Has There Even Been A Developer That's Fallen Off As Much As RARE?

remember their n64 run? goldeneye, perfect dark, jet force gemeni, banjo kazooie, donkey kong etc. how did they go from releasing timeless classics to making kinect games? remember how hyped microsoft's acquisition of them was? microsoft probably looks at these guys with disgust. biggest waste of money ever

Sonic Team comes to mind........

Sonic Team, John Romero and iD springs to mind.

microsoft probably looks at these guys with disgust.

black_chamber99

Microsoft's influence and the split of the Rare team are the main reasons you have today's Rare, focusing on Kinect and casual titles.

However, poor results from the investment in the studio? Well compared to the N64 era that really is arguable.

uhhhhhhhhhhh nope.... .wait nvm i found one but its more a publisherlucasarts. they have succeffully with the force unleashed game , cruddy prequels, bad cartoon(only one of the seaons was actually any good) , and making bad game decision. the last good game series they spawned has been the lego games . everything else has been crud. they r litterly sitting ontop of multi million dollar ips such as kotor,outcast/darkforces/jedi knight, tie fight, force commander/empire at war, rogue squadron,battlefront,republic commando, kotor single plasyer rpg, x-wing, those cool arcade machine games... i cant even list all of them

Square?

Sonic Team, easily.
It's a big bummer for me, Sonic used to be my favorite franchise. :(:cry:

Rare has definitely had the greatest fall from glory, but I would say that other companies that have been a bit rocky at times recently are:

Square Enix (although not completely bad and I am excited for Vs XIII)

Retro (not bad at all, but nowhere near prime 1 and 2. Prime 3 and DKCR are not up to the quality level of prime 1 and 2)

Sonic team

The viva pinata games were amazingly "FUN" something I think most people forget when concerned about best gfx and 8 hour linear super graphiced up games. Nuts and Bolts was one of the most original and funnest games I have ever played. Man was that game good. Please dont talk crap unless you own the game and have played it dont ride the bandwagon theres a reason it scored an 8.5 What about square enix? Which was one of the biggest devs in teh entire world 5 years ago has turned to trash which hasnt released a single good game this gen.psnisdoomedsoon

I played Viva Pinate for around an hour and it was so frikkin boring. If i had not payed only a dollar for it I would have been upset.

Nuts and Bolts was pretty and had a good idea going for it, but it was really shallow and boring after the first hour or so. Yes I used to own it (when I owned a 360).

[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"]The viva pinata games were amazingly "FUN" something I think most people forget when concerned about best gfx and 8 hour linear super graphiced up games. Nuts and Bolts was one of the most original and funnest games I have ever played. Man was that game good. Please dont talk crap unless you own the game and have played it dont ride the bandwagon theres a reason it scored an 8.5 What about square enix? Which was one of the biggest devs in teh entire world 5 years ago has turned to trash which hasnt released a single good game this gen.NaveedLife

I played Viva Pinate for around an hour and it was so frikkin boring. If i had not payed only a dollar for it I would have been upset.

Nuts and Bolts was pretty and had a good idea going for it, but it was really shallow and boring after the first hour or so. Yes I used to own it (when I owned a 360).

Square Enix.... JUST SAYING... lets admit it they were a lot better when they where Square Soft.

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[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"]The viva pinata games were amazingly "FUN" something I think most people forget when concerned about best gfx and 8 hour linear super graphiced up games. Nuts and Bolts was one of the most original and funnest games I have ever played. Man was that game good. Please dont talk crap unless you own the game and have played it dont ride the bandwagon theres a reason it scored an 8.5 What about square enix? Which was one of the biggest devs in teh entire world 5 years ago has turned to trash which hasnt released a single good game this gen.psnisdoomedsoon

I played Viva Pinate for around an hour and it was so frikkin boring. If i had not payed only a dollar for it I would have been upset.

Nuts and Bolts was pretty and had a good idea going for it, but it was really shallow and boring after the first hour or so. Yes I used to own it (when I owned a 360).

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

Sega does what Nintendon't... Failing.

I loved Banjo and Conker. :cry:

they've had some good games in the past like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Conquers Bad Fur Day, Killer Instinct, those were different days, sometimes wonder if they even have the resources anymore to make cutting edge next gen games though it'd be nice if they put some effort into reviving the Conkers franchiselamprey263

Donkey Kong Country, Banjo kazooie, and Star Fox Adventures as well.

[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I played Viva Pinate for around an hour and it was so frikkin boring. If i had not payed only a dollar for it I would have been upset.

Nuts and Bolts was pretty and had a good idea going for it, but it was really shallow and boring after the first hour or so. Yes I used to own it (when I owned a 360).

NaveedLife

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

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[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"] idk about you but original games are the best games for me and those 2 top the list on the 360 along with tf2psnisdoomedsoon

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

I am not saying make it a platformer, I am saying they didnt really utilize the vehicle creation system as well as they should have in the levels. Meaning they had an extroadinary idea but the goals and missions that you needed to do were bland and could have been awesome and extremely varied due to the vehicle creation system. In my mind they need to make a sequel (not that i will be able to play it lol) and do this, as it could be amazing.

Sonic Team comes to mind........

bez2083

[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

NaveedLife

I am not saying make it a platformer, I am saying they didnt really utilize the vehicle creation system as well as they should have in the levels. Meaning they had an extroadinary idea but the goals and missions that you needed to do were bland and could have been awesome and extremely varied due to the vehicle creation system. In my mind they need to make a sequel (not that i will be able to play it lol) and do this, as it could be amazing.

there have been heaps of devs who have lost their touch...but rare takes the cake from god tier devs to crap u find under ur shoe.. i think these guys have lost their touch from what i have seen and played Zipper Interactive - there last good game was socom 2 in 2003 , i hope socom 4 is awesome like the 1st 2 and not horrible like the 3rd Raven software - hexen , soldier of fortune...jedi knight, now we get singularity , wolfenstein , marvel ultimate alliance . They didnt even make the newest soldier of fortune except some other activision dev did... what the hell.. Lucas Art - this gen has been meh from them...at least on consoles anyways..campzor

Raven, mah.

Have to agree about Lucas though, but their Idiotic policy of firing people after they publish the game they worked on does not help.

[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I played Viva Pinate for around an hour and it was so frikkin boring. If i had not payed only a dollar for it I would have been upset.

Nuts and Bolts was pretty and had a good idea going for it, but it was really shallow and boring after the first hour or so. Yes I used to own it (when I owned a 360).

NaveedLife

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

Sonic Team comes to mind........

DethSkematik

AM2 was actually Sega's premiere software house for many years, Sonic Team was only a foot note, albiet a big one. AM2 history

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[QUOTE="psnisdoomedsoon"] idk about you but original games are the best games for me and those 2 top the list on the 360 along with tf2savagetwinkie

I think they both were good ideas, but utlimately lacked in the execution. They are original, but IMO originality doesnt mean much if not executed with quality. Also sometimes its games that take what has been done and master it to a point that it feels fresh and amazing. Anyway, Banjo Kazooie was far better than the bit of Viva Pinata I played, I just feel it really lacked. It could have been so much more and one of my favorite titles ever, but instead dissapointed me with its boring gameplay.

PS - TF2 is good but I am more of a CS kind of guy :P.

Rare may be turrible now, but I will always have some respect and love for them solely due to the epic games they made generations ago. Banjo Tooie is my favourite platformer of all time, and my 2nd favourite game of all time.

I voted'Microsoft ruined them' as it is the only logical choice.

Rare may be turrible now, but I will always have some respect and love for them solely due to the epic games they made generations ago. Banjo Tooie is my favourite platformer of all time, and my 2nd favourite game of all time.

I voted'Microsoft ruined them' as it is the only logical choice.

FatCatPatRat

Rare has definitely had the greatest fall from glory, but I would say that other companies that have been a bit rocky at times recently are:

Square Enix (although not completely bad and I am excited for Vs XIII)

Retro (not bad at all, but nowhere near prime 1 and 2. Prime 3 and DKCR are not up to the quality level of prime 1 and 2)

Sonic team

NaveedLife

wtf lol

You simply took the higest rated game of the last generation (metroid prime) and compared it to their new titles :p

i disagree with everything you said, and just for the record

Metroid Prime > Metroid Prime 3 > DKCR > Metroid Prime 2 ;)

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Sonic team

infinity ward

If I put on my nostalgia glasses my answer is yes.

I think rare in MS are binding their time.

lol @ people voting that they are still great. thats just sad.HailCaesarHail

I think rare in MS are binding their time.

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lol @ people voting that they are still great. thats just sad.HailCaesarHail

Rare is still a great developer. Not as great as they once were, not even close, but still great.

Sonic Team, John Romero and iD springs to mind.

Vesica_Prime

Why ID? :?

also tc, the answer is no.

Every notable developer left Rare. It's like Infinity Ward now. It is silly to wait for a good Killer Instinct of Perfect Dark game now.

Hmm, lets see, Rare's creative, quality games this gen., 1 AAA & 5 AA games... 99 out of a 100 devs would give their left arm for that kind of quality and production and this gens not even over. 8)

Next up for Rare...

:P

Didn't think much of PDZ but I liked Kameo, Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts.

Hmm, lets see, Rare's creative, quality games this gen., 1 AAA & 5 AA games... 99 out of a 100 devs would give their left arm for that kind of quality and production and this gens not even over. 8)

Next up for Rare...

:P

SecretPolice

what game was AAAe on metacritic?

for me it was Craetive Assembly. Compare Rome Total War to Medieval 2. Medieval had better graphics anda hard coded faction limit of 31, while Rome had 21, yet Rome had more little things that combined together. A wall collapsing in Rome would kill any men the debris fell on, while in medieval 2 it wouldn't. And it had more interesting graphics, buy this i mean i could actually fight at the base of the Pyramids, or when I fight infront of a river I see the bridge out side of the battle area while seeing the settlement on the other side. Or even just seeing the snow atop of mountains while fight in the mountainous regions of Bactria (Modern day Afghanistan) in a mod a cannot recall. But it was all of the little things that made Rome great.

Now we are stuck with Shogun 2 where every faction has the exact same units (okay, i can live with that), with only 12 factions (Um..........okay), no mod tools (what?!). But another blow is i don't care for Feudal Japan, if they wanted to go east oriented, a China, Japan, South East Asia setting would have been better.

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Hmm, lets see, Rare's creative, quality games this gen., 1 AAA & 5 AA games... 99 out of a 100 devs would give their left arm for that kind of quality and production and this gens not even over. 8)

Next up for Rare...

:P

theuncharted34

what game was AAAe on metacritic?

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Sonic Team, John Romero and iD springs to mind.

theuncharted34

Why ID? :?

also tc, the answer is no.

They don't really release any games anymore, and all their recent games are just disappointments compared to the predecessors. And that the iD Tech 5 engine doesn't look as groundbreaking as say the Doom, Quake, Id Tech 2, Id Tech 3, Id Tech 4 engines.

Compared to the classics such as Doom 1-2 and Quake 1-3. I think they're a shadow of their former selves.

Hmm, lets see, Rare's creative, quality games this gen., 1 AAA & 5 AA games... 99 out of a 100 devs would give their left arm for that kind of quality and production and this gens not even over. 8)

Next up for Rare...

:P

SecretPolice

This is what they need to make

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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Hmm, lets see, Rare's creative, quality games this gen., 1 AAA & 5 AA games... 99 out of a 100 devs would give their left arm for that kind of quality and production and this gens not even over. 8)

Next up for Rare...

:P

SecretPolice

what game was AAAe on metacritic?

tbh, RARE has had 2 great games this gen, and that would be banjo kazooie nuts n bolts, and kameo.

But those games are just AAe quality. I haven't playedperfect dark zero, but looking at all the reviews I have, and footage, leads me to believe it's Around AAe as well. Gamespot was just one of the very few that gave it a 9.

Viva pinata was pretty horrible in my opinion :P

so you comapare that line up with their donkey kong country games, and the games they made in the 5th generation, and really they have fell from grace pretty hard.

I still think they have potential though, they just need to be pushed in the right direction. But... that's probably never going to happen.