Force Unleashed: Most unsatisfying combat ever?

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#1 GenTom
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I mean comon, this game was alright.. but... what happened to the good old star wars games with dismemberment and where the corpses would stay around for longer than 3 seconds.. Theres just absolutely no weight or satisfaction (not in a sick way) of killing the stormtroopers in SWTFU.

Anyone agree/disagree?

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#2 Chaos_HL21
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I think picking up a TIE Fighter and throwing it is pretty satisfying. Also at the end of the demo how you kill the AT-ST was very cool too.
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#3 JPOBS
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the combat is unsatifying because the bodies dont stay there?

you're right, game am fail.

not. :|

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#4 ONLYDOD
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I thought the combat with the Lightsaber was pretty unsatisfying, but using the force or whatever and throwing stuff abot was probably the most thing about it, still not enough to make me want to buy it though.
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#5 GenTom
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the combat is unsatifying because the bodies dont stay there?

you're right, game am fail.

not. :|

JPOBS

well no, not just that. As sick as i maybe with previous jedi knight games i've always enjoyed a bit of the ol' dismemberment :p Also i just find they're far too easy to kill.. and.. it's difficult to explain.. they just (to me at least) feel as if they have no substance to them (the bad guys)

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#6 GenTom
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the combat is unsatifying because the bodies dont stay there?

you're right, game am fail.

not. :|

JPOBS

well no, not just that. As sick as i maybe with previous jedi knight games i've always enjoyed a bit of the ol' dismemberment :p Also i just find they're far too easy to kill.. and.. it's difficult to explain.. they just (to me at least) feel as if they have no substance to them (the bad guys)

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#7 tccavey2
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I thought it was pretty fun. But I imagine the combat will get pretty boring after the third level.
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#8 110million
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Picking them up and flying them into walls and floors, only to chuck them off the edge of something is more satisfying then that.
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#9 angelkimne
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I think it was fun.

Not as good as KOTOR though :(

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#10 hongkingkong
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gimmick game, its not meant to be strictly hardcore. It won't please us lot wholly but I bet you'd atleast like to play an hour or two.
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#11 Jack-o-Thompson
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So theres a demo out now? I gotta try this :)

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#12 web966
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I thought the combat was fun.
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#13 shahchip
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i liked it a lot and im gonna rent the game even though i hate star wars o so much
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#14 AtrumRegina
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The controlls for throwing stuff was terrible. The lock on feature sucked and I barely could throw the stuff where I wanted.
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#15 110million
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The controlls for throwing stuff was terrible. The lock on feature sucked and I barely could throw the stuff where I wanted.AtrumRegina

Maybe it was different on 360, unless you did play it on PS3, but the one thing I found good was the controls, it was pretty tight, and things went where I wanted them to 95% of the time, out of everything, I missed my shot about twice.

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#16 shahchip
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[QUOTE="AtrumRegina"]The controlls for throwing stuff was terrible. The lock on feature sucked and I barely could throw the stuff where I wanted.110million

Maybe it was different on 360, unless you did play it on PS3, but the one thing I found good was the controls, it was pretty tight, and things went where I wanted them to 95% of the time, out of everything, I missed my shot about twice.

yeah same here..

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#17 MoldOnHold
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I loved the demo. The force grip and force push in particular was very satisfying to me. And I kept getting destruction bonuses by setting up chain reactions. :P

The lightsaber combat was also badass imo.

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#18 romans828_2002
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No, I enjoyed it. I'm sure it gets more fun as you develop more skills. It's not the deepest I ever played, but it's far from the worst. *Opens up can of worms* Morrowind was the most unsatisfying combat I've ever seen.
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#19 alexmurray
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I didnt like the force powers, I know they will be better on the real game but I want Happy
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#20 killab2oo5
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It was just "meh" for me. Graphics and physics are very nice though.
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No, I agree with you. See, it's not like Ninja Gaiden where when you dismember someone they bleed like a stunt pig at Ol' Blood Fountain Mountain (excuse the analogy). Lightsaber dismemberment cauterizes the wounds so it's not so "brutal" or "cruel". Though sadly I think even that's too much to ask nowadays of the people and thinktanks that run the Star Wars brand as it doesn't fit into their Hasbro-Mattel-LEGO merchandising plans. Then again those who would want this may just be a bit too into violence or in fact, want that fictional "realism" to be brought up maturely.

Though I do think bodies, glass, and some other materials need to be left visible after destroying/killing. There are some items left when destroyed but I think the main point is this:

It's called 'The Force Unleashed'. We aren't using our powers to prove to Yoda that we can put mind over matter. We know already that we can lift X-Wings. What their pitch was is that we can destroy an entire room, bring down destroyers, and literally break anything in our path. Unlock regions and range of the The Force we've never seen before and it gives us the ability but not all of the reward. At least let us see the aftermath of our chaotic forces as the Sith Apprentice of Darth Vader.

After reading the book and comic book, having it explain some of the aftermath left in great detail. It's sad not to see it visualized in enough detail for the game. Then again, it's just the demo.

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The controls made it nigh impossible to do anything kickass with the force, and some of the objects should be a but more weighty. The lightsabre combat is too slow paced, and the animations are dated. And the enemies had health bars floating above their heads, I thought we had moved out of that era by now!
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#23 Vistaer
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I liked many parts of combat, including lightsaber pummeling, force grip, push, etc. and can ignore bodies disappearing, however, I -HATE- that "defend" makes you stand still, you can't deflect blaster shots back at enemies, and the "aiming" for what you want to force grip doesn't work all the time.
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#24 Xire_XII
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The controls made it nigh impossible to do anything kickass with the force, and some of the objects should be a but more weighty. The lightsabre combat is too slow paced, and the animations are dated. And the enemies had health bars floating above their heads, I thought we had moved out of that era by now!microwavedapple
In defense for the game, as I do still plan on getting it. You can go into the options and remove a lot of the HUD and the health bars. It makes it more pleasing to the eye.

By the way, Jedi Outcast and Knight had some neat lightsaber effects for dismemberment. I think it fit fairly nice. Here's a video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=svWH0f8wo-g

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#25 GenTom
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[QUOTE="microwavedapple"]The controls made it nigh impossible to do anything kickass with the force, and some of the objects should be a but more weighty. The lightsabre combat is too slow paced, and the animations are dated. And the enemies had health bars floating above their heads, I thought we had moved out of that era by now!Xire_XII

In defense for the game, as I do still plan on getting it. You can go into the options and remove a lot of the HUD and the health bars. It makes it more pleasing to the eye.

By the way, Jedi Outcast and Knight had some neat lightsaber effects for dismemberment. I think it fit fairly nice. Here's a video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=svWH0f8wo-g

yeah thats exactly what i want. stormtroopers appear the size of actual people unlike TFU where they seem really small like little people. and the satisfaction of the combat and yes teh dismemberment is what star wars is all about! it's in the damn films fgs.

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#26 Jack_Bauer07
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I thought the combat was alright and pretty traditional as far as Star Wars games go. However, I was disappointed with the amount of force powers and saber combat. Compared to the Jedi Knight series on the PC, this is a step back. Sure, it has pretty graphics and great physics but I don't think LucasArts will make another game as great as Jedi Knight Outcast.:( Will pick up The Force Unleashed when it's $30, though.
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#27 Flugigo
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it was alright. nothing spectacular or anything, but still fun
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#28 CronoSquall
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Lightsabers in this game are colorful clubs, not swords. Very dissapointing, but maybe not game breaking. KOTOR had no dismemberment, and it was fantastic.
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#29 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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I loved the combat in star wars TFU its oe of the resasons its a day on buy for me :D
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#30 N9ne-xx
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I mean comon, this game was alright.. but... what happened to the good old star wars games with dismemberment and where the corpses would stay around for longer than 3 seconds.. Theres just absolutely no weight or satisfaction (not in a sick way) of killing the stormtroopers in SWTFU.

Anyone agree/disagree?

GenTom

You know there would be dismemberment but..

then again, your parents, someone elses parents, will make a big deal out of all of it and call it graphic.
That's why we don't do things like that anymore, because everyone always makes a big deal about it like were going to get a light saber one day, somehow lift someonein the air and throw the saber at them :roll:
Parents acutally believe that.

That's why you don't see stuff like that more often.
But no the combat system in this game is pretty good.

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#31 Jack_Bauer07
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[QUOTE="GenTom"]

I mean comon, this game was alright.. but... what happened to the good old star wars games with dismemberment and where the corpses would stay around for longer than 3 seconds.. Theres just absolutely no weight or satisfaction (not in a sick way) of killing the stormtroopers in SWTFU.

Anyone agree/disagree?

N9ne-xx

You know there would be dismemberment but..

then again, your parents, someone elses parents, will make a big deal out of all of it and call it graphic.
That's why we don't do things like that anymore, because everyone always makes a big deal about it like were going to get a light saber one day, somehow lift someonein the air and throw the saber at them :roll:
Parents acutally believe that.

That's why you don't see stuff like that more often.
But no the combat system in this game is pretty good.

Yup, this is a huge step back from Jedi Outcast, which was a far better game as far as combat and dismemberment. Then again it was only on one platform, the PC. TFU is on what, five platforms? Developers cut corners and don't want a protest from parents that bought the Wii version for their kids.

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#32 Xire_XII
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Lightsabers in this game are colorful clubs, not swords. Very dissapointing, but maybe not game breaking. KOTOR had no dismemberment, and it was fantastic.CronoSquall
KOTOR is probably the best line of Star Wars games to be conceived and it didn't have to have dismemberment. It was an RPG, not an action title like Force Unleashed is. I'm sure if Mortal Kombat was turned into an RPG from a fighting game, we'd see less fatalities. Oh wait, that's already happening. :D

Then again, in the defense of LucasArts for why there's less lightsaber combat/effects. It's called the Force Unleashed not "Soresu Meltdown".

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#33 N9ne-xx
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^^^

I was the king of Jedi Knight Outcast and Jedi Academy hah.

But for those games you had to put it in on your command stuff it wasn't already there.
I miss those games i think i should install them again.

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#34 TemplaerDude
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Mowing through dozens of Stormtroopers and what not with a lightsaber (of all things) and seeing them just fall down with a grunt is the most unsatisfying thing ever. If Outcast can have dismemberment, than it is a huge step backwards for FU to not.

KOTOR was an RPG, not an action game. It could have gotten away with both and still been awesome. An action game consisting of unsatisfying deaths that look like your opponents just got beat with a plank of wood instead of a futuristic beam of energy that can cut through almost anything with ease?

Fail. Boring.

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#35 Ninten007
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It is no Jedi Knight Outcast, thats for sure.

I mean why do the stormtroopers take alot of lightsaber hits to die? In Outcast it only took a good swipe or two and you see their arms come off. Why is this not possible in this one?

It feels too arcadey. I am still getting the game anyway, most of the time the full game is better than the demo.

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#36 Dante2710
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fine by me, i enjoyed the demo, now the only thing im hoping for is a good story
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#37 SuperVegeta518
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I didn't like the lightsaber combat but using the force was fun.
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#38 Mordred19
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The lightsaber combat is the unsatisfying part. The Euphoria and DMM characters and enviorments respectively, are definetly satisfying. I just love tossing the storm troopers into each other and chasing them around with floating objects.
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#39 akif22
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i agree, it wasn't too satisfying

then i replayed the demo on easy and it was much better!

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#40 Xire_XII
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fine by me, i enjoyed the demo, now the only thing im hoping for is a good storyDante2710
Story is pretty good. I've read the book and the comic book so I can say with confidence that it's a pretty good story. Nothing mind blowing but it's good.

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#41 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The last great lucasarts game was Jedi Outcast/Xwing Alliance.. Ever sense then their games have been awful..
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#42 deactivated-5de2fb6a3a711
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well... it's no Jedi Academy
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#43 final_fortress
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no star wars game will beat the lightsaber combat of jedi knight 2, except for maybe if jedi knight 4 is released. (jedi knight 3 wasnt as good to me as 2)
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#44 naruto7777
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no the combat is good
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#45 superjim42
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i enjoyed the demo. havent touch a action hack nd slash type game for awhile now. the force powers with great physics was awesome! im def get this game
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#46 GootHimp
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I was gonna buy it but now i am not sure, prolly wont
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#47 superjim42
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what did ppl hate about it exactly? i thought it was great! especially the openess of the levels and the whole rpg element..well kinda where you level up and upgrade abilities
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#48 starmetroid
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If only we had a multiplayer mode to enrich the experience... OH wait! Wii owners do :P
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#49 haziqonfire
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The combat is really fun -- but I get what you mean, doesn't matter to me much.
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#50 Renegade_Fury
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Lucasarts should get back to developing the next Dark Forces/Jedi Knight game IMO. A new X-wing vs. Tie Fighter would be good too.