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#1 EvanTheGamer
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-making-of-crysis-2

Well well well, looks like more of what we've been saying for years.

No more excuses PC Gamers, you guys are holding back your own platform.

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Oh No this will not end well.:x

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#4 edidili
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That's obvious dude. Not only PC gamers though. PS3 players can't support it and neither can the 360 players. No multimillion project can afford it to stay exlusive. The only way is to get paid from Sony, M$ and nobody is paying to remain PC exclusive.

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#5 heretrix
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Oh boy. :shock:

I disagree. You just aren't doing it right.

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#6 Secret-Face
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Oh no! If Crytek says it then it must be true! :o
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#7 cainetao11
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PC gaming will never die, but it isnt the pop culture gaming choice it seems. There are millions of PC gamers, but with it there is a level of up keep that many arent interested in undertaking. And there not wrong for it. People are entitled to their entertainment without being passionate, gaming fans. Consoles serve that purpose. It seems there are more of these game fans than the passionate gamers. Not developing for consoles isnt going to miraculously make them PC gamers. So sales would take a big hit, and how does that move an industry forward?
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Instead of consolizing multiplats, make the game for PC first and foremost then give the consoles the sloppy seconds. Problem solved.

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Oh no, they will have to lower their budget and use creativity D:

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#11 Batang_X990
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is this really valid if this is the first major release they have for consoles prior to being a pc-centric developer? do you think they'll feel the same way 3-5 years from now? other major pc devs, who also releases console games, like valve, dice and bioware never make such claims and they've been doing console games for years.
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Wow. You guys are really out in full force this weekend.
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#13 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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No game needs tens of millions of dollars for a budget on any platform.
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#14 SkyWard20
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And here in this thread we see Crytek, a multi-million dollar company, get 'refuted' by hermits who know best how much their games perform sales-wise.

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#15 SkyWard20
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Oh no, they will have to lower their budget and use creativity D:

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Oh no, they made a game with which PC gamers bragged endlessly for 3-4 years, and now they suck!! D:
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This is going to be lol worthy after a while.

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#17 GeneralShowzer
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No game needs tens of millions of dollars for a budget on any platform.Stevo_the_gamer
Well Crysis was the most expensive PC game ever made, but that's because they made the most advanced engine ever made along with it. The Witcher 2 costs 8 million to make. That's not much, they would get their budget back if they sold like 400.000 copies. If they want to bring it to consoles however it would cost a lot more money.
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They are probably rigt. But I don't think even the 360/PS3/Wii can even afford a large budget exclusive. The difference from the consoles and PC is that the Console devs can take a chance since they are backed by a billion dollar company.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]No game needs tens of millions of dollars for a budget on any platform.GeneralShowzer
Well Crysis was the most expensive PC game ever made, but that's because they made the most advanced engine ever made along with it. The Witcher 2 costs 8 million to make. That's not much, they would get their budget back if they sold like 400.000 copies. If they want to bring it to consoles however it would cost a lot more money.

But they'd also make a lot more money
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#20 edidili
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They are probably rigt. But I don't think even the 360/PS3/Wii can even afford a large budget exclusive. The difference from the consoles and PC is that the Console devs can take a chance since they are backed by a billion dollar company.

AmayaPapaya

This is what many fail to understand. Making a multimillion game only for PC is a huge risk because there is no MS/sony to back you up. Even in one of the consoles no one can afford to remain exclusive. As the budget of games increase we'll see more and more multiplats.

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#21 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]No game needs tens of millions of dollars for a budget on any platform.gmaster456
Well Crysis was the most expensive PC game ever made, but that's because they made the most advanced engine ever made along with it. The Witcher 2 costs 8 million to make. That's not much, they would get their budget back if they sold like 400.000 copies. If they want to bring it to consoles however it would cost a lot more money.

But they'd also make a lot more money

Like Crytek made a ****load of money with Crysis 2 amirite?
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-making-of-crysis-2

Well well well, looks like more of what we've been saying for years.

No more excuses PC Gamers, you guys are holding back your own platform.

EvanTheGamer

I've said that countless times before. Crysis 2 is your fault, PC elitists. It's clearly stated in that article by Crytek that the PC alone can't back up a venture such as Crysis 2, let alone support another graphical leap such as the original Crysis. Spit and hiss all you want, but this is the truth.

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#23 Sandvichman
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I dont see why people are getting angry for him stating the truth. :question:

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#24 GeneralShowzer
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I dont see why people are getting angry for him stating the truth. :question:

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Like the Dice interview ?
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Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

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#26 cainetao11
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I dont see why people are getting angry for him stating the truth. :question:

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For many the truth that contradicts their own beliefs, hurts.
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#27 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

I dont see why people are getting angry for him stating the truth. :question:

GeneralShowzer
Like the Dice interview ?

exactly
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#28 VanDammFan
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Instead of consolizing multiplats, make the game for PC first and foremost then give the consoles the sloppy seconds. Problem solved.

Crossel777

And leave out the core audience? YOu do know more people play on consoles more than PC right?? No matter what "piegraph" is shown or clipping from some website stating PC gaming is more popular..ITS NOT..Console is where gaming took off and that is where it will end..PC can do a lot..BUT it wont take down consoles any time soon..

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#30 ironman388
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didnt crysis 1 sell like 5 million copies? that's more than crysis 2 will ever sell even if its on all platforms

edit: also to guy above me, basically only americans play consoles and the japanese dont play american/european games to often compared to japanese games. the rest of the world plays PC games, especially europe

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Well Crysis was the most expensive PC game ever made, but that's because they made the most advanced engine ever made along with it. The Witcher 2 costs 8 million to make. That's not much, they would get their budget back if they sold like 400.000 copies. If they want to bring it to consoles however it would cost a lot more money.

But they'd also make a lot more money

Like Crytek made a ****load of money with Crysis 2 amirite?

You're right. More than Crysis 1 did at this time.
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-making-of-crysis-2

Well well well, looks like more of what we've been saying for years.

No more excuses PC Gamers, you guys are holding back your own platform.

SkyWard20

I've said that countless times before. Crysis 2 is your fault, PC elitists. It's clearly stated in that article by Crytek that the PC alone can't back up a venture such as Crysis 2, let alone support another graphical leap such as the original Crysis. Spit and hiss all you want, but this is the truth.

How many units did Crysis sell? I'm sure they covered their costs (if they went a heavy dd route, they could make more money), and how did they manage 22m for Crysis anyway, is copy pasting palm trees and using terragen so hard?

The real reason, is they just want More money :).
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#33 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="gmaster456"] But they'd also make a lot more money

Like Crytek made a ****load of money with Crysis 2 amirite?

You're right. More than Crysis 1 did at this time.

Nope. Crysis 2 had a lot bigger production and marketing. They would need a lot more just to break even.
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Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

Vesica_Prime

Blizzard has WoW.

This is true for any platform. Exclusives can't compete in budgets with multiplatform games. Unless it's a MMO.

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Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

Vesica_Prime
OH YES Blizzard and VALVE. Clearly if they can be SO successful -- two companies that never pushed the technical boundaries of games like Crysis did -- CLEARLY everyone else can do JUST as well.
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#36 Vesica_Prime
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Blizzard has WoW.

This is true for any platform. Exclusives can't compete in budgets with multiplatform games. Unless it's a MMO.

Icarian

And Starcraft and Diablo.

OH YES Blizzard and VALVE. Clearly if they can be SO successful -- two companies that never pushed the technical boundaries of games like Crysis did -- CLEARLY everyone else can do JUST as well.SkyWard20

Strawman, we arguing about the topic of "PC gamers don't buy games enough to justify large budget exclusives" not "Who has the best technical graphics."

Go back to saying Minecraft is a piece of communist propaganda.

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#37 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

SkyWard20
OH YES Blizzard and VALVE. Clearly if they can be SO successful -- two companies that never pushed the technical boundaries of games like Crysis did -- CLEARLY everyone else can do JUST as well.

That's the same logic Crytek is using. COD and Halo can sell so much on consoles , so can WE.
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"If making a game that is bigger, better, more stable, performs better across a wider range of hardware, provides a continued visual benchmark for PC gaming, and more fun with a huge single-player and multiplayer offering is considered selling out, that seems like a really odd application of the phrase. The decision to go multi-platform has allowed us to bring a better game to everyone, which has been our goal all along."

Yerli

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Well Crysis was the most expensive PC game ever made, but that's because they made the most advanced engine ever made along with it. The Witcher 2 costs 8 million to make. That's not much, they would get their budget back if they sold like 400.000 copies. If they want to bring it to consoles however it would cost a lot more money.

But they'd also make a lot more money

Like Crytek made a ****load of money with Crysis 2 amirite?

They have nobody to blame but themselves for that. It has nothing to do with the platforms it was on. It was just a mediocre game that performed poorly on consoles.
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DICE seem to disagree. Blizzard and Valve are probably having a good laugh as well.
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[QUOTE="Yerli"]

"If making a game that is bigger, better, more stable, performs better across a wider range of hardware, provides a continued visual benchmark for PC gaming, and more fun with a huge single-player and multiplayer offering is considered selling out, that seems like a really odd application of the phrase. The decision to go multi-platform has allowed us to bring a better game to everyone, which has been our goal all along."

Masculus

They failed at their goal.

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[QUOTE="Icarian"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

Vesica_Prime

Blizzard has WoW.

This is true for any platform. Exclusives can't compete in budgets with multiplatform games. Unless it's a MMO.

And Starcraft and Diablo.

But WoW brings them money constantly and they can use that money to make Starcraft and Diablo. Even if SC or Diablo would financially flop, they can still fall back to Wow. Also Blizz games launch prices are higher than normal PC game prices. I'm waiting when more PC devs will follow.

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Sounds like Crytek is whining because they dropped the ball.

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#44 Arach666
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Crytek is funny,but when they see their game selling less on three platforms than the first two only the PC they´ll probably understand that they screwed up their priorities and the greedyness has led them to nowhere.

Meanwhile,Blizzard keeps making millions.

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#45 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="gmaster456"] But they'd also make a lot more moneygmaster456
Like Crytek made a ****load of money with Crysis 2 amirite?

They have nobody to blame but themselves for that. It has nothing to do with the platforms it was on. It was just a mediocre game that performed poorly on consoles.

No it wasn't. It was a good reviewed big game with huge marketing campaign. The best looking game on consoles.

With your logic it should have moved millions by now. But see, that's not the truth.

Bulletstorm will struggle to break 1 million and so will Killzone 3

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But WoW brings them money constantly and they can use that money to make Starcraft and Diablo. Even if SC or Diablo would financially flop, they can still fall back to Wow. Also Blizz games launch prices are higher than normal PC game prices. I'm waiting when more PC devs will follow.

Icarian

hjhjh

Really? 11 million sales is a financial flop?!

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Let's be honest with ourselves. Crytek is in the buisness of licensing out their engine. Their engine was PC-only at the time and very expensive, not many PC-exclusive developers are gonna blow money on that engine. Crytek knew more people would be interested if their engine ran on consoles so they created a list of petty excuses after Crysis sold 3 million copies, which is a lot more than most games in general (including consoles) sell, so they could justify the move toward consoles, which was never really a move toward it. They just wanted to expand their engine so more people license it. Why else do you think every other video they release is a game engine video?

Either side can fall for this petty crap if they want to, but that's the obvious truth.

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That explains WoW, StarCraft II, TOR...
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Funny how Crysis has sold over 4.5 million then, according to Crytek thats bad for a game that had its sales held held back by Vista promotion, high system requirements and GFWL ( or shall we just say Microsoft for those last two? ). How much did Alan Wake sell again? That from Crytek is just an excuse to take exclusives multi-platform to try and make more money on licencing their engine to other developers. But yeah piracy is only effecting PC gaming right? Thats why Portal 2, OFP Red River and Mortal Combat are already on torrent sites FOR CONSOLES right now and NOT for the PC.

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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Whatever you say Crytek, while you're dumbing down games. Blizzard is buying their thousandth yacht due to money made exclusively from PC gaming.

inb4blizzardisoverrated.

SkyWard20

OH YES Blizzard and VALVE. Clearly if they can be SO successful -- two companies that never pushed the technical boundaries of games like Crysis did -- CLEARLY everyone else can do JUST as well.

Good point. I also like how Starcraft 2 was mentioned.

Im also aware Diablo 3 is coming too.

Probably all good games, but so little of them. Why can't Blizzard and Valve have more variety? Why do PC Gamers love to be milked such as TF2 hats?

Oh well, PC Gamers no more excuses, stop being hypocrits.