how do you define milking game franchise?

i always wondering people saying certain game is been "milked"

but what do you mean by "milked"

is it:

-releasing game every year

-releasing game with small change

-releasing half-complete game with DLC to complete it

-keep releasing game remake

also Which series do you think been milk heavily?

and Do you like been milked?

^ All of the above; but mostly its the first two. Heavily milked: CoD and Pokemon; and there isn't a series that I like that has been milked to the extreme.

It's generally due to a number of reasons, and you touched on a few. Personally, I don't care if a franchise is milked, so long as I enjoy the individual games.

Yearly updates with no innovations or improvements. Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk, COD, Mario Party, Ratchet and Clank.

Some games like Halo, Killzone, Twisted Metal get lots of updates also but at least they try diffeent things with the franchise. So I would not consider these milked. Over done maybe for the money, but not milked.

hmm, a yearly release, stuff like guitar hero

^ All of the above; but mostly its the first two. Heavily milked: CoD and Pokemon; and there isn't a series that I like that has been milked to the extreme.

Calvin079

I don't think pokemon is milked...since it usually takes around 4 years in between each main game in the series.To me a milked franchise wouldn be a game that is released every year,is a main game in the series,and has fairly any changes.

For example COD is 100% percent milked you can't deny that, and Final Fantasy since now Square just makes rpg's and slaps the name final fantasy on it, they kind of ruined it...final fantasy isn't really special anymore like it was in the 90's when it hit its peak with FF6 and 7 9 was really good too, but then after 10 they started milking.

^ All of the above; but mostly its the first two. Heavily milked: CoD and Pokemon; and there isn't a series that I like that has been milked to the extreme.

Calvin079

I don't think pokemon is milked...since it usually takes around 4 years in between each main game in the series.To me a milked franchise would be a game that is released every year,is a main game in the series,and has bairly any changes.

For example COD is 100% percent milked you can't deny that, and Final Fantasy since now Square just makes rpg's and slaps the name final fantasy on it, they kind of ruined it...final fantasy isn't really special anymore like it was in the 90's when it hit its peak with FF6 and 7 9 was really good too, but then after 10 they started milking.

I would say yearly releases without too much change.

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^ All of the above; but mostly its the first two. Heavily milked: CoD and Pokemon; and there isn't a series that I like that has been milked to the extreme.

Vickman178

I don't think pokemon is milked...since it usually takes around 4 years in between each main game in the series.To me a milked franchise wouldn be a game that is released every year,is a main game in the series,and has fairly any changes.

For example COD is 100% percent milked you can't deny that, and Final Fantasy since now Square just makes rpg's and slaps the name final fantasy on it, they kind of ruined it...final fantasy isn't really special anymore like it was in the 90's when it hit its peak with FF6 and 7 9 was really good too, but then after 10 they started milking.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

^ All of the above; but mostly its the first two. Heavily milked: CoD and Pokemon; and there isn't a series that I like that has been milked to the extreme.

Calvin079

I don't think pokemon is milked...since it usually takes around 4 years in between each main game in the series.To me a milked franchise wouldn be a game that is released every year,is a main game in the series,and has fairly any changes.

For example COD is 100% percent milked you can't deny that, and Final Fantasy since now Square just makes rpg's and slaps the name final fantasy on it, they kind of ruined it...final fantasy isn't really special anymore like it was in the 90's when it hit its peak with FF6 and 7 9 was really good too, but then after 10 they started milking.

^ Well, when nothing changes except the graphics and creatures, then it is a bad thing.

Oversaturating the market with Spin Off titles, aka Guitar Hero.

^ Well, when nothing changes except the graphics and creatures, then it is a bad thing.

Calvin079

I dont know...

I read a list somewhere explaining the changes from each gen to the next, and according to that list, there were a fair ammount of changes. Usually 20-30 changes between each generation. Mostly in the ruleset. Problem is, most of these changes are subtle and unless you go deep into the mechanics, you probably wont notice them.

Some major changes include: Breeding, genders, stat recalculations, traits and personalities, physical/special revamp and ofc online. The structure is the same since Red/Blue, but outside of the structure, there are plenty of differences between each gen.

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^ Well, when nothing changes except the graphics and creatures, then it is a bad thing.

Maroxad

I dont know...

I read a list somewhere, and according tothat list, there were a fair amount of changes. Usually 20-30 changes between each generation. Mostly in the ruleset. Problem is, most of these changes are subtle and unless you go deep into the mechanics, you probably wont notice them.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

^ Well, when nothing changes except the graphics and creatures, then it is a bad thing.

Calvin079

I dont know...

I read a list somewhere, and according tothat list, there were a fair amount of changes. Usually 20-30 changes between each generation. Mostly in the ruleset. Problem is, most of these changes are subtle and unless you go deep into the mechanics, you probably wont notice them.

The Metagame has changed quite a bit over the years. Playing high level pokemon is a lot different from gen 3 to gen 5. The biggest jump in metagame was from gen 2 to gen 3.

The structure remains the same, but the actual gameplay has changed quite a bit.

If we're going by the negative and extreme definition of "milk," then any game with a number or new subtitle in front of it is milked. You need to understand that milking does not automatically mean bad. If you have ever purchased a game from a franchises' series of games, you support the idea of milking.

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

I dont know...

I read a list somewhere, and according tothat list, there were a fair amount of changes. Usually 20-30 changes between each generation. Mostly in the ruleset. Problem is, most of these changes are subtle and unless you go deep into the mechanics, you probably wont notice them.

Maroxad

The Metagame has changed quite a bit over the years. Playing high level pokemon is a lot different from gen 3 to gen 5. The biggest jump in metagame was from gen 2 to gen 3.

The structure remains the same, but the actual gameplay has changed quite a bit.

If one type comes up use X type against it.

Basically what TC posted.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"] But nothing changes from what matters, the gameplay. Sure there might be little chnages like offensive moves being divided between special and physical, but it doens't change anything to the game itself. So my point still stands that nothing changes except graphics and creatures.

Calvin079

The Metagame has changed quite a bit over the years. Playing high level pokemon is a lot different from gen 3 to gen 5. The biggest jump in metagame was from gen 2 to gen 3.

The structure remains the same, but the actual gameplay has changed quite a bit.

If one type comes up use X type against it.

What you are talking about is the structure. Which has remained the same throughout the entire series.

The gameplay, which includes combat, breeding, raising, exploration, ect. That has changed over the years. The tactic you described works against the computer, but against players, that is suicide.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Metagame has changed quite a bit over the years. Playing high level pokemon is a lot different from gen 3 to gen 5. The biggest jump in metagame was from gen 2 to gen 3.

The structure remains the same, but the actual gameplay has changed quite a bit.

Maroxad

If one type comes up use X type against it.

What you are talking about is the structure. Which has remained the same throughout the entire series.

The gameplay, which includes combat, breeding, raising, exploration, ect. That has changed over the years. The tactic you described works against the computer, but against players, that is suicide.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.

Maroxad

I'd argue it's also because they make one game then split up a hand full of Pokemon available to two different versions and sell it as two games. And then a year or two later rerelease the game with some barely note worthy changes. And as of late have been just straight up remaking their games in between...

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.

vashkey

I'd argue it's also because they make one game then split up a hand full of Pokemon available to two different versions and sell it as two games. And then a year or two later rerelease the game with some barely note worthy changes. And as of late have been just straight up remaking their games in between...

I am always under the assumption that the reason for the 2 versions is to encourage trade between players. Get one, have your friends get the other version. The third version could be argued to be milking however. But I always ignored the third edition.

Now. The true definition of a mliked franchise would be The Sims and the Everquest games, especially the first. And even those two pale compared to this http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/?snr=1_4_4__13

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.

Maroxad

I'd argue it's also because they make one game then split up a hand full of Pokemon available to two different versions and sell it as two games. And then a year or two later rerelease the game with some barely note worthy changes. And as of late have been just straight up remaking their games in between...

I am always under the assumption that the reason for the 2 versions is to encourage trade between players. Get one, have your friends get the other version. The third version could be argued to be milking however. But I always ignored the third edition.

Now. The true definition of a mliked franchise would be The Sims and the Everquest games, especially the first. And even those two pale compared to this http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/?snr=1_4_4__13

Yearly updates with no innovations or improvements. Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk, COD, Mario Party, Ratchet and Clank.

Some games like Halo, Killzone, Twisted Metal get lots of updates also but at least they try diffeent things with the franchise. So I would not consider these milked. Over done maybe for the money, but not milked.

WarTornRuston

Basically what TC posted.

Demonjoe93

you mean all of them. that will be crazy milking!!

anyway IMO i dont think realeasing game every year is not milking IF they add many new thing hence why i dont think AC is not be included.

pokemon is borderline example. it each generation they add resonable new thing BUt they keep reralesing pokemon spin off and Remake

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[QUOTE="vashkey"]

I'd argue it's also because they make one game then split up a hand full of Pokemon available to two different versions and sell it as two games. And then a year or two later rerelease the game with some barely note worthy changes. And as of late have been just straight up remaking their games in between...

vashkey

I am always under the assumption that the reason for the 2 versions is to encourage trade between players. Get one, have your friends get the other version. The third version could be argued to be milking however. But I always ignored the third edition.

Now. The true definition of a mliked franchise would be The Sims and the Everquest games, especially the first. And even those two pale compared to this http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/?snr=1_4_4__13

True milking in my definition means to try to make as much money of the consumer base as possible. Usually forcing the player to buy them in order to have the full experience. A lot of sequels does not make a game more milked, on the condition that the player isnt really forced to buy them.

The Expansion pack milkage from Sims 3 (2 per year, along with 100s of dollars worth of DLC) and EverQuest (1-2 expansion packs per year), if you dont buy the latest expansion pack you will never be competitive, you are expected to pay for these along with the monthly fee.

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Metagame has changed quite a bit over the years. Playing high level pokemon is a lot different from gen 3 to gen 5. The biggest jump in metagame was from gen 2 to gen 3.

The structure remains the same, but the actual gameplay has changed quite a bit.

Maroxad

If one type comes up use X type against it.

What you are talking about is the structure. Which has remained the same throughout the entire series.

The gameplay, which includes combat, breeding, raising, exploration, ect. That has changed over the years. The tactic you described works against the computer, but against players, that is suicide.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, pokemon is milked. But it is not milked because of the main titles. It is the spin-offs that result in the series being milked.