Forgot AAAEs! The real thing that is holding back the PS3 is...

The price. Plain and simple. Why is the Wii selling so well? It is the cheapest console. Do you think Joe casual walks into Best Buy screaming, "OMG, teh PS3 haz NO AAAE!!" Looking at a 40 GB PS3 ($399) next to a Pro and Arcade 360 ($349 + $279 respectively) next to a Wii ($249) makes it seem like a bad move to purchase a 360.Sure, Live and the innovation of the Wii are also selling points, but the largest factor is the price.

An anyalist predicts the PS3 to win the war in the end. AFTER A SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION. Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9948454-52.html

Also, Advertising is a massive part. Why is a Xbox 360 logo flashing by for multiplat games like GTA IV and Assassins Creed. It gives the assumption that the game is exclusive to the system.

Anyway that is my opinion. I am not a lemming. I only have a ps3 and would gladly provide pics as proof.

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

Wii is selling because it appeals to everyone, 360 appeals to many gamers, and PS3 has mainly been surviving off of the Sony fans, but is starting to pick up more steam with other gamers.

The price. Plain and simple. Why is the Wii selling so well? It is the cheapest console. Do you think Joe casual walks into Best Buy screaming, "OMG, teh PS3 haz NO AAAE!!" Looking at a 40 GB PS3 ($399) next to a Pro and Arcade 360 ($349 + $279 respectively) next to a Wii ($249) makes it seem like a bad move to purchase a 360.Sure, Live and the innovation of the Wii are also selling points, but the largest factor is the price.

An anyalist predicts the PS3 to win the war in the end. AFTER A SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION. Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9948454-52.html

Also, Advertising is a massive part. Why is a Xbox 360 logo flashing by for multiplat games like GTA IV and Assassins Creed. It gives the assumption that the game is exclusive to the system.

Anyway that is my opinion. I am not a lemming. I only have a ps3 and would gladly provide pics as proof.

jtdawg23

Yup, the same with the 360. The first to drop to mass market prices will get the drop on the other. Listen up MS your missing your chance.

In the UK you can get a Premium 360 for the same price as a Wii.

Yet the Wii is still selling better.

The price. Plain and simple. Why is the Wii selling so well? It is the cheapest console. Do you think Joe casual walks into Best Buy screaming, "OMG, teh PS3 haz NO AAAE!!" Looking at a 40 GB PS3 ($399) next to a Pro and Arcade 360 ($349 + $279 respectively) next to a Wii ($249) makes it seem like a bad move to purchase a 360.Sure, Live and the innovation of the Wii are also selling points, but the largest factor is the price.

An anyalist predicts the PS3 to win the war in the end. AFTER A SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION. Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9948454-52.html

Also, Advertising is a massive part. Why is a Xbox 360 logo flashing by for multiplat games like GTA IV and Assassins Creed. It gives the assumption that the game is exclusive to the system.

Anyway that is my opinion. I am not a lemming. I only have a ps3 and would gladly provide pics as proof.

jtdawg23

I seen more blu ray dvd comercials than PS3 games comercials, also I've been seeing the PS3 version of GTA IV comercials than the 360 version.

And yes the price is the PS3's downfall. No matter how many times they lower the price and how low the price they can make it, the competition can always lower their prices as many times and still be lower than the PS3 at any given time.

In the UK you can get a Premium 360 for the same price as a Wii.

Yet the Wii is still selling better.

AdolescentDon

The Wii is still going to win of course but the PS3 or Xbox would sell allot better at a much lower price.

I agree about the advertisments. I can count the Playstation ads on one hand for all TVchannels. The 360 and Wii have far more ads where I live.

What's holding back the PS3 is the lack of accessibility. The 360 has captured the hardcore market and the Wii has the casual market leaving the PS3 to fend for itself or find some middle ground.

Price is a factor, but we've seen the more expensive console beat the cheaper competitors.

i have yet to see a single GTA4 commercial with an 360 logo. :?lawlessx

Its the opposite for me lol

i have yet to see a single GTA4 commercial with an 360 logo. :?lawlessx

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

metroidfood

What year do you think thsi is? 2010?

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

xsubtownerx

What year do you think thsi is? 2010?

He meants day to day sales, not installbase :|

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

thrones

What year do you think thsi is? 2010?

He meants day to day sales, not installbase :|

He probably meant tha butt-kicking 360 recieved from Nov/Dec. onwards.

Price and exclusive games is holding it back. Sony will need X360 owners to own the PS3 eventually as well (at least a lot of them here in the US). That's why exclusives that sale the console are VERY important to this crowd.....why shoudl they buy the PS3 for a game they can get on a console they already own?

MGS4 is probably the most important game for the PS3 this year. It's important to give X360 owners a reason to want a PS3....mutliplats just don't do it.

Sony just needs to tout more on the "Blu-ray" feature on the Playstation 3; that's truly all they have.Stevo_the_gamer

Ah, the fanboyism is strong in you I see.

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

Wii is selling because it appeals to everyone, 360 appeals to many gamers, and PS3 has mainly been surviving off of the Sony fans, but is starting to pick up more steam with other gamers.

metroidfood

The price. Plain and simple. Why is the Wii selling so well? It is the cheapest console. Do you think Joe casual walks into Best Buy screaming, "OMG, teh PS3 haz NO AAAE!!" Looking at a 40 GB PS3 ($399) next to a Pro and Arcade 360 ($349 + $279 respectively) next to a Wii ($249) makes it seem like a bad move to purchase a 360.Sure, Live and the innovation of the Wii are also selling points, but the largest factor is the price.

An anyalist predicts the PS3 to win the war in the end. AFTER A SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION. Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9948454-52.html

Also, Advertising is a massive part. Why is a Xbox 360 logo flashing by for multiplat games like GTA IV and Assassins Creed. It gives the assumption that the game is exclusive to the system.

Anyway that is my opinion. I am not a lemming. I only have a ps3 and would gladly provide pics as proof.

jtdawg23

do you have a marketing degree or something. you guys kill me thinking you know how to run a company. sony is doing fine quit reaching.

PS3 Logo Flashes for GTA in Canada.EVOLV3

Yup, I assumed it was like that everywhere, it says Playstation 3 on a black screen at the end of all gta iv ads in Canada.

PS3 Logo Flashes for GTA in Canada.EVOLV3

nope, i live in Ontario. It says "download exclusive episodes fall 2008" and shows the 360 logo at the end. Never once saw a gta commercial with PS3 logo.

Sony needs to point out the PS3 is a blu ray player more.

I've seen lots of people thinking about buying Blu Ray players, and their kids (or them) wanting a PS3. People just aren't well informed :P

aahaha i agree with TC a lot. You think the average consumer cares about AAAE? A game like Oblivion, BioShock or whatever do well on gaming sites, but dont sell too well

I think TC is also wrong though,,, although you cant compare the PS3/360 to Wii's price,, most consumers are smart enough to realize that the PS3 having Blu Ray is a great feature. A LOT of ppls first DVD players were PS2's (myself included), and i could see the same argument goin for PS3. When you figure in the cost for XBL every year,, play and charge kit,,, wireless adapter (all essentials in my books),,, the PS3 comes off as a steal why the 360 is overpriced considering the lack of all the features the PS3 has out of the box + lack of blu ray support. A lot of people are buying PS3's now over 360 simply because its the better deal. To the average consumer,, the main selling games are multiplats like COD4, GTA4, AC etc,, AAAE's dont mean that much at the end of the day. Hell, i think most people are sold on buying a PS3 when they see a demonstration of GT5P or Uncharted in stores on a plasma/LCD tv

It's obviously more than just the price. It's been lowered by $200 over the last year and a half, and it's still selling less than 200K a month. Many people must just not like the console.Super-Mario-Fan

When you factor in that the cheapest SKU has a larger hard drive than MS cheapest and it also has Blu Ray built in Wi-Fi, controllers that you can charge and play at the same time wtihout buying an extra thing for. The extra 50 bucks isn't that bad. Plus with the 360 factor in Live and if you want a larger HDD you have to pay for MS' not any brand you want the PS3 is chaeper in the long run.whackedjob213

True, but unfortunatly for cows not many people care. Besides Blu-ray is over hyped and really not that great. The built in wi-fi for PS3 is pretty ****** (Speaking from expierence anyway) and with the PS3's "larger" hardrive being eaten rather quickly once 4 or 5 games have been preinstalled it pretty much voids that advantage out. See Sony wasn't stupid and knew the Blu-ray drive was only a 1x speed rom and to counteract that games would need to be preinstalled in order to run quicker and reduce the load times thus offering larger HDD since games eat anywhere from 2 to 10 gigs.

[QUOTE="whackedjob213"]When you factor in that the cheapest SKU has a larger hard drive than MS cheapest and it also has Blu Ray built in Wi-Fi, controllers that you can charge and play at the same time wtihout buying an extra thing for. The extra 50 bucks isn't that bad. Plus with the 360 factor in Live and if you want a larger HDD you have to pay for MS' not any brand you want the PS3 is chaeper in the long run.thegame1980

True, but no one cares unfortunatly for cows. Besides Blu-ray is over hyped and really not that great, built in wi-fi isn't that great either not to mention the one in the PS3 is pretty ****** (Speaking from expierence anyway) and with the PS3's "larger" hardrive being eating rather quickly once 4 or 5 games have been preinstalled it pretty much voids that out. Sony wasn't stupid and knew the Blu-ray drive was only a 1x speed rom and to counteract that games would need to be preinstalled in order to run quicker and reduce the load times thus offering larger HDD since games eat anywhere from 2 to 10 gigs.

you make a lot of great points, with a lot of proof and facts to back them up /sarcasm

bluray is overhyped? ok, that makes a lot of sense. Explain to me how? Considering if you want a hi def experience for movies, you dont really have a better option? wifi isnt that great? not everybody wants ethernet cables running through their house, thats tacky and a pain in the ass. My PS3's wifi connection is far better than my laptops,, you must just have a bad connection, dont generalize. Your HDD complaint is valid, but as long as I keep deleting my demos and stuff i can always fit room on my 40GB for the installations,,, you can always delete the game data (and not the saves) to save space if you dont plan on playin the game for a while. Whatever, you get HDD's for decently cheap these days, so when it actually becomes a problem I'll address it

By the way, why do you own a PS3 when youre clearly a ragin lemming?

I think the high price actually may help Sony in the end. It has obviously crippled what could have been a sales explosion early in the console's lifetime, but I think the fact that it's expensive gives it a certain product image in the mind of the consumer, if perhaps only the "non-hardcore" consumer. "It's expensive? It must be great! I'll get one when I can afford it."

Whereas the 360, in the mainstream view, comes across as cheap electronics with the reported hardware problems, etc. The way it looks kind of feeds into this image, I think.

In my opinion, obviously.

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

If price was as much of a factor as you make it out to be the 360 wouldn't be as far behind the PS3 as it is now.

Wii is selling because it appeals to everyone, 360 appeals to many gamers, and PS3 has mainly been surviving off of the Sony fans, but is starting to pick up more steam with other gamers.

delta3074

the only thing the Ps3 is winning is last placevicmackey39

Unless you own shares in M$, why do you care? Its pretty low when consumers on internet forums always like to refer to sales charts/pie graphs to settle an argument. We're gamers, we play the games,,,, and Sony/M$/Nintendo make money off of US, so why do you care

[QUOTE="whackedjob213"]When you factor in that the cheapest SKU has a larger hard drive than MS cheapest and it also has Blu Ray built in Wi-Fi, controllers that you can charge and play at the same time wtihout buying an extra thing for. The extra 50 bucks isn't that bad. Plus with the 360 factor in Live and if you want a larger HDD you have to pay for MS' not any brand you want the PS3 is chaeper in the long run.thegame1980

True, but unfortunatly for cows not many people care. Besides Blu-ray is over hyped and really not that great. The built in wi-fi for PS3 is pretty ****** (Speaking from expierence anyway) and with the PS3's "larger" hardrive being eaten rather quickly once 4 or 5 games have been preinstalled it pretty much voids that advantage out. See Sony wasn't stupid and knew the Blu-ray drive was only a 1x speed rom and to counteract that games would need to be preinstalled in order to run quicker and reduce the load times thus offering larger HDD since games eat anywhere from 2 to 10 gigs.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]the only thing the Ps3 is winning is last placesignore

Unless you own shares in M$, why do you care? Its pretty low when consumers on internet forums always like to refer to sales charts/pie graphs to settle an argument. We're gamers, we play the games,,,, and Sony/M$/Nintendo make money off of US, so why do you care

I don't care, I'm just pointing out the obvious

cows have no right to talk about winning the console war when they're trailin g in last place and have such a terrible software library

[QUOTE="signore"]

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]the only thing the Ps3 is winning is last placevicmackey39

Unless you own shares in M$, why do you care? Its pretty low when consumers on internet forums always like to refer to sales charts/pie graphs to settle an argument. We're gamers, we play the games,,,, and Sony/M$/Nintendo make money off of US, so why do you care

I don't care, I'm just pointing out the obvious

cows have no right to talk about winning the console war when they're trailin g in last place and have such a terrible software library

all thanx to that year head start because sony wiped the floor with m$ in 07 worldwide sales and is looking to possibly do much worse to m$ (thanx to that triumph over the 360 in europe and the struggle that the ps3 is putting up with the 360 in NA that wasn't present in 07) this year. Have a good day sir
ermacness

so what?

It's capitalism. Microsoft were smart to release a year early, Sony were dumb to release their unfinished bucket of PC parts a year late. Still doesn't chaneg the fact that the 360 is killing the PS3 and the Wii is killing them both

The PS3 has as much chance of catching the Wii as the PSP has of catching the DS. None

[QUOTE="Super-Mario-Fan"]It's obviously more than just the price. It's been lowered by $200 over the last year and a half, and it's still selling less than 200K a month. Many people must just not like the console.GARRYTH

True. The 360 also had price cuts, but not as many as the PS3. The people who want a 360 probably already have one. Considering the first Xbox's sales numbers, I'm not surprised by this. However, the Playstation brand has gone from a huge sales leader (over 120 million) to a sales loser, probably due to a loss of interest in the brand.

[QUOTE="jtdawg23"]

The price. Plain and simple. Why is the Wii selling so well? It is the cheapest console. Do you think Joe casual walks into Best Buy screaming, "OMG, teh PS3 haz NO AAAE!!" Looking at a 40 GB PS3 ($399) next to a Pro and Arcade 360 ($349 + $279 respectively) next to a Wii ($249) makes it seem like a bad move to purchase a 360.Sure, Live and the innovation of the Wii are also selling points, but the largest factor is the price.

An anyalist predicts the PS3 to win the war in the end. AFTER A SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION. Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9948454-52.html

Also, Advertising is a massive part. Why is a Xbox 360 logo flashing by for multiplat games like GTA IV and Assassins Creed. It gives the assumption that the game is exclusive to the system.

Anyway that is my opinion. I am not a lemming. I only have a ps3 and would gladly provide pics as proof.

patrickjw333

do you have a marketing degree or something. you guys kill me thinking you know how to run a company. sony is doing fine quit reaching.

No i do not. But alot of people i know were under the impression that AC and GTA IV were 360 exclusive.

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]PS3 Logo Flashes for GTA in Canada.-GhostMLD-

nope, i live in Ontario. It says "download exclusive episodes fall 2008" and shows the 360 logo at the end. Never once saw a gta commercial with PS3 logo.

Yeah I just see the 360 logo at the end :S

Halo 3 was the reason many many people bought an Xbox 360 over a PS3.

Personally, the game is decent. The multiplayer is fun, but I would never touch the game with single player. And I would definitely never buy it. I just play it at my friends'. :P

But the PS3 doesn't have a big known IP that matches Halo 3, thus why would people want to pay more for something that they think has less?

If cheaper price was all the consumer cared about, the Gamecube would've been the console to break 100 mil last gen. No, it's all about games, which the PS3 has been lacking all this time.Lionheart08

And if your statement were true, then the 360 would be ahead in this race. And the 360 does have the best library of games, so how is it losing to nintendo's wii if the 360 has the best library of games? See price does have something to do with that, but also certain type games. Wii fit is a good example, even though it isnt the best reviewed game but it sure does bring innovation and tons of fun.

Halo 3 was the reason many many people bought an Xbox 360 over a PS3.

Personally, the game is decent. The multiplayer is fun, but I would never touch the game with single player. And I would definitely never buy it. I just play it at my friends'. :P

But the PS3 doesn't have a big known IP that matches Halo 3, thus why would people want to pay more for something that they think has less?

DragonfireXZ95

That will all change come june 12th. :)