Gaming Consoles: Dreamcast

I think the Sega Dreamcast was the single greatest console ever made and won't be another console like it again. I also think Microsoft just remade the Dreamcast in their own vision which I think sucks compared to Dreamcast. I wrotea blog about this and that I should make a topic about this in system wars. I personally think they would've knocked out the compition if they stayed. The Half-Life would've been and exclusive as well as Virtual Fighter one of the best fighting games ever made.

The original XBOX copied the Dreamcast controller to a perfect T and a little from GameCube but no one never says anything. Yet Sony is the one who copies but really think about it?

I honestly want them (Sega) to make another console and if need be will sell the ones I have now for it. Yet that's just me.

Controllers

Sega Dreamcast

• Console
• Top of controller
• Bottom of controller
• Fron of controller

Microsoft XBOX

• console
• top view (original controller)
• top view (Controller Type-S)
• bottom view (XBOX 360)
• front view (XBOX 360)

I couldn't find a front view of the original XBOX controller but if this becomes popular enough I'll physically take one myself. Sega I salute you with highest honors.

The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.Panzer_Zwei

That and the Xbox 360.

The Dreamcast because from what I've heard and seen frommy research, the Saturn was better in everyway shape and form almost. Better controller, better third party games, more exclusives, superior to it's rivals with better 2D games, and just better games at least in my opinion.

As for the 360, I think people should travel back in time to Japan in 1994/95 or 95/96 to see what a real first two years of a consoles lifecycle should be like.

The Dreamcast is only highly regarded because it is regarded by many as better then the modern game consoles, well no crud anythings better then the modern consoles. See it wasn't the fact that the Dreamcast was amazingly good, just the fact that gaming systems today just suck. However this is all my opinion.

The Xbox and GC both had better hardware, but neither of them matched the level of uniqueness of the games that came out for the DC. From Seaman to Jet Set Radio to Shenmue to Maken X, this was a system that constantly had something going on. If Sega ever announced a Dreamcast 2, I'd buy it, day one. Plus, how cool looking was the system? And the logo? It's thinking!!!

Edit: I will say, however, that the controller was a bit on the crap side.

PS2.

Dreamcast was good but overpraised, the console has been martyrized but it was just ill fated.

The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.Panzer_Zwei

I agree.

Gamecube had my favorite games of the last gen: Eternal darkness, RE4, REmake, Metroid prime 1 & 2, Zelda WW, Smash bros., Wave race blue storm, pikmin and many, many more. SuperMario_46

With the games they cancelled a lot of them because of the discontinuing of the console it self. If it had went on the whole generation it would have killed in my opinion. Many of the best games now came from this console but got cancelled.

For hardware xbox

For games ps2

[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"]Gamecube had my favorite games of the last gen: Eternal darkness, RE4, REmake, Metroid prime 1 & 2, Zelda WW, Smash bros., Wave race blue storm, pikmin and many, many more. Some_One_Plays

With the games they cancelled a lot of them because of the discontinuing of the console it self. If it had went on the whole generation it would have killed in my opinion. Many of the best games now came from this console but got cancelled.

*If* if this if that, But in the end "it didn't happened", that's what counts.

I think pretty much everybody thought the Dreamcast had the potential to easily erase the Saturn, but in the end it didn't, and all the potential it had, all that it could've been, doesn't matter, because nothing happened.

That all the last year games were developed as multi-plats, the whole Space Channel 5/Rez DC/PS2 multi-commercials...I never was more disappointed in my life.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.Gunraidan

That and the Xbox 360.

The Dreamcast because from what I've heard and seen frommy research, the Saturn was better in everyway shape and form almost. Better controller, better third party games, more exclusives, superior to it's rivals with better 2D games, and just better games at least in my opinion.

As for the 360, I think people should travel back in time to Japan in 1994/95 or 95/96 to see what a real first two years of a consoles lifecycle should be like.

The Dreamcast is only highly regarded because it is regarded by many as better then the modern game consoles, well no crud anythings better then the modern consoles. See it wasn't the fact that the Dreamcast was amazingly good, just the fact that gaming systems today just suck. However this is all my opinion.

How is the 360 overrated? It is constantly ostracized by fanboys and the media for its horrible hardware. Its not like the 360 is getting love and praise from everyone.

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[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"]Gamecube had my favorite games of the last gen: Eternal darkness, RE4, REmake, Metroid prime 1 & 2, Zelda WW, Smash bros., Wave race blue storm, pikmin and many, many more. Panzer_Zwei

With the games they cancelled a lot of them because of the discontinuing of the console it self. If it had went on the whole generation it would have killed in my opinion. Many of the best games now came from this console but got cancelled.

*If* if this if that, But in the end "it didn't happened", that's what counts.

I think pretty much everybody thought the Dreamcast had the potential to easily erase the Saturn, but in the end it didn't, and all the potential it had, all that it could've been, doesn't matter, because nothing happened.

That all the last year games were developed as multi-plats, the whole Space Channel 5/Rez DC/PS2 multi-commercials...I never was more disappointed in my life.

So you agree it had potential? Yet I'm so wondering why people keep saying Sony copies Microsoft when the whole entire system is a copy of Dreamcast? That's a good question in my opinion.

How is the 360 overrated? It is constantly ostracized by fanboys and the media for its horrible hardware. Its not like the 360 is getting love and praise from everyone.

jackvegas21

Look around in the forums I see many people treat it like it's a God's console. Yes it is by far the best system of the three but that doesn't mean crud when the other 2 suck.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"]Gamecube had my favorite games of the last gen: Eternal darkness, RE4, REmake, Metroid prime 1 & 2, Zelda WW, Smash bros., Wave race blue storm, pikmin and many, many more. Some_One_Plays

With the games they cancelled a lot of them because of the discontinuing of the console it self. If it had went on the whole generation it would have killed in my opinion. Many of the best games now came from this console but got cancelled.

*If* if this if that, But in the end "it didn't happened", that's what counts.

I think pretty much everybody thought the Dreamcast had the potential to easily erase the Saturn, but in the end it didn't, and all the potential it had, all that it could've been, doesn't matter, because nothing happened.

That all the last year games were developed as multi-plats, the whole Space Channel 5/Rez DC/PS2 multi-commercials...I never was more disappointed in my life.

So you agree it had potential? Yet I'm so wondering why people keep saying Sony copies Microsoft when the whole entire system is a copy of Dreamcast? That's a good question in my opinion.

And I don't think the Xbox copied the Dreamcast, since it was nothing like the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast, like all SEGA consoles was based around Arcade s-tyle gaming, the Xbox was no such thing, it had no Arcade counterpart or anything like it.

I do believe that Peter Moore used the Dreamcast as a stepping stone foir the Xbox, seeing how MS tried to screw SEGA over and probably MS hiring him was his reward for selling out his former company.

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"]Gamecube had my favorite games of the last gen: Eternal darkness, RE4, REmake, Metroid prime 1 & 2, Zelda WW, Smash bros., Wave race blue storm, pikmin and many, many more. Panzer_Zwei

With the games they cancelled a lot of them because of the discontinuing of the console it self. If it had went on the whole generation it would have killed in my opinion. Many of the best games now came from this console but got cancelled.

*If* if this if that, But in the end "it didn't happened", that's what counts.

I think pretty much everybody thought the Dreamcast had the potential to easily erase the Saturn, but in the end it didn't, and all the potential it had, all that it could've been, doesn't matter, because nothing happened.

That all the last year games were developed as multi-plats, the whole Space Channel 5/Rez DC/PS2 multi-commercials...I never was more disappointed in my life.

So you agree it had potential? Yet I'm so wondering why people keep saying Sony copies Microsoft when the whole entire system is a copy of Dreamcast? That's a good question in my opinion.

And I don't think the Xbox copied the Dreamcast, since it was nothing like the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast, like all SEGA consoles was based around Arcade s-tyle gaming, the Xbox was no such thing, it had no Arcade counterpart or anything like it.

I do believe that Peter Moore used the Dreamcast as a stepping stone foir the Xbox, seeing how MS tried to screw SEGA over and probably MS hiring him was his reward for selling out his former company.

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.Panzer_Zwei

*looks at post*

*looks at sig*

What?

Between the xbox and the ps2 for me.. Why can't we vote for 2..user_nat

Because there can only be one number one.

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

Some_One_Plays

The Dreamcast controller was even worse that the Saturn 3D controller, the ergonomics plain sucked, it had 2 buttons less than the Saturn controller, and the worst pad in a SEGA system ever, the whole controller was terrible designed for the mayority of games it was pre-destined to get, so if MS copied that I wouldn't say it's a plus.

But that they may have copied a controller design is trivial, when both consoles were abyssmally different at their core, the Dreamcast focused on totally different games that the Xbox, Dreamcast was Arcade, it had the Naomi, the Xbox was nothing like the Dreamcast, at all.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.organic_machine

*looks at post*

*looks at sig*

What?

You should re-read the sig. ;)Panzer_Zwei

Woah, I never actually read it before. :shock:

*slams head*

Whoops. Well, I guess, even if I HAD read it, I would probably think you were serious. Only due to the fact the people on SW say outrageous things. :?

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

Panzer_Zwei

The Dreamcast controller was even worse that the Saturn 3D controller, the ergonomics plain sucked, it had 2 buttons less than the Saturn controller, and the worst pad in a SEGA system ever, the whole controller was terrible designed for the mayority of games it was pre-destined to get, so if MS copied that I wouldn't say it's a plus.

But that they may have copied a controller design is trivial, when both consoles were abyssmally different at their core, the Dreamcast focused on totally different games that the Xbox, Dreamcast was Arcade, it had the Naomi, the Xbox was nothing like the Dreamcast, at all.

The Dreamcast had Virtual Fighter, Half-Life, Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Shenmue, Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dead or Alive 2, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights and many more. If it went on these most likely would have been exclusives and some now are popular today as we speak. With the controller thing that could have been easily fixed Sony made a new controller 1997 adding a new joystick so that means nothing to me. The only reason people aren't saying it wasn't good because they stopped many things on it but you wouldn't be saying that if it was still out selling games like the PlayStation 2 right now.

The original XBOX copied the Dreamcast controller to a perfect T

and a little from GameCube but no one never says anything

Some_One_Plays

Guess they didn't copy the Dreamcast controller to a perfet T because the Dreamcast and Gamecube controllers have nothing similar other then their start button placement. Joysticks and D-Pads are in different areas. Nintendo has three shoulder buttons and those trigger/button things, Gamecube didn't have the standard face button setup.

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

The original XBOX copied the Dreamcast controller to a perfect T

and a little from GameCube but no one never says anything

Blackbond

Guess they didn't copy the Dreamcast controller to a perfet T because the Dreamcast and Gamecube controllers have nothing similar other then their start button placement. Joysticks and D-Pads are in different areas. Nintendo has three shoulder buttons and those trigger/button things, Gamecube didn't have the standard face button setup.

lol, I was talking about the placement of the joysticks and D-pad on the GameCube. On the Dreamcast the whole design of the controller. Even Wikipedia says it was similar to those controllers as well.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

Some_One_Plays

The Dreamcast controller was even worse that the Saturn 3D controller, the ergonomics plain sucked, it had 2 buttons less than the Saturn controller, and the worst pad in a SEGA system ever, the whole controller was terrible designed for the mayority of games it was pre-destined to get, so if MS copied that I wouldn't say it's a plus.

But that they may have copied a controller design is trivial, when both consoles were abyssmally different at their core, the Dreamcast focused on totally different games that the Xbox, Dreamcast was Arcade, it had the Naomi, the Xbox was nothing like the Dreamcast, at all.

The Dreamcast had Virtual Fighter, Half-Life, Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Shenmue, Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dead or Alive 2, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights and many more. If it went on these most likely would have been exclusives and some now are popular today as we speak. With the controller thing that could have been easily fixed Sony made a new controller 1997 adding a new joystick so that means nothing to me. The only reason people aren't saying it wasn't good because they stopped many things on it but you wouldn't be saying that if it was still out selling games like the PlayStation 2 right now.

Yeah, the Dreamcast COULD have been a great system, it had a lot of potential, but it DIED. All the potential in the world means nothing when the company drops support.

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

MetroidPrimePwn

The Dreamcast controller was even worse that the Saturn 3D controller, the ergonomics plain sucked, it had 2 buttons less than the Saturn controller, and the worst pad in a SEGA system ever, the whole controller was terrible designed for the mayority of games it was pre-destined to get, so if MS copied that I wouldn't say it's a plus.

But that they may have copied a controller design is trivial, when both consoles were abyssmally different at their core, the Dreamcast focused on totally different games that the Xbox, Dreamcast was Arcade, it had the Naomi, the Xbox was nothing like the Dreamcast, at all.

The Dreamcast had Virtual Fighter, Half-Life, Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Shenmue, Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dead or Alive 2, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights and many more. If it went on these most likely would have been exclusives and some now are popular today as we speak. With the controller thing that could have been easily fixed Sony made a new controller 1997 adding a new joystick so that means nothing to me. The only reason people aren't saying it wasn't good because they stopped many things on it but you wouldn't be saying that if it was still out selling games like the PlayStation 2 right now.

Yeah, the Dreamcast COULD have been a great system, it had a lot of potential, but it DIED. All the potential in the world means nothing when the company drops support.

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

But that's my point that fact that it could have taken everyones money that's the whole point of my blog / post. So you're saying it's a stepping stone it's exactly the same controller only with two extra buttons and a joystick. If you think it was a stepping stone you're sadly misstaken. I would consider a stepping stone a another version of the VMU (Visual Memory Unit) for like game like football. Using the screen on the controller to pick your plays, or play poker games etc. That would have been a stepping stone. It even had mini games on that thing too so having downloads to that think and playing it in colour is a stepping stone. What they did was just copy.

MetroidPrimePwn

The Dreamcast controller was even worse that the Saturn 3D controller, the ergonomics plain sucked, it had 2 buttons less than the Saturn controller, and the worst pad in a SEGA system ever, the whole controller was terrible designed for the mayority of games it was pre-destined to get, so if MS copied that I wouldn't say it's a plus.

But that they may have copied a controller design is trivial, when both consoles were abyssmally different at their core, the Dreamcast focused on totally different games that the Xbox, Dreamcast was Arcade, it had the Naomi, the Xbox was nothing like the Dreamcast, at all.

The Dreamcast had Virtual Fighter, Half-Life, Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Shenmue, Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dead or Alive 2, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights and many more. If it went on these most likely would have been exclusives and some now are popular today as we speak. With the controller thing that could have been easily fixed Sony made a new controller 1997 adding a new joystick so that means nothing to me. The only reason people aren't saying it wasn't good because they stopped many things on it but you wouldn't be saying that if it was still out selling games like the PlayStation 2 right now.

Yeah, the Dreamcast COULD have been a great system, it had a lot of potential, but it DIED. All the potential in the world means nothing when the company drops support.

It WAS a great system, just only for a few years. But those few years that it was in production, the Dreamcast had a pretty varied and quality lineup.

Haven't played a game since PSO that I've enjoyedquite so much.Probably because I don't play online anymore as its too 'life absorbing'. The controller wasn't so bad once you got used to it - same as any other controller really.

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

Some_One_Plays

Most of the Dreamcast systems were sold at mass clearance sales, at less than half it's original price, high piracy killed the already low software sales, and to finally kill it, it also failed in Japan.

Nobody bought the Dreamcast or it's games when it counted, a shame really.

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That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

Panzer_Zwei

Most of the Dreamcast systems were sold at mass clearance sales, at less than half it's original price, high piracy killed the already low software sales, and to finally kill it, it also failed in Japan.

Nobody bought the Dreamcast or it's games when it counted.

Finally I'm gettig somewhere, so do you think this happened because no one really knew much about it? Why do you think it failed making a profit? I don't think piracy was the main cause because that's what made the PlayStation 2so popular because it was easy to pick up games. I know a lot a people who souly bought the PlayStation 2 to buy burned / copiedgames.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

Some_One_Plays

Most of the Dreamcast systems were sold at mass clearance sales, at less than half it's original price, high piracy killed the already low software sales, and to finally kill it, it also failed in Japan.

Nobody bought the Dreamcast or it's games when it counted.

Finally I'm gettig somewhere, so do you think this happened because no one really knew much about it? Why do you think it failed making a profit? I don't think piracy was the main cause because that's what made the PlayStation 2so popular because it was easy to pick up games. I know a lot a people who souly bought the PlayStation 2 to buy burned / copiedgames.

I think one of the biggest problems was that a lot of people were waiting for the PS2, in the hopes that it would be a more powerful system. If you think about it, this was one of the reasons the PS3 sold so well at launch; Sony does an excellent job of hyping the hell out of their systems, until the masses believe it is the console to get. A lot of people started gaming with FFVII and the like, and so their next logical system would be the PS2. Also, public opinion of Sega was fairly low at the time of the Dreamcast (many expected it to instantly fail),considering the32X and Sega CD had bombed, and the Saturn was an extremely expensive system without the library of the PS1.Add to that the fact that 3rd party devs were also holding back a good deal for the PS2, and you cansee why the Dreamcast failed.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

Some_One_Plays

Most of the Dreamcast systems were sold at mass clearance sales, at less than half it's original price, high piracy killed the already low software sales, and to finally kill it, it also failed in Japan.

Nobody bought the Dreamcast or it's games when it counted.

Finally I'm gettig somewhere, so do you think this happened because no one really knew much about it? Why do you think it failed making a profit? I don't think piracy was the main cause because that's what made the PlayStation 2so popular because it was easy to pick up games. I know a lot a people who souly bought the PlayStation 2 to buy burned / copiedgames.

And SEGA wasn't in the same position as Sony, when you aren't either selling consoles, or software, then you're in serious trouble. IIRC, when Shenmue released, the sales expectations for the game required all Dreamcast owners to buy the game 2 times, since there were so little Dreamcast users.

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

SeanBond

Most of the Dreamcast systems were sold at mass clearance sales, at less than half it's original price, high piracy killed the already low software sales, and to finally kill it, it also failed in Japan.

Nobody bought the Dreamcast or it's games when it counted.

You know the funny thing is the Nintendo 64 launched with two games and is still in the game but Sony had just barely a handfull with low sales. I find that very interesting and still wonder what the hell do gamers want in the first place?

Finally I'm gettig somewhere, so do you think this happened because no one really knew much about it? Why do you think it failed making a profit? I don't think piracy was the main cause because that's what made the PlayStation 2so popular because it was easy to pick up games. I know a lot a people who souly bought the PlayStation 2 to buy burned / copiedgames.

I think one of the biggest problems was that a lot of people were waiting for the PS2, in the hopes that it would be a more powerful system. If you think about it, this was one of the reasons the PS3 sold so well at launch; Sony does an excellent job of hyping the hell out of their systems, until the masses believe it is the console to get. A lot of people started gaming with FFVII and the like, and so their next logical system would be the PS2. Also, public opinion of Sega was fairly low at the time of the Dreamcast (many expected it to instantly fail),considering the32X and Sega CD had bombed, and the Saturn was an extremely expensive system without the library of the PS1.Add to that the fact that 3rd party devs were also holding back a good deal for the PS2, and you cansee why the Dreamcast failed.

I find it interesting that the Nintendo 64 launched with two games yet the PlayStation 3 just barely a handful of games with low sales. I just wounder sometimes what do gamers really want?

hmm, no? the dreamcast controller is very uncomfortable, simply because there's not enough space. the two triggers at the back are badly positioned. the phalanxes of my index fingers hit against the side of the memory slots and its awkward. it's funny how you didn't show pictures of the back of the xbox controllers because you are aware of such flaw.johncraven

If you're talking about the original XBOX I couldn't find one but if I need to I will physically take one to post.

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

Some_One_Plays

Honestly, IMO, Sony killed it. There were other issues, piracy, the lack of western support. However the system was HUGE in Japan, games were released for it 2 and 3 years after the system was already dead.

Honestly at the time when people should have bought it, they were all "waiting for PS2". You spoke of DC to people and the general response was "PS2 will be out in a year and blow it out of the water". Very few people even gave it a chance.

Honestly I miss the Sega innovativness. Sega was ALWAYS a generation before it's time and underappreciated. They were the first to really delve into online (other systems including SNES and genesis had online support through special modems but mostly only in Japan). They had the Sega channel, which was basically an early entry into downloadable content. Hell even the DC had the Dream Eye (Japan only) which included a camera and headset for video chat online.

ALL the other systems seem to be playing catch up to what Sega invisioned 10 years ago.

I think one of the biggest problems was that a lot of people were waiting for the PS2, in the hopes that it would be a more powerful system. If you think about it, this was one of the reasons the PS3 sold so well at launch; Sony does an excellent job of hyping the hell out of their systems, until the masses believe it is the console to get. A lot of people started gaming with FFVII and the like, and so their next logical system would be the PS2. Also, public opinion of Sega was fairly low at the time of the Dreamcast (many expected it to instantly fail),considering the32X and Sega CD had bombed, and the Saturn was an extremely expensive system without the library of the PS1.Add to that the fact that 3rd party devs were also holding back a good deal for the PS2, and you cansee why the Dreamcast failed.

SeanBond

The Saturn might not have had the amount of games the Playstation got, but it got more games than the N64. It got a more than suitable library, and it got by with it in Japan.

Third party was more alienated with the fact that SEGA decided to kill the Saturn so soon, than because they were waiting to make games for the Playstation 2, since regardless of how successful the Playstation was, they still were supporting the Saturn.

[QUOTE="Some_One_Plays"]

That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

_koolgirl_

Honestly, IMO, Sony killed it. There were other issues, piracy, the lack of western support. However the system was HUGE in Japan, games were released for it 2 and 3 years after the system was already dead.

Honestly at the time when people should have bought it, they were all "waiting for PS2". You spoke of DC to people and the general response was "PS2 will be out in a year and blow it out of the water". Very few people even gave it a chance.

Honestly I miss the Sega innovativness. Sega was ALWAYS a generation before it's time and underappreciated. They were the first to really delve into online (other systems including SNES and genesis had online support through special modems but mostly only in Japan). They had the Sega channel, which was basically an early entry into downloadable content. Hell even the DC had the Dream Eye (Japan only) which included a camera and headset for video chat online.

ALL the other systems seem to be playing catch up to what Sega invisioned 10 years ago.

I know I mentioned that in my blog a little but I agree with you completely. Even some people say the Sony PlayStation 3is a ahead with specs and no one cares about blu-ray or hd dvds. It's just so interesting how things turn out when you have it all.

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That's my point why would a company drop something like that does anyone know why they did it in the first place? To me something must have happened because it doesn't make sense why they would drop it and leave it in the dust like that?

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Honestly, IMO, Sony killed it. There were other issues, piracy, the lack of western support. However the system was HUGE in Japan, games were released for it 2 and 3 years after the system was already dead.

Honestly at the time when people should have bought it, they were all "waiting for PS2". You spoke of DC to people and the general response was "PS2 will be out in a year and blow it out of the water". Very few people even gave it a chance.

Honestly I miss the Sega innovativness. Sega was ALWAYS a generation before it's time and underappreciated. They were the first to really delve into online (other systems including SNES and genesis had online support through special modems but mostly only in Japan). They had the Sega channel, which was basically an early entry into downloadable content. Hell even the DC had the Dream Eye (Japan only) which included a camera and headset for video chat online.

ALL the other systems seem to be playing catch up to what Sega invisioned 10 years ago.

And yeah, games are still coming, out...average SHMUPS Naomi ports.

The Dreamcast has to be the most overrated console in here, period.Panzer_Zwei

If it was that great it wouldn't have kicked the bucket so early.

the xbox controller is much better than the dreamcast one (more comfortable). The dreamcast console is not wide enough, it feels like you're being handcuffed. This is coming from a guy who spent hours in a row on shenmue, jet set radio and whatnot.

[QUOTE="johncraven"]hmm, no? the dreamcast controller is very uncomfortable, simply because there's not enough space. the two triggers at the back are badly positioned. the phalanxes of my index fingers hit against the side of the memory slots and its awkward. it's funny how you didn't show pictures of the back of the xbox controllers because you are aware of such flaw.Some_One_Plays

If you're talking about the original XBOX I couldn't find one but if I need to I will physically take one to post.

the xbox controller is much better than the dreamcast one (more comfortable). The dreamcast console is not wide enough, it feels like you're being handcuffed. This is coming from a guy who spent hours in a row on shenmue, jet set radio and whatnot.

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Nice picture but to tell you the truth the Dreamcast controller didn't bother me at all. I have heard people complaining about the GameCube controller but I that didn't bother me as well. So far there hasn't been a controller I've touched complained about.

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[QUOTE="johncraven"]hmm, no? the dreamcast controller is very uncomfortable, simply because there's not enough space. the two triggers at the back are badly positioned. the phalanxes of my index fingers hit against the side of the memory slots and its awkward. it's funny how you didn't show pictures of the back of the xbox controllers because you are aware of such flaw.akuma303x

If you're talking about the original XBOX I couldn't find one but if I need to I will physically take one to post.

lol, my views are twisted Mircosoft is known to take ideas from other companies and get popular from it. Like the OS (Operating System) they took ideas from Apple yet Mircosoft is the more popular one. Yet you can't get viruses on the Mac but have no games so it all depends I guess. My views aren't twisted because it's different from yours. If Microsoft were to perfect this it would have kept that screen on the controller and used it for games. Do you know how cool that would be to have a screen there to do things while playing a game. Yet again my ideas might be to ahead for this time to work the way I want it to.