How can gamers not appreciate MS efforts with X360?

Seriously now, give credit were credit is due, Microsoft continues to do poorly in "The Land of the Rising Sun" but maintain course and plug ahead.  Gaining more support from Japanese developers like Capcom, Tecmo, Treasure, etc.  They have helped establish a new development house by funding Mistwalker's projects.  MS is trying to pave the way with new IP's like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Blue Dragon 2 pending, Eternal Sonata, etc. 

I think it shows great committment to continue to support a region for 6 years now that continues to give you no love, simply based of the fact that the region is the supposed video game epicenter (arguable, its more like preception they are the leaders).  Posters constantly ask me why I support the Xbox platform and I point to all the effort Microsoft is putting into the industry. 

This effort is almost the direct opposite of what I see in Sony.  What I see in Sony is an industry leader who has become fat from sales and who's ego has run out of control.  Honestly, making fans wait a year to launch their new system simply because they are more concerned with a Blu-ray format, instead of their true bread and butter, which has been their games division, then it arrives at an overblown retail price for a console, shunting many of its fans that can't support the associated costs. 

Look at Sony's effort with the controller.  Fans made fun of the Boomarang, but turns out it would have been better than what comes with PS3.  Sony listened to its fans, but instead of redesigning a new controller, they go lazy and use the same design as the last 10 years, slap on a X360 dashboard button and partial sensor control ala Wiimote and pawn it off as a new controller.

I don't see Sony upstarting new development houses or all that many new IP's and I am seeing a laziness in securing exclusive titles for their brand.

Of course others can disagree or have different perspectives of what they see and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I just like the efforts of Microsoft and I appreciate what they are doing.

I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing...Shazenab

I bought ME for $200 and XP for $200... I got XP again for OEM for $100... Vista is no different.

Where do you think they get their money from to fund the production of multi billion dollar operating systems?

It wont take them long to recoup their loss... But there going to be starting a whole other operating system again. So the cycle continues.

I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing...Shazenab

Having 24 RPG, many JRPG's, 3 strategy games, all new IP's, and adventures that kill like Alan Wake, makes it a surprise comparing to xbox that had only 4 PC rpg's and one of its own, no JRPG's, no adventures that kill etc etc

Best news are that it retains it PC games ports and wrpg's, making a PC totally obsolete for some more years

Overall a wonder of a console, never have i seen such a game value in any console before

Seriously now, give credit were credit is due, Microsoft continues to do poorly in "The Land of the Rising Sun" but maintain course and plug ahead. Gaining more support from Japanese developers like Capcom, Tecmo, Treasure, etc. They have helped establish a new development house by funding Mistwalker's projects. MS is trying to pave the way with new IP's like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Blue Dragon 2 pending, Eternal Sonata, etc.

I think it shows great committment to continue to support a region for 6 years now that continues to give you no love, simply based of the fact that the region is the supposed video game epicenter (arguable, its more like preception they are the leaders). Posters constantly ask me why I support the Xbox platform and I point to all the effort Microsoft is putting into the industry.

This effort is almost the direct opposite of what I see in Sony. What I see in Sony is an industry leader who has become fat from sales and who's ego has run out of control. Honestly, making fans wait a year to launch their new system simply because they are more concerned with a Blu-ray format, instead of their true bread and butter, which has been their games division, then it arrives at an overblown retail price for a console, shunting many of its fans that can't support the associated costs.

Look at Sony's effort with the controller. Fans made fun of the Boomarang, but turns out it would have been better than what comes with PS3. Sony listened to its fans, but instead of redesigning a new controller, they go lazy and use the same design as the last 10 years, slap on a X360 dashboard button and partial sensor control ala Wiimote and pawn it off as a new controller.

I don't see Sony upstarting new development houses or all that many new IP's and I am seeing a laziness in securing exclusive titles for their brand.

Of course others can disagree or have different perspectives of what they see and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I just like the efforts of Microsoft and I appreciate what they are doing.

Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing...TheCrazed420

Seriously now, give credit were credit is due, Microsoft continues to do poorly in "The Land of the Rising Sun" but maintain course and plug ahead.  Gaining more support from Japanese developers like Capcom, Tecmo, Treasure, etc.  They have helped establish a new development house by funding Mistwalker's projects.  MS is trying to pave the way with new IP's like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Blue Dragon 2 pending, Eternal Sonata, etc. 

I think it shows great committment to continue to support a region for 6 years now that continues to give you no love, simply based of the fact that the region is the supposed video game epicenter (arguable, its more like preception they are the leaders).  Posters constantly ask me why I support the Xbox platform and I point to all the effort Microsoft is putting into the industry. 

This effort is almost the direct opposite of what I see in Sony.  What I see in Sony is an industry leader who has become fat from sales and who's ego has run out of control.  Honestly, making fans wait a year to launch their new system simply because they are more concerned with a Blu-ray format, instead of their true bread and butter, which has been their games division, then it arrives at an overblown retail price for a console, shunting many of its fans that can't support the associated costs. 

Look at Sony's effort with the controller.  Fans made fun of the Boomarang, but turns out it would have been better than what comes with PS3.  Sony listened to its fans, but instead of redesigning a new controller, they go lazy and use the same design as the last 10 years, slap on a X360 dashboard button and partial sensor control ala Wiimote and pawn it off as a new controller.

I don't see Sony upstarting new development houses or all that many new IP's and I am seeing a laziness in securing exclusive titles for their brand.

Of course others can disagree or have different perspectives of what they see and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I just like the efforts of Microsoft and I appreciate what they are doing.

Danthegamingman

im a cow and i like it, but why should i be open about it if lemmings won't even bother saying anything good about ps3. And dont say " its because theres nothing good about it" because thats a lie.

Having 24 RPG, many JRPG's, 3 strategy games, all new IP's, and adventures that kill like Alan Wake, makes it a surprise comparing to xbox that had only 4 PC rpg's and one of its own, no JRPG's, no adventures that kill etc etc

Best news are that it retains it PC games ports and wrpg's, making a PC totally obsolete for some more years

Overall a wonder of a console, never have i seen such a game value in any console before

avenger_dot

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]

Seriously now, give credit were credit is due, Microsoft continues to do poorly in "The Land of the Rising Sun" but maintain course and plug ahead.  Gaining more support from Japanese developers like Capcom, Tecmo, Treasure, etc.  They have helped establish a new development house by funding Mistwalker's projects.  MS is trying to pave the way with new IP's like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Blue Dragon 2 pending, Eternal Sonata, etc. 

I think it shows great committment to continue to support a region for 6 years now that continues to give you no love, simply based of the fact that the region is the supposed video game epicenter (arguable, its more like preception they are the leaders).  Posters constantly ask me why I support the Xbox platform and I point to all the effort Microsoft is putting into the industry. 

This effort is almost the direct opposite of what I see in Sony.  What I see in Sony is an industry leader who has become fat from sales and who's ego has run out of control.  Honestly, making fans wait a year to launch their new system simply because they are more concerned with a Blu-ray format, instead of their true bread and butter, which has been their games division, then it arrives at an overblown retail price for a console, shunting many of its fans that can't support the associated costs. 

Look at Sony's effort with the controller.  Fans made fun of the Boomarang, but turns out it would have been better than what comes with PS3.  Sony listened to its fans, but instead of redesigning a new controller, they go lazy and use the same design as the last 10 years, slap on a X360 dashboard button and partial sensor control ala Wiimote and pawn it off as a new controller.

I don't see Sony upstarting new development houses or all that many new IP's and I am seeing a laziness in securing exclusive titles for their brand.

Of course others can disagree or have different perspectives of what they see and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I just like the efforts of Microsoft and I appreciate what they are doing.

alex1889

im a cow and i like it, although with all that cash they could have made it a bit better. but why should i be open about it if lemmings won't even bother saying anything good about ps3. And dont say " its because theres nothing good about it" because thats a lie.

I didn't like the way Microsoft started attempting to buy everyone out. I thought it was shady.

As for 360.... I have nothing against the system... I just dont appreciate how most 360 supporters simply want to see the PS3 fail and throw out all sorts of false crap or only post the bad news about PS3. There is plenty of good things and good news happening around the PS3 so dont use the "There is no good news for PS3" arguement... cause that would simply be a crap lie. I think you 360 supporters should stop attempting to see PS3 fail... and keep your eyes on your own system and see if it does good.

Both PS3 and Wii are quickly catching up to the total Xbox 360 sales. Sure... 360 will continue to sell... but not nearly at the same rate that it did before there was competition.

All three systems are good systems with good games comming to them. Quit trying to hate on one for no good reason. Even if you dont want any games comming to it... that's not a reason to hate a chuck of technology.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing...FlamingFlamingo

To me, it comes down to the games and the gaming experience.  This is why I got away from PC gaming and moved to console gaming - I didn't care for the gaming experience that PC gaming brought me: constanly upgrading my hardware (RAM and Vid Cards) and having to tweak each game's setting to get it to run smoothly.  Then I got a PS2, which was fun - until I played Splinter Cell on a friend's Xbox.  Man, what a difference between the two versions.  I switched and got onto Live.  Online gaming!  With voice chat!  Great FPS's! 

With the 360, it seems that Microsoft has really taken everything they did right with the Xbox, learned from their mistakes, and really made a genuine effort to provide the best gaming experience possible.  Throw in their efforts to speedline the development process through XNA and other tools, it seems like they are also listening to developers, too.

Now take Sony.  They stand on top of the mountain looking down at their competitors.  They don't seem to do anything that is in the best interest of gaming and their users.  I do give them props for at least delivering a free online gaming service, like they said they would.  From what I hear, it isn't great, but at least it is out there and free.  After this, however, it seems that everything they do is in THEIR best interest, not OURS.

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

[QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing...Zhengi

MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. Zhengi

That's not their fault, only anti-MS people say that, it has the biggest list of upcoming RPGs of any console....

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]I love MS for the 360. But I fear I may hate them if they ever dominate the market. Just look at the Vista pricing..._Pedro_

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. Spartan070

That's not their fault, only anti-MS people say that, it has the biggest list of upcoming RPGs of any console....

To me, it comes down to the games and the gaming experience.  This is why I got away from PC gaming and moved to console gaming - I didn't care for the gaming experience that PC gaming brought me: constanly upgrading my hardware (RAM and Vid Cards) and having to tweak each game's setting to get it to run smoothly.  Then I got a PS2, which was fun - until I played Splinter Cell on a friend's Xbox.  Man, what a difference between the two versions.  I switched and got onto Live.  Online gaming!  With voice chat!  Great FPS's! 

With the 360, it seems that Microsoft has really taken everything they did right with the Xbox, learned from their mistakes, and really made a genuine effort to provide the best gaming experience possible.  Throw in their efforts to speedline the development process through XNA and other tools, it seems like they are also listening to developers, too.

Now take Sony.  They stand on top of the mountain looking down at their competitors.  They don't seem to do anything that is in the best interest of gaming and their users.  I do give them props for at least delivering a free online gaming service, like they said they would.  From what I hear, it isn't great, but at least it is out there and free.  After this, however, it seems that everything they do is in THEIR best interest, not OURS.

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

REVENGEotSITH

I'm sorry but MS and Nintendo are no different on that count.

MS is even worse than Sony when it comes to their customers best interests,just look at how they abandoned the Xbox for a start,or how about making forcing PC gamers to upgrade to Vista if teh want to play Halo2?

MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. Zhengi

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

To me, it comes down to the games and the gaming experience.  This is why I got away from PC gaming and moved to console gaming - I didn't care for the gaming experience that PC gaming brought me: constanly upgrading my hardware (RAM and Vid Cards) and having to tweak each game's setting to get it to run smoothly.  Then I got a PS2, which was fun - until I played Splinter Cell on a friend's Xbox.  Man, what a difference between the two versions.  I switched and got onto Live.  Online gaming!  With voice chat!  Great FPS's! 

With the 360, it seems that Microsoft has really taken everything they did right with the Xbox, learned from their mistakes, and really made a genuine effort to provide the best gaming experience possible.  Throw in their efforts to speedline the development process through XNA and other tools, it seems like they are also listening to developers, too.

Now take Sony.  They stand on top of the mountain looking down at their competitors.  They don't seem to do anything that is in the best interest of gaming and their users.  I do give them props for at least delivering a free online gaming service, like they said they would.  From what I hear, it isn't great, but at least it is out there and free.  After this, however, it seems that everything they do is in THEIR best interest, not OURS.

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

gsx1100

I'm sorry but MS and Nintendo are no different on that count.

MS is even worse than Sony when it comes to their customers best interests,just look at how they abandoned the Xbox for a start,or how about making forcing PC gamers to upgrade to Vista if teh want to play Halo2?

you couldn't be more wrong..

at least MS asked their customers and developers what to include in their console...

sony simply DICTATES what THEY think gamers want...

it was a wise move to abandon the xbox.. the generation's over...

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. tegovoltio

That's not their fault, only anti-MS people say that, it has the biggest list of upcoming RPGs of any console....

To me, it comes down to the games and the gaming experience.  This is why I got away from PC gaming and moved to console gaming - I didn't care for the gaming experience that PC gaming brought me: constanly upgrading my hardware (RAM and Vid Cards) and having to tweak each game's setting to get it to run smoothly.  Then I got a PS2, which was fun - until I played Splinter Cell on a friend's Xbox.  Man, what a difference between the two versions.  I switched and got onto Live.  Online gaming!  With voice chat!  Great FPS's! 

With the 360, it seems that Microsoft has really taken everything they did right with the Xbox, learned from their mistakes, and really made a genuine effort to provide the best gaming experience possible.  Throw in their efforts to speedline the development process through XNA and other tools, it seems like they are also listening to developers, too.

Now take Sony.  They stand on top of the mountain looking down at their competitors.  They don't seem to do anything that is in the best interest of gaming and their users.  I do give them props for at least delivering a free online gaming service, like they said they would.  From what I hear, it isn't great, but at least it is out there and free.  After this, however, it seems that everything they do is in THEIR best interest, not OURS.

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

REVENGEotSITH

I got the 20GB system and only paid $499.

As far as Blu-ray being mandatory... so what? Blu-ray isn't hurting the PS3...and if games are already taking up 25GBs of space... then it's not hurting the developers either. If you think it's just for copy protection... maybe it is, but look at Nintendo. Nintendo stayed with carts for N64 and mini-DVD's for GC because of copy protection. Why shouldn't Sony do something similar? At least devs are using the extra space.

Many seem to forget that the PS3 is easier to develop for then the PS2 ever was... and look at the success that the PS2 is.

I'm a PS3 owner and couldn't be more please with my purchase. I dont understand why 360 supporters dont like the PS3? It doesn't make sense to me. It's a good system with some seriously great games comming down the pipeline. If you look at it simply as a game console, it has a lot to offer (maybe it only has a couple games worth owning right now, but since when do you need 5-10 games a month to play? Does anyone have THAT much time or money? I dont.) If you look at it as a multimedia system... it has even more to offer. So what's not to like?

[QUOTE="avenger_dot"]

Having 24 RPG, many JRPG's, 3 strategy games, all new IP's, and adventures that kill like Alan Wake, makes it a surprise comparing to xbox that had only 4 PC rpg's and one of its own, no JRPG's, no adventures that kill etc etc

Best news are that it retains it PC games ports and wrpg's, making a PC totally obsolete for some more years

Overall a wonder of a console, never have i seen such a game value in any console before

_Pedro_

Yes right !!! I have both, and i still regret selling my PS1 really, but PS2 does a fine job playing old games

Anyway, i was talking for 360, a console only 1 year old, and one that had ZERO JRPG's before or more than 2-3 exclusive rpg's too !!! And a console that was thought by many as a shooter only one, when it is totally untrue, since shooters are the small fraction of 360 lineup this time

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. Tulak_Hord

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

Now take Sony.  They stand on top of the mountain looking down at their competitors.  They don't seem to do anything that is in the best interest of gaming and their users.  I do give them props for at least delivering a free online gaming service, like they said they would.  From what I hear, it isn't great, but at least it is out there and free.  After this, however, it seems that everything they do is in THEIR best interest, not OURS.

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

gsx1100

I'm sorry but MS and Nintendo are no different on that count.

MS is even worse than Sony when it comes to their customers best interests,just look at how they abandoned the Xbox for a start,or how about making forcing PC gamers to upgrade to Vista if teh want to play Halo2?

OK.  I just don't tend to like anything that Nintendo puts out, games-wise.  I will agree with you that Nintendo seems to have a very good understanding of their fan base (kids, casuals, Japanese, etc.).  Not saying that only kids and casuals play Nintendo games, but when it comes to those two demographic groups, Nintendo knows how to sell their products to those two groups. 

As far as the Vista thing - yeah, that kinda sucks for those PC gamers who want to play Halo 2, but you can also look at it as a good business strategy to try to pull people into using Vista.  Still, overall, it seems like MS really reaches out to its user base and the developers to see what they can do to make their system better.

MS is doing a great job with the x360.

XBL is amazing even if it costs money.

But what else has MS really brought to the table?

.........But I don't see how Microsoft has brought anything else to the market.Zhengi

Xbox Live.

It continues to set the standard for online console gaming.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] But what else has MS really brought to the table?

.........But I don't see how Microsoft has brought anything else to the market.LosDaddie

Xbox Live.

It continues to set the standard for online console gaming.

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. Zhengi

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

$600 console.  Mandatory Blu-Ray (which is only really there for Sony to have a level of copy protection, not to improve our gaming experience).  Hard to develop for Cell processor.

rabbidcrazy

I got the 20GB system and only paid $499.

As far as Blu-ray being mandatory... so what? Blu-ray isn't hurting the PS3...and if games are already taking up 25GBs of space... then it's not hurting the developers either. If you think it's just for copy protection... maybe it is, but look at Nintendo. Nintendo stayed with carts for N64 and mini-DVD's for GC because of copy protection. Why shouldn't Sony do something similar? At least devs are using the extra space.

Many seem to forget that the PS3 is easier to develop for then the PS2 ever was... and look at the success that the PS2 is.

I'm a PS3 owner and couldn't be more please with my purchase. I dont understand why 360 supporters dont like the PS3? It doesn't make sense to me. It's a good system with some seriously great games comming down the pipeline. If you look at it simply as a game console, it has a lot to offer (maybe it only has a couple games worth owning right now, but since when do you need 5-10 games a month to play? Does anyone have THAT much time or money? I dont.) If you look at it as a multimedia system... it has even more to offer. So what's not to like?

I'm glad you like your PS3 - really, I am.  Your reasoning is solid.  Personally, I want both the PS3 AND the 360 to be successful (with the 360 slightly ahead of the PS3).  Why?  Because I think it will help gaming, overall.  For one of these systems to "flop" would really hurt gaming as a whole and probably cause several development studios to fold. 

Do I see myself owning BOTH a PS3 and a 360?  No.  I am VERY happy with my 360 and the games that I have, the games that are coming, and the future of the console.  That, and my wife would kill me if I bought a second console :)

To me, it comes down to the price of both systems is too high to justify buying both, thus you must make a decision as to which path you want to go down.  I'm a huge fan of shooters and online play with my friends.  The 360 was the obvious choice (also given Halo 3, Gears, GRAW, RSix, Splinter Cell, COD, etc. were all on the 360).

Personally, I am getting a bit tired of the arguments here in system wars.  Bottom line - development costs are just TOO HIGH this generation that we are going to see roughly 80% of all games come out on both the 360 and the PS3.  They may not be released at the same time, but both systems will see the same games 4 out of 5 times.  So what are we arguing about?  The same handful of games (Motorstorm, MGS4, Gears, PDZ, Halo 3, etc.) over and over.  Either that, or we are arguing about some minor differences in the hardware (256 vs 512 Mb RAM, etc.) or some minor differences in multiplat games (less content in Oblivion PS3, etc.). 

To me, its getting pretty old.  System wars was fun when Sony was shooting themselves in the foot and making stupid statement after stupid statement.  Now, its just the same stuff over and over (arguing over #s sold versus #s shipped, etc.). 

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]MS really hasn't brought anything new to the table. What have they really done to garner any appreciation? It's basically the same machine with updated power and graphics. Nothing new there that hasn't been done before. They've made steps to appeal to other gamers, but they're still regarded as a shooters console. If they shed themselves of this image, then they'll become more popular. tegovoltio

That's not their fault, only anti-MS people say that, it has the biggest list of upcoming RPGs of any console....

i don't appreciate the 4-year life span of MS's system.  i don't think any gamer would like that.anklebreakr