 2 pvp gear.swamplord666

[QUOTE="swamplord666"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] Not all games are peer to peer and there are p2p games on PC also.Jamex1987

WoW is a waste of time and money, for me it is anyway.clembo1990