Do other people find some Japanese devs remarkably uncreative?

I'm sure this isn't exclusive to Japanese devs, but I was just looking at the Tekken/Soul Calibur/Dead Or Alive series (I own a couple) and realised how unimaginative the devs really are. It's not just these games either, Squarenix seems to be a massive culprit promoting sterile games, and I can think of a lot of other devs who are also uninspired.

I'd say it's a problem with Western games too, specifically from Ubisoft with GRAW and its sequel, or R6 Vegas and its sequel, as a few examples. But from my observation (ie. I could be very wrong so feel free to show me why) it seems to be a lot more common with Japanese devs. Obviously there are some exceptions to the idea.

Take Soul Calibur for example. Soul Calibur 3 was basically Soul Calibur 2 with prettier graphics. Soul Calibur 4 will probably be Soul Calibur 3 with shiny new graphics and a Cameron Diaz lookalike in Ivy with enhanced boob physics. Fascinating as that is, it's not worth releasing a new game over it.

Do you still purchase these games if you know they do little to improve the series? Will you be puchasing SCIV if you know it doesn't do much to innovative?

Tekken has really suffered in sales and it seems to be a growing trend that the market refuses crappy sequels, although this trend hasn't occured in Western countries yet. Is this a problem or is it OK to have games that add nothing to the series? What do you guys think?

Updated game mechanics, new character, varied movesets.

Fanboys complain bout change look at banjo.blitzkid1

True... but most people seem fine with the change. Wii is a good example of that.

Updated game mechanics, new character, varied movesets.

ArisShadows

Same thing said about SC3.

"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?aaron5829

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

You have to remeber that there is only so much that you can for fighting games without completely overhauling the system. I will give you SCIII. I honestly think that it is worse than sould caliburIIlaughingman42

I never bought SC3 due the fact I heard it had this vicious glitch that could corrupt your memory card.

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?the-very-best

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

i disagree, atleast a handfull of devs keep their 30 years old franchices fresh.i think creativity isnt as important as gameplay now, since a game can be as complex as the devs like, i mean can you imagine crysis in the snes?

just another boring rambo wannabe.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]You have to remeber that there is only so much that you can for fighting games without completely overhauling the system. I will give you SCIII. I honestly think that it is worse than sould caliburIIArisShadows

I never bought SC3 due the fact I heard it had this vicious glitch that could corrupt your memory card.

I didn't buy it but I played it. cervantes (I can't spell it) had an infinite wall combo that made him ridiculusly good.

I'm sure this isn't exclusive to Japanese devs, but I was just looking at the Tekken/Soul Calibur/Dead Or Alive series (I own a couple) and realised how unimaginative the devs really are. It's not just these games either, Squarenix seems to be a massive culprit promoting sterile games, and I can think of a lot of other devs who are also uninspired.

I'd say it's a problem with Western games too, specifically from Ubisoft with GRAW and its sequel, or R6 Vegas and its sequel, as a few examples. But from my observation (ie. I could be very wrong so feel free to show me why) it seems to be a lot more common with Japanese devs. Obviously there are some exceptions to the idea.

Take Soul Calibur for example. Soul Calibur 3 was basically Soul Calibur 2 with prettier graphics. Soul Calibur 4 will probably be Soul Calibur 3 with shiny new graphics and a Cameron Diaz lookalike in Ivy with enhanced boob physics. Fascinating as that is, it's not worth releasing a new game over it.

Do you still purchase these games if you know they do little to improve the series? Will you be puchasing SCIV if you know it doesn't do much to innovative?

Tekken has really suffered in sales and it seems to be a growing trend that the market refuses crappy sequels, although this trend hasn't occured in Western countries yet. Is this a problem or is it OK to have games that add nothing to the series? What do you guys think?

the-very-best

I know what u mean but I think its just certain games where really its hard to get creative with them. Like games like Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive. This genre of gaming will always be the same because its just the way they were built. I can only see it changing by graphics and maybe adding moves but its kind of hard for them to change things up because there are still alot people who like those type games. I use to be one of the die hard for these games but I find them kind of boring after playing it for like a week but there still cool when u have friends over or if it has online features but u kind of get bored of these type games real quick. I wish they would like have the fighting modes like they always have done but like add a campaighing for each character where u can play out his story and add more value to the game. That way people can actually take the time to play each characters story and stuff and get to know more about the characters and also give us a more lasting appealing with these genre of games. Also online. All these games need that feature or it would be a waste of money.

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?the-very-best

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

All I can say is.... ICOShinobi7777

yes i do ! . personally i dont rly like japanese people shaoxiong

umm, why's that?

[QUOTE="shaoxiong"]yes i do ! . personally i dont rly like japanese people Cyberfairy

umm, why's that?

Maybe he lives in the Phillipines, Pacific Islands or Pearl Harbor?

[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"]

[QUOTE="shaoxiong"]yes i do ! . personally i dont rly like japanese people D3monchicken

umm, why's that?

Maybe he lives in the Phillipines, Pacific Islands or Pearl Harbor?

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?the-very-best

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

Can you name any creative games from Western developers?

I'd say that the Japanese have made more creative games this gen than American devs, at least on consoles.

I'd say that the Japanese have made more creative games this gen than American devs, at least on consoles.

Eponique

I agree. JPRG's are some of the best games I have played.

I tend to find that most japanese games are either hack and slash's or rpg's, which they tend to be overly repetative.snakefist5000

Unlike FPS, TPS and base building RTS games were you do different things all the time.

I'm sure this isn't exclusive to Japanese devs, but I was just looking at the Tekken/Soul Calibur/Dead Or Alive series (I own a couple) and realised how unimaginative the devs really are. It's not just these games either, Squarenix seems to be a massive culprit promoting sterile games, and I can think of a lot of other devs who are also uninspired.

I'd say it's a problem with Western games too, specifically from Ubisoft with GRAW and its sequel, or R6 Vegas and its sequel, as a few examples. But from my observation (ie. I could be very wrong so feel free to show me why) it seems to be a lot more common with Japanese devs. Obviously there are some exceptions to the idea.

Take Soul Calibur for example. Soul Calibur 3 was basically Soul Calibur 2 with prettier graphics. Soul Calibur 4 will probably be Soul Calibur 3 with shiny new graphics and a Cameron Diaz lookalike in Ivy with enhanced boob physics. Fascinating as that is, it's not worth releasing a new game over it.

Do you still purchase these games if you know they do little to improve the series? Will you be puchasing SCIV if you know it doesn't do much to innovative?

Tekken has really suffered in sales and it seems to be a growing trend that the market refuses crappy sequels, although this trend hasn't occured in Western countries yet. Is this a problem or is it OK to have games that add nothing to the series? What do you guys think?

the-very-best

sequals will always be the same game with better graphics or a new gimmick added (see mario, zelda, halo, god of war, gears of war, every fighting game, every racing game etc, etc, etc.)

developers are afraid to take risks on stuff and would rather use the tried and true formula over and over and over (see sports games and their updated rosters every other year)

only a few games stand out from the same old same old. (usually a new development company trying to make a name for itself, or one so talented it can pull off change)

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?Supafly1

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

Can you name any creative games from Western developers?

easy: anything by sid meir (civilization, alpha centari) anything from will wright (sim city, sims)

basically every MMO ever created has been created in the west.

Fallout 1, 2, tactics,

witcher

every dungeons and dragons game pc and console alike (heck even the creator of the board game is western)

mass effect and kotor (imo better than the tripe that square has been throwing at us since FFX (X2, XI, and XII)

bioshock

basically 99 percent of pc games and 360 games are developed in the west, compared to the 99 percent of Nintendo and PS games in the east

That is riduculous. If you'v ever played any Final Fantasy, you'd know that they might as well all be different games (save for X-2 and CC, fanservice). All of the final fantasies have the same fundamental gameplay, with really good and in my opinion innovative systems built around it. My favorite is still the Junction, GF, and critical hit systems in FF8. It's like saying all shooting games are uncreative because you shoot a weapon.

Another thing i have to disagree on is that Soul Calibur 4 is uncreative. That is simply not true. From the character design to the universe of Soul Calibur, you won't find anything else like it. As for new game play features? Try a brand new combat system with guard breaks, criticals, combo grabs, and the Soul Calibur equivalent of final smashes. They are also adding online play which i hope will be rich in features, it's about time.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?gearsofhalogeek

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

Can you name any creative games from Western developers?

easy: anything by sid meir (civilization, alpha centari) anything from will wright (sim city, sims)

basically every MMO ever created has been created in the west.

Fallout 1, 2, tactics,

witcher

every dungeons and dragons game pc and console alike (heck even the creator of the board game is western)

mass effect and kotor (imo better than the tripe that square has been throwing at us since FFX (X2, XI, and XII)

bioshock

basically 99 percent of pc games and 360 games are developed in the west, compared to the 99 percent of Nintendo and PS games in the east

YEP.

NEW IPS West

Versus

NEW IPS Japan

You can do the numbers yourself, it will come out in the west's favorjg4xchamp

I'd say that the Japanese have made more creative games this gen than American devs, at least on consoles.

Eponique

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?Supafly1

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

Can you name any creative games from Western developers?

Some are, yes. But then again you do get some insanely creative and bizarre developers like Suda51 who I absolutely love.

Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.jg4xchamp

Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.jg4xchamp

I agree, this gen has been a huge disappointment so far. The only systems with some creativity are the handhelds and PC. PS3, Wii and 360 has almost only been sequels so far.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.JLF1

I agree, this gen has been a huge disappointment so far. The only systems with some creativity are the handhelds and PC. PS3, Wii and 360 has almost only been sequels so far.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="aaron5829"]"I'd say it's a problem with Western games too" ..... Then why put Japanese on the title ?gearsofhalogeek

Much more with Japanese devs. Also said that in the OP.

I can't really think of many examples for Western devs outside of Ubi.

Can you name any creative games from Western developers?

easy: anything by sid meir (civilization, alpha centari) anything from will wright (sim city, sims)

basically every MMO ever created has been created in the west.

Fallout 1, 2, tactics,

witcher

every dungeons and dragons game pc and console alike (heck even the creator of the board game is western)

mass effect and kotor (imo better than the tripe that square has been throwing at us since FFX (X2, XI, and XII)

bioshock

basically 99 percent of pc games and 360 games are developed in the west, compared to the 99 percent of Nintendo and PS games in the east

I guess you're right but the quality games that do get released on Wii are pretty creative actually, not because they are using the Wii-mote but the game itself is pretty unique. I guess you can't be really creative when everything has been done before. Bioshock is basically System Shock 2, I'm guessing Mass Effect is similar to KOTOR while KOTOR is also similar to other WRPG's created before that. And MMORPG's are all-alike, including Age of Conan.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.Makari

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.jg4xchamp

I agree, this gen has been a huge disappointment so far. The only systems with some creativity are the handhelds and PC. PS3, Wii and 360 has almost only been sequels so far.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Ok well if its not a new ip thing than holy crap the west isn't all that original either.

The most ORIGINAL games are what

Zack and Wikki, No More Heroes, Portal, Assassins Creed, and what else?

Everything else wasn't very creative, heck some people call Mario Galaxy creative. AMazing game, but not creative.JLF1