How does gran turismo 5 have worse graphics than forza 3?

now before you say damage control or something first I'd like to say I don't even own either game and they're a bit too sim like for my tastes.

And i'll say that forza 3 is the better game.

However, I do belive GT 5 is the better looking game. First of all gran turismo 5 runs at 1280x1080, while forza 3 only runs at 720p. Forza 3 can only have 8 cars on track, while gran turismo 5 has 16. And yes I realize the graphics are inconsistent on gran turismo 5, but if all 16 of those cars on the track are premium models than the cars look slightly better than forza 3's models.

But then let's look at the performance, and Forza 3 wins this one. According to lens of truth, the average framerate of GT 5 is 52.69 fps, while forza 3 has an average of 55.34. But forza 3 has virtually no screen tearing, while more than 1/5 of gt's frames are teared.

With all that in mind which do you think looks better? I guess It just depends on if you want consistency and better performance over twice the cars on track and twice the resolution.

Again, Forza 3 is the better game and I have no interest in either. It's just an observation I made :)

80% of the vehicles in the game do.

GT5 probably would win if it wasnt for incosistinces, which I personally hate in a game lol. Doesnt matter to me, I don't own either :P. Test Drive Unlimited 2, Dirt 3, NFSShift Unleashed, here I come! ;)

GT5 probably would win if it wasnt for incosistinces, which I personally hate in a game lol. Doesnt matter to me, I don't own either :P. Test Drive Unlimited 2, Dirt 3, NFSShift Unleashed, here I come! ;)

NaveedLife

I'll stick to mario kart :P

inconsistency is the key word when it comes to its graphics.

Some tracks look like rezd up rips from GT4,some cars are barely PS2 standard,theres a few tracks where copy paste techniques really really bring down the game.

New tracks look good and a few others,same goes for the 200 premium models...The rest just looks like it was thrown in as a sorry we kept you waiting.

Please system wars... STOP THE INSANITY!!!! GT5 fans, im sorry but you lost... its just a fact of life, GT5 is flip flip floppy, flippy to the floppy and there is nothing that can be done about it. enjoy your game and relax. almost every major review outlet likened a large majority of the cars in GT5 to that of PS2 ports. that is fact and that is sad. The game can not nor will it ever be mentioned in the same breath as Forza3 when it comes to overall quality. now please stop. I almost wish the sticky was back.

Please system wars... STOP THE INSANITY!!!! GT5 fans, im sorry but you lost... its just a fact of life, GT5 is flip flip floppy, flippy to the floppy and there is nothing that can be done about it. enjoy your game and relax. almost every major review outlet likened a large majority of the cars in GT5 to that of PS2 ports. that is fact and that is sad. The game can not nor will it ever be mentioned in the same breath as Forza3 when it comes to overall quality. now please stop. I almost wish the sticky was back.

TheEroica

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Please system wars... STOP THE INSANITY!!!! GT5 fans, im sorry but you lost... its just a fact of life, GT5 is flip flip floppy, flippy to the floppy and there is nothing that can be done about it. enjoy your game and relax. almost every major review outlet likened a large majority of the cars in GT5 to that of PS2 ports. that is fact and that is sad. The game can not nor will it ever be mentioned in the same breath as Forza3 when it comes to overall quality. now please stop. I almost wish the sticky was back.

theuncharted34

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Please system wars... STOP THE INSANITY!!!! GT5 fans, im sorry but you lost... its just a fact of life, GT5 is flip flip floppy, flippy to the floppy and there is nothing that can be done about it. enjoy your game and relax. almost every major review outlet likened a large majority of the cars in GT5 to that of PS2 ports. that is fact and that is sad. The game can not nor will it ever be mentioned in the same breath as Forza3 when it comes to overall quality. now please stop. I almost wish the sticky was back.

TheEroica

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

theuncharted34

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

Sorry to nitpick but dont you mean 1920 x 1080? Also I found that Forza 3 was very flexible towards being arcade like and simulation. At the end of the day I think that GT5 fell short because it was in development for 6 years and it wasnt perfect. Both games have their ups and downs but overall I'll say Forza is the better game.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

theuncharted34

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] I read it and while i believe you and I see that you are a PS3 owner, I just cant stand for the constant flooding of this forum for broken issues that just cannot be argued. Im sorry. even though I believe you that your not out for damage control, the very creation of this thread is another log on a fire that needs to be put out. its making ps3 fans seem very whiny about this issue. No matter which way you slice it, dice and chop it in to pieces, the mass media and gamespot have chosen Forza 3 by a landslide in most every aspect over GT5 in terms of quality game. so wether we want to discuss gameplay, paint shops, customizing, graphics, damage, tuning...etc... Forza is sthe champ as the overall experience, bar none, period. Lets all make a deal to let this issue die... or i'll start making threads about how i believe Haze is better than Halo... ;-) obviously kidding. but c'mon all lets relax and let this die.... PLEASE!SupraGT

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

TheEroica

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

You should give up your hobby then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkavE6EyU_4

A more fair and balanced review. They didn't jump to any conclusions yet since they said they can't review a massive game in a couple of days.

the review starts at 32:00 if you are interested.

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

SupraGT

Sooo... Constant updates applied to a game that took 5+ years to develop should fix the problems that should have been worked out during its 5+ years of development time? First you said that GT5 is technically a better simulator and a better game than Forza but its too inconsistent. You're opinion of it being a better simulator and game is fine and good but what is your opinion of Forza if a game that is still undergoing changes to fix it, a 5+ development cycle, and is too inconsistent is better than it? GT 5 failed to score better because of how the game was when it was shipped not because of hype or even its development time, although with more than 5 years it probably should have gotten at least a 9 here at GS.

You should give up your hobby then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkavE6EyU_4

A more fair and balanced review. They didn't jump to any conclusions yet since they said they can't review a massive game in a couple of days.

the review starts at 32:00 if you are interested.

SupraGT

Weird, I've watched that and I haven't heard a single mention of the game being better than Forza.

I havent played GT5 yet but going by vids Forza3 looks better overall. Some car models on GT5 look a bit better.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

TheEroica

So yes, you probably should get out of the industry or atleast re-evaluate it.

What about Kane and Lynch, Sonic? Gamespot has consistantly given those fantastic series bad reviews, and c'mon the only reason for that is that they weren't hyped, it's the same reason SMG 2 isn't GOTY.

So yes, you probably should get out of the industry or atleast re-evaluate it.

YoYo278

Wait, what?

I havent played GT5 yet but going by vids Forza3 looks better overall. Some car models on GT5 look a bit better.

PAL360

the premiums look better, couple standard models are debateable.But the rest nah :P coming from me who's pumped most of the past 2 days into forza 3, and bout 2-3weeks into GT5 :P

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I havent played GT5 yet but going by vids Forza3 looks better overall. Some car models on GT5 look a bit better.

razgriz_101

the premiums look better, couple standard models are debateable.But the rest nah :P coming from me who's pumped most of the past 2 days into forza 3, and bout 2-3weeks into GT5 :P

Humm, i believe you are exagerating! Forza3 cars look fantastic and easly the secong best this gen. Standard cars on GT5 are last gen models.

GT5 has the potential to look better, but Forza 3 is more consistent.Skittles_McGee

This, exactly.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] I read it and while i believe you and I see that you are a PS3 owner, I just cant stand for the constant flooding of this forum for broken issues that just cannot be argued. Im sorry. even though I believe you that your not out for damage control, the very creation of this thread is another log on a fire that needs to be put out. its making ps3 fans seem very whiny about this issue. No matter which way you slice it, dice and chop it in to pieces, the mass media and gamespot have chosen Forza 3 by a landslide in most every aspect over GT5 in terms of quality game. so wether we want to discuss gameplay, paint shops, customizing, graphics, damage, tuning...etc... Forza is sthe champ as the overall experience, bar none, period. Lets all make a deal to let this issue die... or i'll start making threads about how i believe Haze is better than Halo... ;-) obviously kidding. but c'mon all lets relax and let this die.... PLEASE!SupraGT

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

That said, I am really enjoying my time with GT5 but as people have already said, it's an inconsistent piece of work with some really bad game design choices.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

heretrix

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

Like what? Unless GT5 doesnt allow you to race/tune the cars, and play them on different modes/tracks, then there isnt anything "sad" about it.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] I read it and while i believe you and I see that you are a PS3 owner, I just cant stand for the constant flooding of this forum for broken issues that just cannot be argued. Im sorry. even though I believe you that your not out for damage control, the very creation of this thread is another log on a fire that needs to be put out. its making ps3 fans seem very whiny about this issue. No matter which way you slice it, dice and chop it in to pieces, the mass media and gamespot have chosen Forza 3 by a landslide in most every aspect over GT5 in terms of quality game. so wether we want to discuss gameplay, paint shops, customizing, graphics, damage, tuning...etc... Forza is sthe champ as the overall experience, bar none, period. Lets all make a deal to let this issue die... or i'll start making threads about how i believe Haze is better than Halo... ;-) obviously kidding. but c'mon all lets relax and let this die.... PLEASE!SupraGT

fair enough. Please don't make haze vs. halo threads :P

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

gaming25

Like what? Unless GT5 doesnt allow you to race/tune the cars, and play them on different modes/tracks, then there isnt anything "sad" about it.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

YoYo278

So yes, you probably should get out of the industry or atleast re-evaluate it.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

YoYo278

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Please system wars... STOP THE INSANITY!!!! GT5 fans, im sorry but you lost... its just a fact of life, GT5 is flip flip floppy, flippy to the floppy and there is nothing that can be done about it. enjoy your game and relax. almost every major review outlet likened a large majority of the cars in GT5 to that of PS2 ports. that is fact and that is sad. The game can not nor will it ever be mentioned in the same breath as Forza3 when it comes to overall quality. now please stop. I almost wish the sticky was back.

TheEroica

i'm guessing you didn't read the beggining and end of the op.

Right on Brother... Oh by the way Lair is better than Too Human.

I don't see why people complain about the menus and such.. Sure, there's a couple little quirks (i.e getting the "tickets" to get your prize cars that makes you click 3 or 4 times before getting the car, well yeah that's pretty much just pointless). But even that menu inefficiency doesn't really "bother" me and I probably never would have even thought about it but for certain reviews and people that have mentioned it as one of their major gripes with the game. I mean who really cares about menus? As far as the actual LOOK of the menus and the way they are layed out, looks pretty slick to me and modern on my HD screen. I actually like the conservative presentation, compared to the in your face presentation and narration of games like NFS: Shift and Dirt 2 (as much as I liked Dirt 2, I wish they'd get rid of that Mountain Dew/X-Games theme for Dirt 3...).

I'm sure I"m not alone in wishing that all cars were premium. But maybe some of that will be "fixed" a bit in time as more cars are made available.All I know is when driving a premium car, on one of the best tracks, certainly those high moments are about as good as it can be on a console trying to eek out as close to 1080P as it can for a racing game with such detailed car models. I don't think anything in Forza 3 can touch driving that AMG series at 1080P, especially not on the wet/rainy Nuremberg track.

On the downside, I do see occasional screen tearing and pop-ins. It's sorta like the premium car/standard car thing. Most of the time it all looks fantastic. Some tracks have a little screen tearing, some have NONE. On most tracks Pop-in is not an issue, but it was a MAJOR issue in the generic rally races where sometimes entire trees or even mountains would appear... then disappear... then appear in the distance again. It's a shame because those rally environments were some of the most awe inspiring visuals in the game if they could have made it run smoothly with the dynamic weather and lighting. But I think that was just a case of it just being too much for a current gen console to handle all of the environmental details and AMAZING lighting effects of the rally environments without some crazy optimization of the code. Even the worst moments of pop-in doesn't make the graphics a 5/10 though (IMO). The game is a 9/10 for graphics. Sometimes it's a 10/10, often times there's little technical flaws that pull it down a little, but it still looks great overall (yeah, even with the standard cars).

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I havent played GT5 yet but going by vids Forza3 looks better overall. Some car models on GT5 look a bit better.

PAL360

the premiums look better, couple standard models are debateable.But the rest nah :P coming from me who's pumped most of the past 2 days into forza 3, and bout 2-3weeks into GT5 :P

Humm, i believe you are exagerating! Forza3 cars look fantastic and easly the secong best this gen. Standard cars on GT5 are last gen models.

Im not :P theres a few inconsistancies on the interior of the Focus ST and RS (i've been in both) and the ST in GT5 is more akin to the real one :P but im not exaggerating.

Theres a few standard models that are particularly good the furai springs to mind its around Forza 2 quality and is a standard,aswell as the veyron.Then as i have said bot 10 x today theres a lot that are just pure PS2 rips.

Mind you the Veyron and Furai make an appearance in GT PSP only released around a year ago so there must be some overlap somewhere between the models GT5 and PSP developement unlike a lot of others.

Trick questions.

GT5 looks better at times, and then not better at others. I wouldn't say one definitely looks better than the other, overall.

[QUOTE="YoYo278"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] holy lord, you dont really believe that every media outlet scored it lower because of hype and development time do you? if thats how the media reviews games and not based on the disk sitting in their console tray then I have to get out of this hobby after 25 plus years, I have to hang it up.Verge_6

sonic colors is pretty good.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

YoYo278

So yes, you probably should get out of the industry or atleast re-evaluate it.

Why would someone give a good review to either Kane and Lynch or most Sonic 3d platformers exactly?

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

You should give up your hobby then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkavE6EyU_4

A more fair and balanced review. They didn't jump to any conclusions yet since they said they can't review a massive game in a couple of days.

the review starts at 32:00 if you are interested.

waltefmoney

Weird, I've watched that and I haven't heard a single mention of the game being better than Forza.

I kind of take issue with the whole "well you didn't play the whole thing" nonsense.

A. It's a racing game. Beyond the selection of cars, tracks and the way the game looks, everything that you need should pretty much be available to you at the beginning of the game.

B. In Simracing is a show all about racing. It;s all they cover so it really isn't fair to compare how they would do a review to a site that does dozen's more. They would never be able to review all of their games within a reasonable time: See: how people reacted to how long GT5's review took here at Gamespot.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

GT5 failed to score better because there was a lot of hype surrounding it and it took a long time to develop. Technically it's a better simulator than forza and a better game, but too inconsistent. Constant updates are in the work.

gaming25

Like what? Unless GT5 doesnt allow you to race/tune the cars, and play them on different modes/tracks, then there isnt anything "sad" about it.

Trick questions.

GT5 looks better at times, and then not better at others. I wouldn't say one definitely looks better than the other, overall.

UCF_Knight

To be honest forza 3 is a little to easy.

To be honest forza 3 is a little to easy.

steve8198

Wait a minute, a few hours ago you couldn't even get the name right, now you've played it?

To be honest forza 3 is a little to easy.

steve8198

GT5 even flops in overall graphics, LOL.