Digital Foundry The Last of Us Part 1 PS5 vs PC: Alex Battaglia's tears

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#1  Edited By above_average
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Since the superior Space Alien SSD technology of the PS5 destroys the PC version of TLOU Part 1, instead of doing a traditional optimized PC vs console analysis, Alex Battaglia had chosen to do a PC vs PS5 whine fest video in it's place.

Enjoy Alex Battaglia's excuses, tears and bitterness for failing to recognize the technical superiority of his Japanese overlords Sony for creating the holy PS5.

  • 2 PC builds used for this video vs PS5:
  1. Alex's Ryzen 5 3600/RTX 2070 SUPER/1440 DLSS high/Medium Textures
  2. Rich's Core I9 12900k/RTX 4080/NATIVE 4K/Ultra Settings
  • Pre-shader compilation time after the latest parch on Ale'x rRyzen 5 3600 2070 Super took 25minutes 14seconds down from 41 minutes 23 seconds. On the superior PS5 no pre-shader complication step is required.
  • According to Alex, the game is severely CPU limited on PC because the game is streaming things in the background and decompressing them at the same time. As Mark Cerny already explained to everyone in Road to PS5, the superior PS5 handles this task flawlessly.
  • To match PS5 load times, Rich's Core I9 12900k RTX 4080 was needed. Alex's Ryzen 5 3600 2070 Super set up was almost 3x the load time.
  • Ultimately, PS5 is the superior way to play a game that's actually designed for PS5, surprise!?

At one point Alex Battaglia claims his 2070 Super is running the same 1440p Resolution at PS5, lol when he was utilizing 1440p DLSS!?

FYI: Below are the ACTUAL resolutions in DLSS when using 1440p.

1440p:

Quality: 1707x960p (Let's assume he's using quality, it's still less than 1080p vs PS5 @1440p native!)

Balance: 1485x835p

Performance: 1280x720p

Ultra Perf: 853x480p

For the majority of the video the 2070 Alex's Super was running no where close to PS5's resolution despite it's significantly lower performance at all times.

Again this is NOT a 1 to 1 comparison.

This is using the sub 1080p (DLSS 1440p) internal resolution of 2070 S vs PS5 at native 1440p here and this is the result.

Below is 2070 Super vs PS5 both at native 1440p

Alex once argued 2060 super was on par with PS5, oof.

Graphical comparisons and differences on PC vs The Superior PS5

Can't wait for the eventual Final Fantasy 16 port and the excuses and tears from the PC peasants crying about their inferior version.

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It is just a very bad port. it says nothing about the PC or the PS5 hardware. You are so weird. Most games run way better on a good PC, including several other Sony games. There is nothing special about the PS5 hardware. Stop being so weird, it is somewhat obnoxious.

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#3  Edited By PC_Rocks
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Brave of the TC to admit that ND are technically incompetent as f**k. But in a usual cow fashion somehow Alex is responsible for ND being incompetent.

BTW, does anyone know the reason of boxy's beef with Alex? I know it has definitely something to do with him proving PS5's inferiority in something but I want to know the actual instance.

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"insert SecretSauce gif here" :P

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#5 above_average
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@latech84 said:

It is just a very bad port. it says nothing about the PC or the PS5 hardware. You are so weird. Most games run way better on a good PC, including several other Sony games. There is nothing special about the PS5 hardware. Stop being so weird, it is somewhat obnoxious.

Say it again, this time without tears in your eyes.

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#6 BassMan
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So, Naughty Dog fucked up and you are trying to spin this into an issue with PC?

https://www.pcgamer.com/naughty-dog-apologizes-to-last-of-us-players-on-pc/

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#7  Edited By above_average
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@pc_rocks said:

Brave of the TC to admit that ND are technically incompetent as f**k. But in a usual cow fashion somehow Alex is responsible for ND being incompetent.

BTW, does anyone know the reason of boxy's beef with Alex? I know it has definitely something to do with him proving PS5's inferiority in something but I want to know the actual instance.

Well, ND did a PS5 native title. It's not a cross-gen game that short sighted Alex Battagia keeps referencing for games that performed better on PC compared to PS5.

Cross gen games do not actually use the technology PS5 has available. This game does. It's not ND's fault if your PC is too shit to match a title created to run on the Space Alien SSD PS5. Time to upgrade filthy PC peasant

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#9  Edited By JoshRMeyer
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That's the beauty of consoles. Devs can optimize to get the most out of the hardware. The equivalent horsepower on a PC(or recommended specs) are always way above what PS5 is on paper. PC also has a billion other things running in the background which probably doesn't help.

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#10  Edited By Mesome713
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This shitty dev released one of the worst PC games ever made. You can’t make this shit up.

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#12  Edited By above_average
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@mesome713 said:

This shitty dev released one of the worst PC games ever made. You can’t make this shit up.

Runs flawlessly on PS5.

ND told you the specs you'd need to have a similar experience on PC. All you need is a 4080 with at least a Core i5 12600k and you're all set.

They literally gave showed you on their specs chart before release so you PC peasants were warned. PC is an open platform, it's not ND's fault if your shitty PC isn't capable of matching PS5's in a PS5 designed title.

If your preferred platform is PC, $hut up and upgrade.

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#13 Pedro
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OP still selling secret sauce. 😂

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#14 above_average
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@Pedro said:

OP still selling secret sauce. 😂

If the secret sauce keeps delivering, who are you to question it?

It's not like this is a lone scenario where PS5 has had surprising and impressive advantages over other platforms in other titles.

It's funny, every time you damage control with the "secret sauce" response, you're literally adding to the number of titles that PS5 has actually provided validity for this thing you're desperate to dismiss.

So, in response to your "secret sauce" response, I guess I'll you say, yeah...

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Another below average thread another fail.

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#16  Edited By firedrakes
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@latech84 said:

It is just a very bad port. it says nothing about the PC or the PS5 hardware. You are so weird. Most games run way better on a good PC, including several other Sony games. There is nothing special about the PS5 hardware. Stop being so weird, it is somewhat obnoxious.

Chief kiss response on it!

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#17  Edited By PC_Rocks
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You heard it folks, throw away your PCs. PS5 has a technology not available on PC because Cerny designed it in his top secret lab and is refusing to share it with PC.

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Are you really going after DF because of a bad PC port? The fanboy brain is something special…

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#19 PCLover1980
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Yet a technical masterpiece like RE4 runs almost flawlessly on PC. It's as if ND(yes, Naughty Dog) did a shitty job with optimization as opposed to the PS5 being technically superior.

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#21 gotgames
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Meanwhile CyberPunk still can’t run properly on last gen console, people gave CD project free pass

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#23  Edited By PCLover1980
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@girlusocrazy: Same on consoles. Nothing is perfect on all platforms.

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#24 Zero_epyon
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I don't get why people are claiming that PC's are at fault here. This is a bad port of a console game. Are we gonna act like there haven't been bad ports on consoles?

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#25 R4gn4r0k
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This is the fastest port Sony has done and it shows.

Meanwhile Returnal launch a month before this and runs fine, I played it until completion with no perfomance hitches.

The next Sony port will no doubtedly run fine too, especially if it's being handled by Nixxes.

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#27 Zero_epyon
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@girlusocrazy said:
@Zero_epyon said:

I don't get why people are claiming that PC's are at fault here. This is a bad port of a console game. Are we gonna act like there haven't been bad ports on consoles?

Of course the hardware is not at fault. It does what it's supposed to. But no software is bug free, only reasonably so. On PC it is russian roulette. Nobody will ever know because of infinite hardware/software configurations. No platform holder to say a release is not good enough. Even testing is russian roulette. You don't know if it will trigger the exact case that will happen in home use.

It's safe to say that software development becomes easier when the targeted hardware range is more consistent.

Have you ever worked with government certified software that runs on a PC? Or worked in some scientific capacity where you are required to use specialized equipment, or enter data securely? It's an extremely controlled environment for a reason. Nothing can go wrong. And the only way to do that is to keep that original Pentium 60MHz with 16MB of RAM running Windows 98 (reboot after 49 days of uptime!), keep it behind a firewall and only allow remote access, and never update anything.

This would be a super solid argument had it not been for the fact that we already had a few ND games on PC already that were good ports. This has little to do with how the hardware works and more to do with the code not working the way it was intended. Software bugs are hardware agnostic in most cases and the fault is squarely on ND or whoever did the port. This could very well have happened on any other platform.

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#28  Edited By Mesome713
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@Zero_epyon: This is just a shitty dev releasing a shitty PC game. If theyre smart, theyll never buy from this company again. This is ranked one of the worst PC games released in a very long time.

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#29 DaVillain  Moderator
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I've been enjoying playing TLOU on PC for almost a week and I did run into a few problems here and there but nothing major game crashing.

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Imagine making such a cringe OP over a bad port that ND fucked up.

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#33 Archangel3371
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Jesus. This thread is definitely a special kind of stupid. 😅

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#34 hardwenzen
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Sony's technonology can't be mimicked. Your 4090 ain't gonna help you. Sorry.

If you want to experience Sony's gaming, you must buy a ps5, and be one of the 40M ps5 owners.

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@randy_lahey: How about you calm down and try to avoid using the c-word next time?

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#38 Howmakewood
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@girlusocrazy said:

@Zero_epyon: That's the nature of it though... Maybe those games just didn't happen to do that one thing that trigger whatever issues. Iron Galaxy also did Uncharted Collection on PC and that was well received, only problem users had was crying about no AVX2 but that isn't a bug.

wait what, not familiar with the port, are they crying that it doesn't use avx2 or that it does and their relic cpu doesnt support the instruction set? Either way that's dumb lol

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#39 Howmakewood
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Most likely why the reason ND wanted to do this in-house is that they plan on doing their upcoming pc releases themselves as well(like upcoming factions), so this is a learning experience for them.

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#41 Archangel3371
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@girlusocrazy: Yep, stupid is expected here. What I’m saying is that this thread is a “special kind of stupid”. 😉

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#42  Edited By Qui-Gon-Milk
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Sony gives us PC players this port of The Last of Us and then cries when they think Microsoft is going to give them an inferior version of Call of Duty 😂

Also, that secret sauce sure did help with Resident Evil 4 looking like dogshit 👀

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#43  Edited By LAtech84  Online
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@above_average said:
@latech84 said:

It is just a very bad port. it says nothing about the PC or the PS5 hardware. You are so weird. Most games run way better on a good PC, including several other Sony games. There is nothing special about the PS5 hardware. Stop being so weird, it is somewhat obnoxious.

Say it again, this time without tears in your eyes.

So speaking the simple truth is having tears in my eyes? You really are special.

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#44 Pedro
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@above_average said:

If the secret sauce keeps delivering, who are you to question it?

It's not like this is a lone scenario where PS5 has had surprising and impressive advantages over other platforms in other titles.

It's funny, every time you damage control with the "secret sauce" response, you're literally adding to the number of titles that PS5 has actually provided validity for this thing you're desperate to dismiss.

So, in response to your "secret sauce" response, I guess I'll you say, yeah...

It is funny when you are dead silent the numerous times PS5 is outclassed but I do enjoy how parade your ignorance. Very comical indeed. 😂 Always remember that if you believe weaker hardware is stronger than stronger hardware, you are an idiot.😌

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#45 Gifford38
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@qui-gon-milk said:

Sony gives us PC players this port of The Last of Us and then cries when they think Microsoft is going to give them an inferior version of Call of Duty 😂

Also, that secret sauce sure did help with Resident Evil 4 looking like dogshit 👀

so how does res 4 look like dog shit on ps5? what graphically changes is there between series x and ps5 or pc?

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#46 Pedro
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@gifford38 said:
@qui-gon-milk said:

Sony gives us PC players this port of The Last of Us and then cries when they think Microsoft is going to give them an inferior version of Call of Duty 😂

Also, that secret sauce sure did help with Resident Evil 4 looking like dogshit 👀

so how does res 4 look like dog shit on ps5? what graphically changes is there between series x and ps5 or pc?

It is blurry to normal eyes but super high fidelity with fanboy eyes. So, I understand why you are not seeing the blur.😌

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@girlusocrazy said:

@howmakewood: No, potato box herms cried because it required it

outrageous to have less than a 10year old cpu lol(haswell -> supports avx2)

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#49 lamprey263
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I'm surprised they took a week to get anything out on this. If it had been perfect we would have two or three different videos from them by now. It's like they were hoping they could attend to it once a hot patch fixed it enough to make a video showering it with flowery praise. But, I think they knew even that would look suspect so we finally released something.

Seems most gaming news outlets are holding out for a state they can slap a better score onto it. Otherwise they'd have reviews for it. And they don't take much time to do port reviews, GameSpot gave Nier Automata a 9/10 on Switch after spending only an hour on it. So, that's quite peculiar, regardless of whether Sony sent out review codes or not.

Starting to look like gaming journalists are putting their thumbs on the scale for Sony. Not surprising for GameSpot as they delayed reviews to Street Fightsr 5 and Gran Turismo until the game was in a better state to score those. No other publisher gets such beneficial deference.

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The absolute state of PC gaming