Did MS show its superior technical knowledge at E3?

Microsoft has been making operating systems since the eighties and they've been a mastodont in in operating systems since windows for workstations and server platforms. They've also been the leading software company for office, multimedia and programming applications.

With directx they've pretty much set the bar for 3D gaming in the nineties.

At E3, apart from making the system backwards compatible with their previous console ( that had a whole other architecture) they also showed a demo of the hololens with minecraft which blew me out of my socks.

To me E3 showed again how much further microsoft is in terms of technical know-how in comparison with nintendo and sony, and how easily they can recover from past management mistakes.

What do you think?

For those who haven't seen it , this was the hololens demo

i think Hololens has no use in gaming for now.

Plus the backlash for the Xbone is not the fault of what they said they where gonna do , but more what they didn't say and not gonna do.

I don't think their tech knowledge matters anymore for the Xbox One, it will matter for Windows 10 on PC. Xbox One was a disaster coming out of the gates and the only way to rescue it is to load it up with exclusives and they are doing that, then giving them to PC basically telling everyone if you have a PC you don't need to ever buy an Xbox One.

So basically they're pretty fucking dumb.

Thing is, the thing to make Hololens take off like crack-cocaine needs to be developed by a third party, and that one thing to guarantee it's dominance on VR and quasi-VR is some kind of virtual adult entertainment title, like a virtual strip club with virtual lap dances or virtual roman orgy. Porn could be the deciding factor in the VR wars. Worked for VHS dominance over Betamax.

This is why I am glad Nadella is in charge of MS. He is actually an engineer and not a dancing monkey businessman just trying to make a profit like Ballmer was. MS is now taking advantage of their financial wealth.

you got a good point there, but this thing has a lot more applications than porn. Besides, there's not another hololens.

It really isn't talked about but I really liked the Xbox Game Preiview program. Try and or buy a game in the development phase much like PC games on steam. Win.

no

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Yoshida disagrees with you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06kqurhaA2s

how cannot it not have use in gaming, you could have a boxing match in your living room, turn your sofa into a fighter jet or even run around commando style in your backyard.

The possiblilities are endless

This

Read the bold.

And all your point can be put to the Kinect.

If you want Hololens to enter gaming it needs to find its own genre 1st.

The boxing needs feed back.

Dogfight is something that might work.

I'm not that secure with myself to go in my yard with a headgear and not knowing who is watching me.

Why the hell did anyone in their right mind decide that framerate was acceptable.

@ProtossX: Beta....it's in beta.

@Gatman32: Maybe it should be back in alpha, 10 fps is unplayable should have waited on announcements till itS ready to beta test and supports all our 360 games, otherwise it was just to sell systems off a promise.

Hologram looks pretty sick, but on Minecraft? (not a minecraft fan) I will like to see it to use on some hard core game first!!

MS showed their superior technical knowledge at E3 2013.

Hololens looks impressive. Now it's a matter of convincing people to buy it. I think instead of mine craft at the main showing, they should've shown the halo 5 use of Hololens. I think THAT was much more impressive and immersive.

They're both different. Like, it's really sweet, but it's a different beast compared to VR.

I think using Halo would have left room for error. This version of Minecraft was built for Hololens. When the demonstrator was able to look inside of the tower, the audience was pretty much sold.

@draign: Idk, I think having multiple on stage and to see them all in Spartan armor would've been pretty cool. But I see your point where such a thing has a higher possibility for errors.

'disaster out of the gates'

'selling faster than the 360 did with overall sales still ahead of the 360 in the same time frame'

Pick one

And yet the PS4 is slaughtering it in sales because MS fucked up the launch so badly. It doesn't help that nearly all multiplats are inferior as well. They need exclusives and they seem to be working hard to get them but then they're putting them out on PC as well which is just plain retarded really.

There will soon be literally no reason at all to buy an Xbox One apart from Halo, assuming they don't port all those to PC as well.

Microsoft will always be ahead of the other Console manufacturers as far as Technology is concerned thats what Microsoft does, they invented the first integrated Browser for the internet and there Cloud infrastructure is considered to be the best.

the problem is there technology is not always great for gaming, Gaming is entertainment and thats where both SONY and Nintendo have the Edge on Microsoft because they are Entertainment Companies, they make the games then Build tech that fits in with the games, Microsoft Create a Device and then Tailor the games for the Device, SONY and Nintendo think about how the tech will help the games, Microsoft think about how the games will help the tech which is kinda the wrong philosophy as far as gaming is concerned.

The Tech should revolve around the games not the other way around.

Microsoft will always be ahead of the other Console manufacturers as far as Technology is concerned thats what Microsoft does, they invented the first integrated Browser for the internet and there Cloud infrastructure is considered to be the best.

the Ps4 is the Exception , not the rule, you are saying the Xbone is a disaster because it is not outselling the Fastest selling console of ALL time.

'Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

'MS fucked up the launch so badly'

Yet it has higher overall sales than the 360 did in the same time frame and sold twice as many at launch, Yes they effed up there launch message but it doesn't seem to have had the disastrous effect that people predicted, it's selling as well as any previous console did at this point in it's life.

So yes, i agree they effed up the launch but that didn't translate into the Xbone being a disaster out of the gates.

and the Ps4 is roughly 10-11 million units ahead, the PS3 was in the same position against the 360 at one point but it didn't stop the Ps3 being a great console and doing really well in the end.

I don't think you really get where I'm coming from here. I know it's selling well comparatively but they lost so much ground to Sony because of their horrible launch that made half the entire gaming community in the world hate them.

So, they started off badly, recovered to a large degree and now are sending their Xbox One exclusives to PC which to me is just so stupid I can't even get my head around how they had a meeting and decided this was a great idea.

This comes from the perspective of someone who owns a good PC, PS4 and Xbox One and apart from Halo I haven't touched my X1 AT ALL and that won't change much if they keep sending their exclusives to PC. It's moronic no matter how you look at it.

There are lots of games on the way that I can ONLY play on PS4, pretty much zilch on Xbox One that won't be later ported to PC. It's a problem and it makes me think they are cutting their losses on X1 and just letting it run its course.

MS has the finances to push gaming to another level, we should take advantage. Ive only seen Nintendo and MS try to do innovative things this generation and the last. Where is Sony going? Last I checked, everyone is putting out a VR headset.

Microsoft understands that PC gamers and console gamers generally fall into 2 different Demographics, you are a die hard gamer who owns all systems, you are also the exception and not the rule, most Gamers like myself Could not afford to own all 4 systems because we have other responsibilities like children to feed and bills to pay, there are people out there who will buy an Xbone for games like Halo, Forza and gears because they simply CANNOT afford a Rig that can play these games at even the same setting as they are on the Xbone.

The only people i know who own multiple systems are on this board, this board is not a reflection of the majority of gamers, it's only the die hard that come here.

Most of the people i know who own Consoles just are not interested in talking about games and Hardware at all they just bought there consoles to play Fifa or Call of duty with there mates, they are not as into it as you and i and that is what MS is playing on, the ignorance of your average gamer on the street who isn't as well informed or invested in gaming as we are.

The truth is that half of your average gamers Probably wouldn't even know the game was also available on the PC and the other half just don't care.

Bottom line, it's just cheaper to play these games on Console and we can trade games in for new ones or even trade in consoles for new ones, a business model not really supported on the PC.

To your average bloke on the Streets Cost is a huge issue which is another, although small reason, why the PS4 had a better launch, the price difference was an Extra game on the Ps4 and that means the world to someone like me.

The fat that MS effed up there launch so badly and got away with it is proof of what i am saying, most of your average gamers where not even Aware of what Microsofts message was before launch.

This is why i am proud of who WE are, we take or time to learn everything we can about our favorite hobbie, we hang out here and we keep ourselves informed.

Well i have a good pc as well , well most of the time anyway, i haven't upgraded lately because i'm playing on my xboxone all the time.

I can understand a lot of people preferred a ps4 over the xboxone because of that bigger graphics card but i had so much fun with the 360 that i choose microsoft again. I know it has weaker hardwre but I mean why on earth would i chose a console over hardware when I know how to build a pc.

The hardware race was over the moment the 8800 gtx released and slaughtered the one month old ps3 's graphics card. I mean this time they really tried. They sold us consoles with top end hardware and seconds later it got bested again. EVen worse, the 8800 gtx simply doubled the performance.

When a game like crysis released it became very obvious that consoles were never going to be able to keep up with pc's.

The ps4 may be the best selling console of all time, but don't forget population grows all the time and gamers as well , there are more and more gamers. A lot of those new gamers and gamers that are not very well informed choose blindly a ps 4 because they see 50 percent more gpu power, but that simply isn't true. IT's less and the xboxone has some advantages too. like better network service, a different controller , different exclusives and better at multimedia.

Windows 10 on the x1 will only amplify the latter. IF microsoft pushes it as far as pc's running the xbox app and people are able to play and chat with xboxone users, yeah well that's exactly what i mean with microsofts technical superiority. IF microsoft really want it they push sony out of this market. But they have other business as well, not to mention that making profit is more important than beating sony.

Microsoft could easily make a super console and leave sony in the dust but the proftit would probably be less because of production costs, and that's simply not how companies think. But microsoft is in a whole other league than sony, it will become more apparent it the coming years.

@delta3074: I have a feeling Xbox One has already fallen behind 360 now. It sure as Hell won't be selling 80 million.

No offence but your post highlights completely why modern gamers care more about the companies that make their games than actual games. I couldn't give a flying **** what Microsoft's strategy is. All I know is I have an Xbox One that is gathering dust and a PS4 that gets a lot of use.

I don't care what hardware they 'could' make I care about what's out there and I bought an Xbox One thinking it would have its own exclusives just like the PS4 but MS is now telling me I was a complete asshat to buy an Xbox One when I already have a PC.

I previously thought the two had their own exclusives but MS are now saying we are so far behind the PS4 we are just going to dump all our exclusives on to the PC and lie to everyone and pretend we were behind PC as a gaming platform all along.

This is MS who have been the worst thing to happen to PC gaming FOREVER but now the X1 lags behind PS4 they decide they like it and flip the finger to everyone who bought an X1.

What games do you think Microsoft's 'super console' is going to have that won't be on PC?

@commander: I think MS bought over the company that made holo lens.

Hololens is ridiculous. As a gaming peripheral it's next to useless, but as a productivity tool it's absolutely groundbreaking. CAD design changed basically overnight with Hololens and that's just one example.

Hololens is going to cost $500+ easily when it finally is consumer ready. They are trying to show off the gaming applications with it, but nobody is going to buy a $500+ gimmick. So as a gaming thing it's just not going to matter.

@magicalclick:

Thanks for the correction and true.

That wont come to home console quite like that.

Thing is, they have invited a lot of OEM's to use their HoloLens tech, especially Google and Oculus. Also, their primary target for HoloLens is more towards Enterprise than gaming.

Hololens is very cool and innovative, but as already said it's just not practical because of entry price. It'll be great to put a virtual monopoly board on a coffee table tho.

Hololens is useless for any game that isn't a sandbox building simulator. I can only see it being useful for Minecraft, Simcity, Cities: Skylines and maybe even Civilization.

For any of the other more mainstream games around, it's next to useless. And this is where we musn't get too caught up by the tech. The tech is impressive, but the function is rather irrelevant to us

@blueinheaven:

You got this all wrong, I don't buy an xboxone just because i like ms lol. I prefer the xboxone exclusives Mostly I play fifa ultimate team, the xboxone version has exlusive legendary players, that have a street value of hundreds of dollars. Pele for instance will cost you about 1500$ the first 6 months the game is released.

So for a lot of fifa ultimate team players this is pretty important and they will certainly not play this on playstation. They will also not play it on the pc, since fifa legends are xbox only.

You can say yeah but that's just fifa. but fifa generates more money than any game , even call of duty. It even generates more money than call of duty and battlefield combined (2.2 billion last year) This may not be that important in usa, but it is in europe, because soccer is very popular in europa.

I also don't care for sony's exclusives and i like party chat, something that was only on x360, i heard it's on the ps4 too but why change if all my friends are on the xboxone. I also really dislike sony's controller.

So I don't care at all about the ps4, i never even considered buying one, maybe i will someday but i don't see a reason for that. There's nothing wrong with you liking the ps4 better but you cannot say that the xboxone doesn't have any exclusives. Even if they come to the pc as well, those pc's still run microsoft windows. So basically you're paying them either way. Besides fifa legends aren't on the pc either.

And pc's will always be pc's , it will never have the plug and play feaatures of a console. There are also console specific games, games that aren't released for the pc but only for consoles.

Last but not least, price, building a pc that can manage the xboxone performance will not be your standard pc, it still needs a graphics card that can cope these games and those kind of pc's, prebuild don't come as cheap as an xboxone. You can build one for sure, but building pc's is not something that anyone can and/or is willing to do.

Hololens has more application outside of gaming especially the manufacturing industry or architecture.