Dynasty Warriors Producer: Wii U CPU Power Less Compared to PS3, Xbox 360

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#1 Blazerdt47
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Uh oh... I hope the Wii U is more powerful than what it seems like.:|

Dynasty Warriors Producer: Wii U CPU Power a Little Bit Less Compared to PS3, Xbox 360

Dynasty Warriors producer Akihiro Suzuki admits that dealing with the Wii U's CPU issues are a challenge due to it being less powerful compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Another day, another story on how the Wii U is supposedly "underpowered." This time, it's Tecmo Koei producer Akihiro Suzuki taking a stab,

In an interview withEurogamer, Suzuki admits that the Wii U's Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper is not on par when compared to the PS3's Dynasty Warriors 7 Empires; this applies to the game's frame rate and number of enemies on screen. Suzuki reveals that the Wii U CPU is to blame.

One of the weaknesses of the Wii U compared to PS3 and Xbox 360 is the CPU power is a little bit less...So for games in the Warriors series, including Dynasty Warriors and Warriors Orochi, when you have a lot of enemies coming at you at once, the performance tends to be affected because of the CPU.

However, Suzuki also claims that the Wii U is capable of having games that look better compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360. Though that still doesn't fix the CPU "issue,"

From a visual standpoint, based on the performance of the Wii U, we knew the game had the capability of having much better graphics than games on PS3 and Xbox 360. Make no mistake, from a visual standpoint, it is able to produce better graphics. So our challenge was to make a higher quality graphics. We were able to meet that.

While the visuals are great, as is being able to improve them, we had to deal with the lower CPU power and how we can get around that issue.

Well, hopefully, Suzuki and the rest of Tecmo Koei finds an answer to this issue soon as Warriors Orochi Hyper 3 is scheduled for a November 30 release.

Is this a cause for concern or are developers just not familiar with the system yet?

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#2 Cherokee_Jack
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Oh yes, Akihiro Suzuki, the Japanese Carmack.

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That didn't stop the PS2 now did it?

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#4 Cherokee_Jack
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That didn't stop the PS2 now did it?

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The PS2 didn't come out 7 years after the Gamecube.

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#5 Grawse
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If true, the Wii U really is a stop gap console.
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The Wii U will end up being a last gen system, Nintendo does not know how to make quality systems anymore. Only their 1st party matters, if they had no 1st party nobody would buy their consoles because they suck. Everyone knows this even if they refuse to admit it, this is why Nintendo needs to make better systems or just go 3rd party.

That being said Dynasty Warriors is a terrible and reptitive game series. You want to talk about milkage? Look no further than Dynasty, they are all literally the SAME EXACT GAME.

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Its a shame gulliable people will fall for old technology too.

Only a matter a time when they're put to shame and pretend like they don't care.

In fact, PC standards have already made Wii:U outdated and its outdated before it has released and being on par with 360/PS3 somewhat means its also outdated 5 years ago? *head explodes*

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#8 Blake135
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

That didn't stop the PS2 now did it?

Cherokee_Jack

The PS2 didn't come out 7 years after the Gamecube.

PS2 Also didn't really have any *strong* competition at the time unlike WiiU, going against the PS3 and Xbox360's current library and soon to be PS4, Xbox720. Im interested in seeing if developers put the extra time needed into the WiiU or will just shift focus to the other consoles.

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According to Suzuki, the main issue is that developers are still wrapping their head around the CPU, and so are yet to work out how best to use it. "For the PS3 it has multiple CPUs and an SPU, so you can calculate the various motions of the characters on the CPU so overall it runs smoothly," Suzuki explained. "The Xbox 360 CPUs are formulated so they can spread out the processing power so things run efficiently." "With the Wii U being new hardware, we're still getting used to developing for it, so there are still a lot of things we don't know yet to bring out the most of the processing power. There's a lot that still needs to be explored in that area." You forgot this part. Still doesn't sound good but it seems misleading to leave this out.
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What does someone that makes the same game over and over again knows about power :P

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Nintendo overcharging for old hardwares. Nothing new. This is the same company that is too cheap to afford voice actors.

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That's a shame.

Why step it up on the gpu and ram only to come up short on the cpu? I don't mind that the WiiU is only slightly more powerful than current consoles, but there's really no excuse for it to fall short in any area.

Its not a deal breaker of course (as trolls/idiots will make it out to be) I wont miss out on good games because of cpu lol. Still pretty weak though.

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a) Sticky b) Lol
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The Wii U will end up being a last gen system, Nintendo does not know how to make quality systems anymore. Only their 1st party matters, if they had no 1st party nobody would buy their consoles because they suck. Everyone knows this even if they refuse to admit it, this is why Nintendo needs to make better systems or just go 3rd party.

That being said Dynasty Warriors is a terrible and reptitive game series. You want to talk about milkage? Look no further than Dynasty, they are all literally the SAME EXACT GAME.

InB4SomeTrollSaysIt'sJustLikeCODEvenThoughItIsNot

ShadowMoses900
It stings the nostrils, but I actually agree with your points, minus the one about Nintendo not making quality systems anymore.
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According to Suzuki, the main issue is that developers are still wrapping their head around the CPU, and so are yet to work out how best to use it. "For the PS3 it has multiple CPUs and an SPU, so you can calculate the various motions of the characters on the CPU so overall it runs smoothly," Suzuki explained. "The Xbox 360 CPUs are formulated so they can spread out the processing power so things run efficiently." "With the Wii U being new hardware, we're still getting used to developing for it, so there are still a lot of things we don't know yet to bring out the most of the processing power. There's a lot that still needs to be explored in that area." You forgot this part. Still doesn't sound good but it seems misleading to leave this out.Devil-Itachi

Knew I should have checked before posting.

Still though, as long as its been since the PS3 and 360 have been out there should be a noticeable performance increase from the start.

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lol because a little slower processor big deal didnt stop cod from running 60 fps at full 1080 p lol

one game does not decide its fate sorry , especaly not dynasty warriors lol

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#17 Gen007
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lol because a little slower processor big deal didnt stop cod from running 60 fps at full 1080 p lol

one game does not decide its fate sorry , especaly not dynasty warriors lol

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do you really think its running at 1080p because chances are its just being upscaled like it is on the 360 and ps3

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WiiU is made for sheep. sheep don't care about graphics and lems/cows have graphics and gameplay so the only losing here is,,, sheep as always. so who cares lol Wii 2.0
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or will just shift focus to the other consoles.

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Do you honestly expect anything else?
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a "next-gen" console with a weaker CPU than consoles that came out 6 and 7 years ago..

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It's not only the CPU. Look at its hard drive interface - WiiU has USB 2.0. What's scary is that USB is from 2000, so by the end of its life it will be powered by 20 year old tech.

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a "next-gen" console with a weaker CPU than consoles that came out 6 and 7 years ago..

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Next gen is here....WiiU.:lol:
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That being said Dynasty Warriors is a terrible and reptitive game series. You want to talk about milkage? Look no further than Dynasty, they are all literally the EXACT same game

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From the man that only plays CoD because the PS3 doesn't have anything against Halo
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The Wii U will end up being a last gen system, Nintendo does not know how to make quality systems anymore. Only their 1st party matters, if they had no 1st party nobody would buy their consoles because they suck. Everyone knows this even if they refuse to admit it, this is why Nintendo needs to make better systems or just go 3rd party.

That being said Dynasty Warriors is a terrible and reptitive game series. You want to talk about milkage? Look no further than Dynasty, they are all literally the SAME EXACT GAME.

InB4SomeTrollSaysIt'sJustLikeCODEvenThoughItIsNot

ShadowMoses900

Why do your troll mouth never shut up? You'd be doing everyone here a favor.

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Nintendo overcharging for old hardwares. Nothing new. This is the same company that is too cheap to afford voice actors.

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:lol: :lol:

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It's not only the CPU. Look at its hard drive interface - WiiU has USB 2.0. What's scary is that USB is from 2000, so by the end of its life it will be powered by 20 year old tech.

KiZZo1

So at its best, it'll be transfering 60MB/s. That's nearly 3x the speed of the disc drive. Yeah it's slower than USB 3.0, but it's still good enough.

Though we don't know if this is finalized, because Nintendo prohibits any photos of the front flap and back side for an unknown reason.

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#27 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

It's not only the CPU. Look at its hard drive interface - WiiU has USB 2.0. What's scary is that USB is from 2000, so by the end of its life it will be powered by 20 year old tech.

ChubbyGuy40

So at its best, it'll be transfering 60MB/s. That's nearly 3x the speed of the disc drive. Yeah it's slower than USB 3.0, but it's still good enough.

Though we don't know if this is finalized, because Nintendo prohibits any photos of the front flap and back side for an unknown reason.

The effective speed of USB 2.0 is 35 MB/s. That's almost as low as the optical drive (it was 20 something?).

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#28 nameless12345
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You forgot to quote this part of the interview:

"From a visual standpoint, based on the performance of the Wii U, we knew the game had the capability of having much better graphics than games on PS3 and Xbox 360. Make no mistake, from a visual standpoint, it is able to produce better graphics."

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#29 nameless12345
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Its a shame gulliable people will fall for old technology too.

Only a matter a time when they're put to shame and pretend like they don't care.

In fact, PC standards have already made Wii:U outdated and its outdated before it has released and being on par with 360/PS3 somewhat means its also outdated 5 years ago? *head explodes*

Blast from the Past but with a Tab.

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Next Xbox and PS won't meet PC standards either.

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That's just unacceptable. :|

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The Wii U will end up being a last gen system, Nintendo does not know how to make quality systems anymore. Only their 1st party matters, if they had no 1st party nobody would buy their consoles because they suck. Everyone knows this even if they refuse to admit it, this is why Nintendo needs to make better systems or just go 3rd party.

That being said Dynasty Warriors is a terrible and reptitive game series. You want to talk about milkage? Look no further than Dynasty, they are all literally the SAME EXACT GAME.

InB4SomeTrollSaysIt'sJustLikeCODEvenThoughItIsNot

ShadowMoses900
Oh they do know for sure,the Wii was the only consoles this gen that didn't bring 3 billion in losses or more. The wii U is not the most powerful thing ever,but GPU talking is way more advance than the PS3 and 360,sure the CPU is weaker,but i am sure than the Wii is not designed like the PS3 were the CPU has to help allot.
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#32 tormentos
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[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Its a shame gulliable people will fall for old technology too.

Only a matter a time when they're put to shame and pretend like they don't care.

In fact, PC standards have already made Wii:U outdated and its outdated before it has released and being on par with 360/PS3 somewhat means its also outdated 5 years ago? *head explodes*

Blast from the Past but with a Tab.

nameless12345

Next Xbox and PS won't meet PC standards either.

The xbox 720 will probably have a 69XX GPU,at least that is what the dev kit has,people are claiming 79XX,but even if it has a 7XXX card it would probably end been close to the 69XX. That from where i see it,because there is not reason why a dev kit should be carrying a 69XX or 68XX GPU,if the console it self will use a 79XX,because unlike last time when the 360 GPU was top of the line,dev kits didn't had the final silicon,because there wasn't anything like the Xenos out there,so the final dev kits arrived late. But now the 79XX is already out there,in fact in early 2013 is been rumor that the 8XXX series will go out if not earlier,so i don't see the point of using a 68XX or 69XX,unless that is the equivalent of what will be use on the 720,the card on the dev kit has identified as a 68XX or 69XX card from MSI on Beyond3d. I think the PS4 will be the same as well,or close,but also on this 2 systems there will be an APU as well,so i think it will held even more.
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The Wii U uses a GPGPU which allows the GPU to handle the CPU work so ti's the devs fault to not learn how the system works.

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Derp derp. Another day, another WiiU bashing thread. Don't care about whoever this jerk off is, still getting WiiU day 1. Luckily, having fun is something that can't be bashed and I will be having fun with WiiU day 1.
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Nintendo is seriously the most pathetic company i have ever seen. they clearly make products designed for kids but pretend to cater to the hardcore gamers. lucky for them nostalgia trumps common sense in these gamers and they flock to buy the same repetitive **** Nintendo puts out. I bought an NES back in the day and then a Wii, thinking that Nintendo still held the same high standards that they did back then. But I was wrong.

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#36 nameless12345
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Nintendo is seriously the most pathetic company i have ever seen. they clearly make products designed for kids but pretend to cater to the hardcore gamers. lucky for them nostalgia trumps common sense in these gamers and they flock to buy the same repetitive **** Nintendo puts out. I bought an NES back in the day and then a Wii, thinking that Nintendo still held the same high standards that they did back then. But I was wrong.

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I will wait for nerds to open the Wii U before I will believe the developer of f*cking Dynasty Warriors. Japanese + Dynasty warriors developer doesn't give me a whole lot of faith in his words. While it is obvious the CPU speed will be slower (due to thermal and size constraints) whether or not it is less powerful is up in the air.
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The CPU clock speed might be slower, but it's a much newer architecture compared to what's inside the PS3 and Xbox 360. Is everyone forgetting that the Wii u has a GPGPU?
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The CPU clock speed might be slower, but it's a much newer architecture compared to what's inside the PS3 and Xbox 360. Is everyone forgetting that the Wii u has a GPGPU?White_Wolf21
On the GPU side is more advance that both the PS3 and 360,but the CPU performance is weaker.
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[QUOTE="White_Wolf21"]The CPU clock speed might be slower, but it's a much newer architecture compared to what's inside the PS3 and Xbox 360. Is everyone forgetting that the Wii u has a GPGPU?tormentos
On the GPU side is more advance that both the PS3 and 360,but the CPU performance is weaker.

I'm pretty sure it's just clock speed to prevent the system from overheating and the GPGPU acts like a second cpu for the Wii U.

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[QUOTE="White_Wolf21"]The CPU clock speed might be slower, but it's a much newer architecture compared to what's inside the PS3 and Xbox 360. Is everyone forgetting that the Wii u has a GPGPU?tormentos
On the GPU side is more advance that both the PS3 and 360,but the CPU performance is weaker.

the idea is that a GPGPU can handle many CPU functions so this dev is just not utilizing the wiiU hardware to its most but instead is trying for a straight port from another system with a different architecture