Could Black Ops become the biggest flop of the generation...?

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#1 misiufraggle
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We've all read about the stuff happening within Activision these days. If you work somewhere like this, where people get stiffed on their bonuses, security guards man the doors, and there is a "hostile atmosphere", are you going to do your best work? Are you going to be motivated to "go the extra mile"? I don't think so.

I think there is a real risk that Black Ops is going to be full of flaws and flop hard as a result.

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#2 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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We've all read about the stuff happening within Activision these days. If you work somewhere like this, where people get stiffed on their bonuses, security guards man the doors, and there is a "hostile atmosphere", are you going to do your best work? Are you going to be motivated to "go the extra mile"? I don't think so.

I think there is a real risk that Black Ops is going to be full of flaws and flop hard as a result.

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The game from a graphical standpoint looks like trash compared to MW2.
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#3 Raymundo_Manuel
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Treyarch is sticking it through to the end! Activision and Treyarch are bros on a deeper level than your average bro:P

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#5 tommyas
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MW2 was the biggest fail last year and they would have to work really hard to top that. I liked World at War much more than MW2 so Treyarch hasnt failed me. Yet.
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#6 mysterj
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Biggest flop was Too Human/Duke Nukem, can't get worse than those.
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#7 zbdyx
Member since 2007 • 2055 Posts
For it to flop, it needs a hype thread.
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#8 gamebreakerz__
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Even if Black Ops got a 1.0 it would sell 10 million+ copies.
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#9 Iantheone
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It wont flop. It will still be bought by the millions. Nothing we can do about it
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#10 BPoole96
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It doesn't matter since millions of people will just turn their head as Activision does whatever they want and buy every Call of Duty game that they get thrown at them

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#11 ZippySlappy
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I haven't seen a single Black Ops thread since E3. :( Not too much hype around this,eh.
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#12 tastetheacidmil
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wasent lair the biggest flop? digging thru old threads i cant belive people actually hyped this as AAA
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#13 JangoWuzHere
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I don't know why people keep bashing on this game....it looks great.

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#14 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="adamlovesu"][QUOTE="misiufraggle"]

We've all read about the stuff happening within Activision these days. If you work somewhere like this, where people get stiffed on their bonuses, security guards man the doors, and there is a "hostile atmosphere", are you going to do your best work? Are you going to be motivated to "go the extra mile"? I don't think so.

I think there is a real risk that Black Ops is going to be full of flaws and flop hard as a result.

it will flop to everyone who isnt blind.... if you have eyes and arent stupid you wouldnt support a company such as activision anymore.... whats with some gamers today? afraid of trying new things........ sad really. PEOPLE OPEN UP YOUR MINDS! get moh.

If its a good game, then it deserves to be played...
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#15 misiufraggle
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Ok, so to rephrase my original point: I think due to the allegedly poor working conditions and low morale throughout Activision departments, (I've read even people in Blizzard are unhappy) the games they are making are going to suffer. Black Ops could be a poor game as a result.

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#16 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Ok, so to rephrase my original point: I think due to the allegedly poor working conditions and low morale throughout Activision departments, (I've read even people in Blizzard are unhappy) the games they are making are going to suffer. Black Ops could be a poor game as a result.

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probably are getting threatened or blackmailed to make it a good game.
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#17 farnham
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[QUOTE="tommyas"]MW2 was the biggest fail last year and they would have to work really hard to top that. I liked World at War much more than MW2 so Treyarch hasnt failed me. Yet.

this i played waw on the wii on one sitting and was totally hooked cant say the same for MW2
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#18 DraugenCP
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Even if Black Ops got a 1.0 it would sell 10 million+ copies.gamebreakerz__

This pretty much. The reason why people like Kotick can say what they say is because they know that they could even sell 10 million boxed turds for $60 a piece.

And MW2 (and toan extent other CoD installments)showed how easily impressionable some reviewers are, as they always seem to focus on the bombastic presentation instead of the sometimes shallow gameplay.

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#19 AdrianWerner
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Treyarch is putting everything they got into it. During WaW's development the studio was working on 3 games at the same time, now all 200+ staff is working solely on Black Ops. Not motivated? Please, they got a chance to finally step out of Infinity Ward's shadow and they are more motivated than ever.

I'm not sure their game will be a masterpiece, but so far it looks far more promising than what IW delivered. Treyarch seems to respect gamers a lot, something I can't exactly say about Infinity Ward

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#20 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="misiufraggle"]

We've all read about the stuff happening within Activision these days. If you work somewhere like this, where people get stiffed on their bonuses, security guards man the doors, and there is a "hostile atmosphere", are you going to do your best work? Are you going to be motivated to "go the extra mile"? I don't think so.

I think there is a real risk that Black Ops is going to be full of flaws and flop hard as a result.

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The game from a graphical standpoint looks like trash compared to MW2.

Lol, that's funny because MW2 is trash compared to CoD4 and even WaW.
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#21 SaltyMeatballs
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I think it will be surprisingly good... considering how low my expectations are after MW2. Any flop would probably be due to Activision, online subscription anyone?
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#22 o0squishy0o
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I think alot of people I know atleast have had enough of COD and are looking forward to MOH and the bad company expansion.

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#23 Minishdriveby
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meh... I thought it looked pretty good, better than the other call of duty games; maybe it was just because the e3 demo was in the jungle and the foliage I thought looked really good. I mean it looked interesting but not something I would buy (same with the other games in the series). Anyway, I've played quick bursts of WaW's zombie mode at a friends house; I've never really supported the series. Everyone went crazy for MW2, and now are trying to hide it by saying the series is crap (that's my stand-point on the issue) even videogame critics. I feel like a lot of people who are saying the series is crap are going to buy the game anyway and it's going to get highly praised.
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#24 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]meh... I thought it looked pretty good, better than the other call of duty games; maybe it was just because the e3 demo was in the jungle and the foliage I thought looked really good. I mean it looked interesting but not something I would buy (same with the other games in the series). Anyway, I've played quick bursts of WaW's zombie mode at a friends house; I've never really supported the series. Everyone went crazy for MW2, and now are trying to hide it by saying the series is crap (that's my stand-point on the issue) even videogame critics. I feel like a lot of people who are saying the series is crap are going to buy the game anyway and it's going to get highly praised.

Eh, most of the people I've heard diss the game don't own it and never wanted it in the first place. I played it on Steam on the free weekend for like 3 hours. That's how I know it sucks.
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#25 hd5870corei7
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I believe that title goes to Haze, LAIR, Socom:Confrontation etc..
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#26 toxicmog
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Well guitar Hero is watering down in sales due to having one too many games, COD will see the same.
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#27 InsaneBasura
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I don't think it'll have much of an impact on Black Ops. 200 people are working on that game. Had been in development for ~18 months before this whole mess happened. And it didn't happen to them. Whatever IW is working on however...
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#28 Clank-PS-Snake
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It can't flop because it's not hyped it looked crap.
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#29 tehsystemwarior
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Nope. Treyarch is listening to the community on this one.
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#30 Buckledant
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Just because you would like it flop doesn't mean it will happen, sorry. While CoD might eventually decline I don't think it will start with this one.
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#31 hexashadow13
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Multiplayer will prolly be crap (as it has been since CoD4), but I've always liked the campaigns and that's all I played with MW2. I didn't like WaW's though so I don't know...
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#32 WhenCicadasCry
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Gran Turismo 5 would be a bigger flop.

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#33 Raiden004
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Its gonna get a 9.0 or 9.1 which is terrible and a humiliation to any gamer out there. :P

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#34 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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Frankly it already looks more interesting than MW2 and that is a good thing. After playing the MOH beta, I am sorely dissapointed by it.
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#35 tommyas
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[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="tommyas"]MW2 was the biggest fail last year and they would have to work really hard to top that. I liked World at War much more than MW2 so Treyarch hasnt failed me. Yet.

this i played waw on the wii on one sitting and was totally hooked cant say the same for MW2

I spent countless hours just in the zombie mode alone. Tbh if it werent for zombie maps, I wouldnt have touched the map packs at all. Multiplayer was much more balanced and more fun than MW2, by a mile. If Treyarch makes Black Ops" multiplayer similar to WaW"s with some tweaks that wont break the experience, add dedicated servers and maybe even zombies, then Im getting it for sure. But I cant trust reviews at all. I just read review at IGN for MW2 and its laughable to say the least.
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#36 SaltyMeatballs
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A flop is only as big as the hype.

I think they will fix multiplayer, also I think it will be like Reach (from what they're hinting). You'll be able to customise your character, not just your weapons. However unlike Halo there is no Red vs Blue so should hopefully each character is more unique that way.

If it's still a glitchfest and full of mega secondary weapons, I'll pass.

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#37 tommyas
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Gran Turismo 5 would be a bigger flop.

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#38 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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Even if it doesn't flop I'm not buying it because if I bought it then that would mean that I would be putting money in Bobby Kotick's pocket, which to me is like the 8th deadly sin. If it turns out to be extremely good and has none of the problems MW2 had (which is unlikely) then I will buy it used or rent it and see for myself.

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#39 killab2oo5
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Doubt it. Black Ops *looks* sick, and Treyarch has shaped themselves up well. I'm expecting AA at the least.
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We've all read about the stuff happening within Activision these days. If you work somewhere like this, where people get stiffed on their bonuses, security guards man the doors, and there is a "hostile atmosphere", are you going to do your best work? Are you going to be motivated to "go the extra mile"? I don't think so.

I think there is a real risk that Black Ops is going to be full of flaws and flop hard as a result.

misiufraggle

Mark my words it will be the next big thing. Kids prefer such things even though it is Mature rated. 3 millions copies minimum sale; mark my words.

Besides i am hyped if the online is good and maps are good. Glitches are ok to a puny extent. Just get noobtoobs to unlock at 1000 kills lol and no overpriced maps!

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#41 aaronmullan
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It looks quite bad if you ask me.
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#42 fueled-system
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Do I want it to flop because of Activision? Yes

Will it flop? Don't know, do the orioles have a chance at the playoffs?

The game will probably score 8.5 here like the last one. I don't think it would flop and even if it did it would not be the biggest

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#43 bokiloki
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Treyarch is putting everything they got into it. During WaW's development the studio was working on 3 games at the same time, now all 200+ staff is working solely on Black Ops. Not motivated? Please, they got a chance to finally step out of Infinity Ward's shadow and they are more motivated than ever.

I'm not sure their game will be a masterpiece, but so far it looks far more promising than what IW delivered. Treyarch seems to respect gamers a lot, something I can't exactly say about Infinity Ward

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this. this is treyarch's chance to finally jump over iw. waw was better than mw2, but they will have to deliver more this time. this studio is motivated so i wouldn't be suprised if black ops ends up being the best cod game thus far. and all the people who hate on cod here are going too far imo. the series is what it is. an arcade shooter with a coat of realism(guns, environments etc.), its not the best out there but its fun to pop in and play for an hour.

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#44 vashkey
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Lol, no. It's going to sell millions.
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#45 ALTAIR360
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I don't know why people keep bashing on this game....it looks great.

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its cool to bash a populair game u know. someone metioned MW was the biggest flop. well why are still millions of people playing it. some of these guys thinks sw= real life.
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#46 SamiRDuran
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Its made by treyarch which developed the best cod in the series WAW so no i doubt that.
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#47 RTUUMM
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I believe that title goes to Haze, LAIR, Socom:Confrontation etc..hd5870corei7
socom wasnt a flop, it just had a terrible start. overall the game was pretty good and has a great community
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#48 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]I believe that title goes to Haze, LAIR, Socom:Confrontation etc..RTUUMM
socom wasnt a flop, it just had a terrible start. overall the game was pretty good and has a great community

People paid $60 to play it at the start.
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#49 klusps
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It might just get an adverage or good score(8.0-9.0). Personally this might be the only COD game I might not even bother because I'm pretty much done with the COD franchise.

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#50 mlbslugger86
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that title will always be held by lair

and, call me a sheep or a sellout but im getting black ops simply because it looks crazy good

and i'm also getting medal of honor